More cars you didn't know existed...

[Mammasaid]

21st Century Man said:

Truckosaurus said:

Indeed. I often see some random car from a major manufacturer and have not clue what it is (eg. I walked past my local Skoda dealer yesterday having dropped my car off at a nearby garage for its MoT, and its forecourt was full of various SUVs of similar size and I wouldn't have been able to tell you the names of any of them (other than knowing they all start with a K)).



How the general public is meant to pick and chose between them, lord knows, or perhaps that is what the manufacturer wants, just have people cluelessly turning up and being shown some random car in the showroom and being told it is only £199 a month.

You mention Skoda, but as we know it's pretty much all manufacturers. They have seemingly dozens of near identical SUV ranges available in 100mm size increments from 4m to 5m.

All fit the thread title, even the dealers don't know, if you walked into a Seat dealer and asked about an Altuva you'd get blank looks.

Indeed, you can update the manufacturer easily;

I walked past my local Mercedes dealer yesterday having dropped my car off at a nearby garage for its MoT, and its forecourt was full of various SUVs of similar size and I wouldn't have been able to tell you the names of any of them (other than knowing they all start with a G).

[BrettMRC]

Mammasaid said:

I didn't know about the cabriolet version, they're serious money in Japan;

https://www.goo-net-exchange.com/usedcars/HONDA/CI...

That's quite a lot!!! :O

[KTF]

Mammasaid said:

Indeed, you can update the manufacturer easily;

I walked past my local Mercedes dealer yesterday having dropped my car off at a nearby garage for its MoT, and its forecourt was full of various SUVs of similar size and I wouldn't have been able to tell you the names of any of them (other than knowing they all start with a G).

Mercedes is relatively easy as you have the A, B, C, E and S Class cars with the GLA, GLB, GLC, GLE and GLS SUV variants.

[21st Century Man]

KTF said:

Mercedes is relatively easy as you have the A, B, C, E and S Class cars with the GLA, GLB, GLC, GLE and GLS SUV variants.

And that's just small selection from the full range

Actually that does seem straightforward, but one must assume that for the last decade or so the showroom has been full of people asking "Do you have one of these, but taller?"

Edited by 21st Century Man on Wednesday 27th July 14:53

[KTF]

21st Century Man said:

KTF said:

Mercedes is relatively easy as you have the A, B, C, E and S Class cars with the GLA, GLB, GLC, GLE and GLS SUV variants.

And that's just small selection from the full range

True At least their naming convention makes some sort of sense - GLx, EQx, CLx and so on - rather than random names.

[Dashnine]

fbc said:

Holden is now a dead brand, GM still retains it but it no longer operates. The very limited GM products that are now sold in Australia carry their original US brands and badging. From next year the GM product in the Supercars (they dropped the 'V8' part of the name a few years ago) championship is the Camaro.

Edited by fbc on Wednesday 27th July 13:48

Thanks!

It looks a bit more like a Camaro than the Supercars Mustang looks like Mustang, maybe they've dropped the minimum height presumably originally for the saloon based cars which made the Mustang look odd.

(I called it V8 Supercars as it's what it's still called on the Sky TV planner when trying to find the broadcasts!)

[Mammasaid]

KTF said:

21st Century Man said:

KTF said:

Mercedes is relatively easy as you have the A, B, C, E and S Class cars with the GLA, GLB, GLC, GLE and GLS SUV variants.

And that's just small selection from the full range

True At least their naming convention makes some sort of sense - GLx, EQx, CLx and so on - rather than random names.

Just wait until you get to the engine designations then (I'm not using sizes as that went out of the window ages ago);

C200? 1.5l petrol
C220d 2.0l diesel
C300e 2.0 petrol
etc.

Audi and BMW are just as bad.

[fbc]

Dashnine said:

It looks a bit more like a Camaro than the Supercars Mustang looks like Mustang, maybe they've dropped the minimum height presumably originally for the saloon based cars which made the Mustang look odd.

There's a whole new set of vehicle regulations referred to as 'Gen 3' that becomes effective in 2023 and replaces the current vehicles entirely, part of that is a significant redesign of the control roll cage that includes a lowering of the height of the hoop that runs around the B-pillar and across the roof. The current Mustang looks so strange because of the height required for this hoop in the current regulations.

This is the 'new' Gen3 Mustang that will race against the Camaro from 2023 (though I believe if the new Mustang is launched before then the bodywork of the current prototype will be replaced with the new model's, but the point re roof height and looking like the production version will remain):

Dashnine said:

(I called it V8 Supercars as it's what it's still called on the Sky TV planner when trying to find the broadcasts!)

It's still commonly referred to by that name. They dropped the 'V8' when they were attempting to encourage other manufacturers to enter with different engine configurations (888 Racing along with Holden / GM developed a twin-turbo V6 but it was never raced), since no manufacturers took this up it's still a V8 series ironically.

Edited by fbc on Wednesday 27th July 17:06

Edited by fbc on Thursday 28th July 03:02

[blue_haddock]

MattyD803 said:

OK fine.....what about the Peugeot 205 GTi "1FM" edition.....



I know a lot of people in 'car circles' know of it's existence, but equally many don't as they are super rare as far as special editions go (only 25 built), they rarely change hands and although mechanically nothing particularly exciting, they are quite special in many ways.

A bit of a dream car for me to be brutally honest, but then I am a big retro Peugeot fan.

Edited by MattyD803 on Tuesday 26th July 15:41

What's better than 1 205 GTi 1FM?

10 of them!

[rodericb]

Jader1973 said:

rodericb said:

Hmm I'm squinting really hard and possibly thinking Sandman but that was a different shade and had the integrated canopy rising up if i remember correctly. It does look Big Commodore (VT onwards). God there are so many other Holden concepts that should be there rather than the Colorado (and probably the Cruze). Like that TT36...

It’s the Monaro 427 - red car with black mirrors is the giveaway. That and I found another pic from a different angle

These weren’t on display - they were just dumped while they cleaned wherever they usually sat.

TT36 used to kick about HQ but I hadn’t seen it for years (maybe 10) - no idea where it went.

The 427 crossed my mind but I thought they'd sold them all a few years ago - the first one and then the other one or two which got built....!

the TT36 was ace!

[SunsetZed]

As with most of us I try and keep up with new cars but I saw a Renault Arkana on the motorway yesterday which is a new model I'd completely missed.

[Dashnine]

fbc said:

Dashnine said:

It looks a bit more like a Camaro than the Supercars Mustang looks like Mustang, maybe they've dropped the minimum height presumably originally for the saloon based cars which made the Mustang look odd.

There's a whole new set of vehicle regulations referred to as 'Gen 3' that becomes effective in 2023 and replaces the current vehicles entirely, part of that is a significant redesign of the control roll cage that includes a lowering of the height of the hoop that runs around the B-pillar and across the roof. The current Mustang looks so strange because of the height required for this hoop in the current regulations.

This is the 'new' Gen3 Mustang that will race against the Camaro from 2023 (though I believe if the new Mustang is launched before then the bodywork of the current prototype will be replaced with the new model's, but the point re roof height and looking like the production version will remain):

Dashnine said:

(I called it V8 Supercars as it's what it's still called on the Sky TV planner when trying to find the broadcasts!)

It's still commonly referred to by that name. They dropped the 'V8' when they were attempting to encourage other manufacturers to enter with different engine configurations (888 Racing along with Holden / GM developed a twin-turbo V6 but it was never raced), since no manufacturers took this up it's still a V8 series ironically.

Thanks for the update, looking forward to the new cars next season!

[MattyD803]

blue_haddock said:

What's better than 1 205 GTi 1FM?

10 of them!

Absolutely.....and what with current prices what they are for 'regular' GTi's, there must be £400k of old Peugeot sat in that line there....?

[Truckosaurus]

SunsetZed said:

...Renault Arkana...

Saw plenty of these in France and assumed it was another interesting Renault we don't get in the UK (eg. Talisman, Scenic and Espace) but surprised when I also spotted one here.

I'm not especially a fan of SUV style coupes, but I think the Arkana is small enough to get away with it and not look too vulgar.

[blue_haddock]

Truckosaurus said:

Saw plenty of these in France and assumed it was another interesting Renault we don't get in the UK (eg. Talisman, Scenic and Espace) but surprised when I also spotted one here.

I'm not especially a fan of SUV style coupes, but I think the Arkana is small enough to get away with it and not look too vulgar.

I actually really like the talisman, and it's even better in estate form.

[Dapster]

Lada Samara T3 S Proto is a factory rally car - here it is ready for the 1991 Paris Dakar with none other than Jacky Ickx at the wheel. Wonder why it has the wheels off of a Porsche 928? Well, it has the drivetrain, gearbox and a 3.6-litre flat-six from a Porsche 959! Developed by Lada and built in a disused Tupolev factory

[Matt Cup]

Citroen e-mehari



I remember seeing the last model dotted about Spain didn’t realise they brought it back out.

[67Dino]

Behind a car in traffic yesterday thinking the rear looked like a kit car replica of a Panamera. Turns out to be a Kia Proceed estate… (pics don’t quite do it justice but if you see one you’ll know what I mean)

[ajprice]

Scrolling Twitter, this came up about hatch based saloons. I'd seen the Clio, Corsa and Fiesta before, but I've never seen the 4 door K11 Micra https://twitter.com/Mo_Pedder_50cc/status/15555957...



I don't hate it. I knew there were K11 Micra convertible and estate (March Box) body styles before. I do think the K11 is a good looking thing as superminis go. Sat in one once to try it out, but the seat didn't quite slide back far enough for me.

[t2007p]

Apologies if it’s posted already further back than I went

Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale