Why can nobody overtake?
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James-m5qjf said:
I get just a frustrated as most people on here, but we do need to ask ourselves, what’s the rush?
It’s easier said than done but I do now try and apply the mantra of patience is a virtue... Our consumer driven on demand lives has probably done our driving temperament no favours.
It's not a question of rushing. If you come up behind another vehicle they are going slower than you, so you are now forced to go slower than you wish until you overtake then why would you not overtake if the opportunity is available? If the speed of the vehicle in front is a reasonable speed for you, then how did you catch up? A speed that was perfectly reasonable 2 minutes ago doesn't become 'rushing' just because someone else wanted to go slower.It’s easier said than done but I do now try and apply the mantra of patience is a virtue... Our consumer driven on demand lives has probably done our driving temperament no favours.
Dr Jekyll said:
James-m5qjf said:
I get just a frustrated as most people on here, but we do need to ask ourselves, what’s the rush?
It’s easier said than done but I do now try and apply the mantra of patience is a virtue... Our consumer driven on demand lives has probably done our driving temperament no favours.
It's not a question of rushing. If you come up behind another vehicle they are going slower than you, so you are now forced to go slower than you wish until you overtake then why would you not overtake if the opportunity is available? If the speed of the vehicle in front is a reasonable speed for you, then how did you catch up? A speed that was perfectly reasonable 2 minutes ago doesn't become 'rushing' just because someone else wanted to go slower.It’s easier said than done but I do now try and apply the mantra of patience is a virtue... Our consumer driven on demand lives has probably done our driving temperament no favours.
If i ever find out the identity of the Brake idiot who wrote this
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you
I would really question his ability on roadcraft
Overtaking is an art and years ago gaps used to be left so drivers who wanted to make progress could pass one at a time. Nowadays the 2 sec rule is now the 2 metre rule
I have a V70 and by golly you have to work out long in advance where it is safe length of road, cars approaching and going like s
t once you have committed yourself but the 50=70 time isn't that sluggish
Roadcraft should be a compulsory read
Yep drivers from about the 1990s have been taught to pass the test and thats it, on to the next cash cow ( or bull!!)
I back in the 1963 was taught to DRIVE and i chose my lads instructor on the same basis. checked out a few before settling on him. We both make progress where it is safe and appropriate
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you
I would really question his ability on roadcraft
Overtaking is an art and years ago gaps used to be left so drivers who wanted to make progress could pass one at a time. Nowadays the 2 sec rule is now the 2 metre rule
I have a V70 and by golly you have to work out long in advance where it is safe length of road, cars approaching and going like s
t once you have committed yourself but the 50=70 time isn't that sluggishRoadcraft should be a compulsory read
Yep drivers from about the 1990s have been taught to pass the test and thats it, on to the next cash cow ( or bull!!)
I back in the 1963 was taught to DRIVE and i chose my lads instructor on the same basis. checked out a few before settling on him. We both make progress where it is safe and appropriate
I never understand the slower driver, say doing 50mph on a NSL A road, who will then speed up to 60+ when you appear behind them. It is evident they are uncomfortable with the pace as their driving becomes erratic. It seems that if you drop back, they slow down back to 50, but then go back up to an uncomfortable pace when you try to position for an overtake.
I've never had someone move over to block me on an overtake, but certainly people who accelerate once it is evident that I am committed.
When someone "pressing on" appears in my rearview mirror my usual response is to slow down a tad, and always lift off a bit if they then overtake. My rationale is I want them safely past me asap as I and my pax are at risk too.
My commute is all flowing A road, a joy to drive empty. My nightmare commute is a lorry with 2-3 people behind unwilling to overtake themselves but as other posters have described, unwilling to let you progress either.
I've never had someone move over to block me on an overtake, but certainly people who accelerate once it is evident that I am committed.
When someone "pressing on" appears in my rearview mirror my usual response is to slow down a tad, and always lift off a bit if they then overtake. My rationale is I want them safely past me asap as I and my pax are at risk too.
My commute is all flowing A road, a joy to drive empty. My nightmare commute is a lorry with 2-3 people behind unwilling to overtake themselves but as other posters have described, unwilling to let you progress either.
Johnnytheboy said:
This - I don't overtake people because I'm "in a rush" but because I want to drive faster than they do, and it's not down to them to choose my speed for me.
This is it for me as well.Nothing to do with being in a rush, just a bit of spirited driving.
I detest how sheep like and risk averse the U.K. has become.
A lot of 40 mph heroes do 40 through 30’s as well, it’s largely people with their heads up their arse rather than driving safely.
Overtaking is still a thing round here. Shropshire wales border, the density of traffic being low and the number of tractors being high, ensures everyone can overtake. Just pop into my village, it has a 40 mph limit and every time I drive through it at 40 in rush hour I get overtaken, even been overtaken by a lorry before. The locals can overtake anywhere, weather it is safe or not, the tourists on the other hand just sit a foot behind the tractor, pulling out to the middle of the road for a look every now and again, not managing to see enough to overtake.
g3org3y said:
ninepoint2 said:
g3org3y said:
You lot are maniacs. Listen to Brake FFS.
Is that real FFS?Brake said:
Don’t overtake
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you, and when overtaking this can be fatal. The gap between you and oncoming traffic disappears surprisingly fast. If you and an oncoming vehicle are both driving at 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph, or 60 metres a second. So a small error of judgement can easily result in multiple deaths.
That’s why it isn’t worth the risk. Often overtaking makes little difference to your arrival time, but could mean you and someone else never arriving at all. So never overtake on single carriageways unless absolutely essential, such as because you need to pass a stationary or extremely slow moving vehicle. Only then do so if certain there’s enough space to get past without speeding and with no risk of someone coming the other way. Otherwise just hang back and relax.
Overtaking on single carriageways is incredibly risky and should be avoided. It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you, and when overtaking this can be fatal. The gap between you and oncoming traffic disappears surprisingly fast. If you and an oncoming vehicle are both driving at 60mph, the gap between you is closing at 120mph, or 60 metres a second. So a small error of judgement can easily result in multiple deaths.
That’s why it isn’t worth the risk. Often overtaking makes little difference to your arrival time, but could mean you and someone else never arriving at all. So never overtake on single carriageways unless absolutely essential, such as because you need to pass a stationary or extremely slow moving vehicle. Only then do so if certain there’s enough space to get past without speeding and with no risk of someone coming the other way. Otherwise just hang back and relax.
I thought you made that up!'It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you'
How the hell do these people pull out of junctions!
Edited by Donbot on Friday 28th August 08:23
A lot of 40 mph heroes do 40 through 30’s as well, it’s largely people with their heads up their arse rather than driving safely.
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Agreed. This happens frequently- I'll overtake at nsl, the overtaken car gets left behind. 5 mins later, after having slowed to 30 or 20 for a village, by the time I'm through the village the overtaken car has caught up with me and is now tailgating me!
2 GKC said:
I share the frustration but I think the people you’re referring to don’t mind pottering along slowly as they’re mostly doing something else anyway. It’s amazing how rarely you see a driver really gun an overtake.
True, if the car in front in pottering along at 40mph, sometimes I like pottering along behind them if I'm in no rush / enjoying scenery etc. But... if a car / bike comes up behind clearly wishing to make quicker progress, I just ease back to create a gap and position to the left to make clear they can get by. They can then leap frog me at the earliest opp into the gap and then leapfrog the lead car and gone.
Creating a road train just makes it harder / more dangerous for someone else to get by due to TED and is very selfish / inconsiderate. Often leads to frustration and more risk taken than should have been required.
People getting quite defensive. Whether you’re a rush or just ‘want’ to go faster, although being is a rush is probably more justifiable, I think most of us could do with a bit more patience and consideration. The red mist seems to surround a lot of drivers.
Sunday drivers rolling around in their extended mobility vehicles are not a new phenomenon, and quite often they come in bunches, hence the lack of overtaking.
I get some gratification buzzing passed them with my bike on full chat, but in my car I now take a deep breath and find a tune I enjoy.. Or wait for a big enough gap
Sunday drivers rolling around in their extended mobility vehicles are not a new phenomenon, and quite often they come in bunches, hence the lack of overtaking.
I get some gratification buzzing passed them with my bike on full chat, but in my car I now take a deep breath and find a tune I enjoy.. Or wait for a big enough gap
James-m5qjf said:
I get just a frustrated as most people on here, but we do need to ask ourselves, what’s the rush?
It’s easier said than done but I do now try and apply the mantra of patience is a virtue... Our consumer driven on demand lives has probably done our driving temperament no favours.
It’s not necessarily about getting there sooner, often it’s about enjoying the drive.It’s easier said than done but I do now try and apply the mantra of patience is a virtue... Our consumer driven on demand lives has probably done our driving temperament no favours.
I don’t get out for an enjoyable drive so often nowadays, so prefer not to lose one by sitting needlessly in a slow queue.
Kent Border Kenny said:
It’s not necessarily about getting there sooner, often it’s about enjoying the drive.
I don’t get out for an enjoyable drive so often nowadays, so prefer not to lose one by sitting needlessly in a slow queue.
Enjoyable drive, it’s a 6am start in the South if you want one of those. Any other time and a clear section of road is a blessing. I don’t get out for an enjoyable drive so often nowadays, so prefer not to lose one by sitting needlessly in a slow queue.
James-m5qjf said:
People getting quite defensive. Whether you’re a rush or just ‘want’ to go faster, although being is a rush is probably more justifiable, I think most of us could do with a bit more patience and consideration. The red mist seems to surround a lot of drivers.
Sunday drivers rolling around in their extended mobility vehicles are not a new phenomenon, and quite often they come in bunches, hence the lack of overtaking.
I get some gratification buzzing passed them with my bike on full chat, but in my car I now take a deep breath and find a tune I enjoy.. Or wait for a big enough gap
It is less inconsiderate overtaking someone than it is holding someone up. Sunday drivers rolling around in their extended mobility vehicles are not a new phenomenon, and quite often they come in bunches, hence the lack of overtaking.
I get some gratification buzzing passed them with my bike on full chat, but in my car I now take a deep breath and find a tune I enjoy.. Or wait for a big enough gap
James-m5qjf said:
Enjoyable drive, it’s a 6am start in the South if you want one of those. Any other time and a clear section of road is a blessing.
Ain't that the truth, when did the roads get so fking busy all the time? The chances for an enjoyable drive these days are few and far between. Not just busy, full of dawdlers too.. Johnnytheboy said:
It is less inconsiderate overtaking someone than it is holding someone up.
So you’re interpreting someone not going as fast as you would like as being inconsiderate? Life must be stressful. I tend to drive (too) fast, like most people here I suspect, and I’m not shy of overtaking. But I can sense the frustration on here, let alone on the road. I just think there are a more important things to worry about, these people aren’t going away unfortunately. Let them potter, just be sure to have your valves open when you find a chance to pass, and do so with a smile on your face
Donbot said:
I thought you made that up!'It is impossible to accurately judge the speed of approaching traffic, or the length of empty road in front of you'
How the hell do these people pull out of junctions!
Edited by Donbot on Friday 28th August 08:23
I do think every one should do a track day. I have only done half a dozen or so but it forces you to look much further ahead, this is something 90% don’t do. Just sit 2 inches off each other’s bumper.
My commute is half an hour on the A1079, there is a very short stretch of dual carriageway which is good for getting past dawdlers.
In general people are pretty good at overtaking lorries and the 259 tractors each morning on this road.
Apart from when behind a bus, then nobody overtakes, the other week I overtook three cars and a bus but couldn’t safely get past all at once so did a bit of leapfrog, that caused great annoyance to everyone sat behind the bus. I then overtook the bus and got on with my day.
People hate people who overtake, they really hate people who leapfrog between people who don’t overtake.
I go the speed limit or sometimes just over, I rarely get overtaken, but I don’t mind if somebody overtakes, if they want to go faster than me it’s not my concern.
Ive only flashed one person who overtook with something coming the other way and made me brake firmly so they didn’t have a head on
In general people are pretty good at overtaking lorries and the 259 tractors each morning on this road.
Apart from when behind a bus, then nobody overtakes, the other week I overtook three cars and a bus but couldn’t safely get past all at once so did a bit of leapfrog, that caused great annoyance to everyone sat behind the bus. I then overtook the bus and got on with my day.
People hate people who overtake, they really hate people who leapfrog between people who don’t overtake.
I go the speed limit or sometimes just over, I rarely get overtaken, but I don’t mind if somebody overtakes, if they want to go faster than me it’s not my concern.
Ive only flashed one person who overtook with something coming the other way and made me brake firmly so they didn’t have a head on
I don't get frustrated with other people going slow, I just overtake when the opportunity presents itself. I normally have enough awareness of what is around that I work it in to not cause me to brake but then I tend not to be speeding as there are to many police cash generators around. If I can't overtake it's not the end of the world as there is bound to be a point where I can shortly. If it's a huge long line of cars then I either tuck in and wait until it's safe or the thing turns off/gets out the way.
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