RE: New BMW iX3 gets 286hp and 285-mile range

[alishutc]

MB140 said:

Now tell me the truthful range.

I recently watched Carwow test about 6 of these EV. The one closest to its actual claimed range was a a Hyundai I believe. Even that only got to about 85% of its claimed range being driven like there was egg shells under the accelerator.

It's not really "claimed" range, it's how much it does under a standard test cycle - which is all it can ever be given range varies so much according to driving conditions.

Still, yet another fugly SUV. At least they haven't stuck a stupid sloping "sporty" roofline on it so it seems like you do get some luggage space in this.

[MB140]

Reference range (both ICE and EV), it’s about time the manufacturer’s were forced to tell you the proper range. I believe for ICE then fuelly website uses people’s real world data so you can see more accurate figures.

Not checked but is there a site for EV (I’ve not checked fuelly).

I’m glad EVs are an option for people to buy. Just currently not for me. Give it another 5 years and I’m sure EVs will be closer to ICE in terms of usability for more people.

[TheOctaneAddict]

A solid Meh, it doesn't do anything remarkable.

[waftycranker]

So BMW are making 4wd saloons and 2wd 4x4’s? What is the sense in that? Rhetorical question so no need for anybody to answer.

This can be a 2wd because none will ever see anything more “gripped” or “sorted” than a campsite, and the saloons must be 4wd because 4 is more than 2. More must be better!

My word cars are dull these days.

But good point by the earlier post about 285 being enough for most people to do a weeks driving. I don’t often see that point of view as I do double that per week. It would be annoying for that occasional trip that is longer than that.

Anyway, back to the rock from under which I crawled............

[kambites]

MB140 said:

Not checked but is there a site for EV (I’ve not checked fuelly).

Many reviewers run "real world range tests", running the same route in every EV in as close as they can get to the same weather. It still doesn't give you a number though, unless you drive exactly the same route they do at the speed they do. Just another point of comparison between different EVs.

[Burwood]

TheOctaneAddict said:

A solid Meh, it doesn't do anything remarkable.

You can still get 100% deductible capital allowance via a company car with no BIK (almost). So if your company had 100k profits before tax it could pay 19k in CT or you buy a £65k EV and it pays 6.7k in CT.

[Wills2]

MB140 said:

Now tell me the truthful range.

I recently watched Carwow test about 6 of these EV. The one closest to its actual claimed range was a a Hyundai I believe. Even that only got to about 85% of its claimed range being driven like there was egg shells under the accelerator.

I think that very much depends on the driving usage and it appears to be the reverse of ICE cars, shorter low speed runs give a better range whilst cruising down the motorway at 70 mph hurts the potential range.

Harry's garage did a good review on the Ipace and discovered that as he only managed a real world range (leaving a sensible 30 mile reserve) of around 150 miles on a round to London and it was the motorway sections that did the damage.

[essayer]

waftycranker said:

My word cars are dull these days.

But good point by the earlier post about 285 being enough for most people to do a weeks driving. I don’t often see that point of view as I do double that per week. It would be annoying for that occasional trip that is longer than that...

5 hours charging overnight would cover your 600 miles a week and cost you <£2 per day

[thatdude]

I like it. It's just a normal car capable of normal things, without the normal emissions.

Wonder what its like on the inside - space for passengers, luggage etc.

[kambites]

thatdude said:

I like it. It's just a normal car capable of normal things, without the normal emissions.

It's a very expensive normal car capble of normal things without the emissions. Even by EV standards that's a hell of a price increase over the ICE versions of the same car.

[GroundEffect]

MB140 said:

Reference range (both ICE and EV), it’s about time the manufacturer’s were forced to tell you the proper range. I believe for ICE then fuelly website uses people’s real world data so you can see more accurate figures.

Not checked but is there a site for EV (I’ve not checked fuelly).

I’m glad EVs are an option for people to buy. Just currently not for me. Give it another 5 years and I’m sure EVs will be closer to ICE in terms of usability for more people.

Again it's all down to the homologation tests. A standard test for all. The WLTP cycle is much closer to "real" range than NEDC was. The US EPA cycle seems even closer.

[kambites]

One thing which does annoy me about the WLTP range figures which could easily be resolved, is that they don't seem to publish separate "urban" and "extra-urban" figures?

[Scootersp]

It would be interesting to see some consumption testing outside the norm.

Does the efficiency of EV's make them suffer more (relatively) in high drag scenarios?

What would one of these do at 85mph steady state on the motorway compared to 60mph

What happens to an ICE car maybe a 40mpg car (@65mph) does 30mpg (@85mph)? I know it'll suffer a fair drop in mpg,.

The old ICE car at around 50mph being the highest MPG sweetspot but in EV's is it likely to be 5mph or something very low? (again guessing here)


So I live a few hundred yards from a major dual carriageway A road, that leads straight to the M25, so how far would I get in this on that sort of trip i wonder? Also something like a gale force headwind could further reduce it?

An EV's range is only really relevant for long trips (if you do short ones and plug in each day it doesn't really matter) and so the range potential should mirror that ie 70mph solid state driving?

[kambites]

Scootersp said:

What would one of these do at 85mph steady state on the motorway compared to 60mph

EV efficiency is very high and very consistant across different loadings so steady-state consumption increases roughly with drag which is to say wiht the square of speed. Thus your range at 85 will be roughly half your range at 60.

[thatdude]

kambites said:

It's a very expensive normal car capble of normal things without the emissions. Even by EV standards that's a hell of a price increase over the ICE versions of the same car.

It's likely a BMW thing. Like you say, EV's are usually priced higher than their ICE equivalent, but BMW must feel they are proviing something even more special with this EV than usual. Still, I'm interested (but the EV in my purchasing sights at the moment is the Kia eNero)

[anonymous-user]

They can price it at whatever they want (within reason) as long as the tax savings work for the user/chooser and the company. The company car market will migrate very quickly to EVs except for those who genuinely need to travel several hundred miles a day.

[Numeric]

charltjr said:

They can price it at whatever they want (within reason) as long as the tax savings work for the user/chooser and the company. The company car market will migrate very quickly to EVs except for those who genuinely need to travel several hundred miles a day.

Have to agree and wonder if the % price premium will be as great in other markets where owner drivers will be the norm. Considering it is being built in what was a lower labour cost country, it might seem they are over milking it - a shame as with a lower price point they could become a heck of a contender. Seems greedy and may deeply dent sales, another Tesla gift.

I really liked the i3 look and ideal, but do understand why they have gone this route - it seemed to be very marmite, with people who 'got' it really liking it for its cleverness etc. but not enough. Audi had the same issue back in the day.

[Numeric]

kambites said:

Scootersp said:

What would one of these do at 85mph steady state on the motorway compared to 60mph

EV efficiency is very high and very consistant across different loadings so steady-state consumption increases roughly with drag which is to say wiht the square of speed. Thus your range at 85 will be roughly half your range at 60.

I would really like this explained further if you would be so kind - really interested but a bit poor at things like this so be great to learn.

[BFleming]

The pricing isn't confirmed, but as the base X3 has a list price of £41485, the £60000 mentioned in the comments sounds plausible. Expensive? Sure, but compare it to the competition if you're in the market for an all-electric SUV:
Audi eTron - £59900
Tesla Model X - £81990
Jaguar iPace - £64625
Mercedes EQC - £64925

Discounts will be there to be had as usual, and leases/PCPs will be inviting, which is what ultimately counts.

[pb8g09]

I don't really understand with all these EVs/Hybrids why they have to put all this crap trim, toy-car like wheels and space-age designs on all this stuff.

The market currently likes it's cars to look 'sporty' (even when they're not), so why doesn't this look like the X3M rather than a rental car spec?