RE: Vauxhall VXR8 GTS | Spotted
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Gorbyrev said:
So man maths time. I wonder if the lack of depreciation balances out the fuel cost difference between this and a 2012 A6 3.0TDi. Twice the economy, third of the power, now worth about £10k in minty knick. Near enough!
Except you’ll have died from boredom long before the Audi is old enough.irocfan said:
If I HAD to have a 4/5, door this would certainly be on the (very) short list to look at. Ahead of it though would be a Charger and Jeep SRT. Nothing else mentioned on this thread tickles my fancy
I owned a couple of VXR8’s when I was living in the UK, the last one Supercharged (though not quite the power of the one in this thread starter!), relocated to Australia over 6 years ago and after a few cars bought a brand new Chrysler 300 SRT just under a year ago (yes, we can still get them here!), considered the Jeep but wanted a saloon.Charger’s are mega expensive here, they have to be converted to RHD so the 300 made perfect sense. It has the glorious 6.4L Hemi plus all the updated tech such as adaptive cruise, dynamic suspension, lane keep assist etc.
It’s pretty much the only 4 door muscle car saloon available here, plus the police in my state of NSW has a stack of them for highway patrol cars too.
$77k on the road here for a full fat (£43k)
TypeRTim said:
DaveyBoyWonder said:
Regardless of whether its got a 6.2l supercharged V8, is £42k for a 6 year old Vauxhall not OTT? I mean, given what else you could get for similar money at that age?
Quick browse of AT for 45k max: 2 year old M4, 2 year old Cayman, delivery mileage C43, 5 year old RS6, basically new Supra, 4 year old C63, various I8s, Maserati Granturismo, Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio, year old M2 with 1k miles on it........ basically hundreds of more desirable (to me) options than the VXR8.
You've massively missed the point mate. M4, lacking around about a Golf GTi in bhp, Cayman is lacking 2 cylinders (if it isn't a 718) a wedge of power and 2 seats, c43 you're missing around 300bhp 2 cylinders and a pedal, RS6...yawn.Quick browse of AT for 45k max: 2 year old M4, 2 year old Cayman, delivery mileage C43, 5 year old RS6, basically new Supra, 4 year old C63, various I8s, Maserati Granturismo, Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio, year old M2 with 1k miles on it........ basically hundreds of more desirable (to me) options than the VXR8.
Don't view it as a vauxhall. It's basically a 4 door Corvette Z06. To me, a hell of a lot more desirable than any car you listed above save possibly for the Maserati. To each their own though! Replace the vauxhall badges back to HSV badges and you're golden.
Why compare something rare (ish) like this to something available on every street corner like generic BMW or Mercs which are so very common.
Its like comparing Sofa Italia to f
kin DFS.. Leon R said:
Couldn't have picked a worse comparison given the interior of the Vauxhall, imagine going to sofa italia and getting that sea of grey faux leather and hard touch plastics for your living room.
I say that as a big fan of these too.
The irony is the quality of leather and plastic in today’s VW, BMW or Audi is absolute bobbins.I say that as a big fan of these too.
BenRichards89 said:
I love these but much prefer the styling on the previous generation (around 2009?) Convenient as a tidy one can be had for late teens/early 20ks. Plus some change to swap the VX badging for Holden 
I must apologise. There was a spot of rust I could see through the Griffin, so i changed it. Must get some holden badges for the wheel centre caps. 
wormus said:
Leon R said:
Couldn't have picked a worse comparison given the interior of the Vauxhall, imagine going to sofa italia and getting that sea of grey faux leather and hard touch plastics for your living room.
I say that as a big fan of these too.
The irony is the quality of leather and plastic in today’s VW, BMW or Audi is absolute bobbins.I say that as a big fan of these too.
That Vauxhall interior is not nicer than a modern A4 or a 3 series.
Leon R said:
wormus said:
Leon R said:
Couldn't have picked a worse comparison given the interior of the Vauxhall, imagine going to sofa italia and getting that sea of grey faux leather and hard touch plastics for your living room.
I say that as a big fan of these too.
The irony is the quality of leather and plastic in today’s VW, BMW or Audi is absolute bobbins.I say that as a big fan of these too.
That Vauxhall interior is not nicer than a modern A4 or a 3 series.
Pommy said:
Leon R said:
wormus said:
Leon R said:
Couldn't have picked a worse comparison given the interior of the Vauxhall, imagine going to sofa italia and getting that sea of grey faux leather and hard touch plastics for your living room.
I say that as a big fan of these too.
The irony is the quality of leather and plastic in today’s VW, BMW or Audi is absolute bobbins.I say that as a big fan of these too.
That Vauxhall interior is not nicer than a modern A4 or a 3 series.
wormus said:
Well yes it is subjective, otherwise we wouldn’t be discussing it. Your average A3, A4, 3 series is built down to a price and the premium feel is entirely subjective, designed to appeal to those who want to believe they are driving a premium product. Below, dash level all the plastics are made from yogurt pots and the leather is just as nasty as you’d find in any non premium brand. Now pay close to £100k for an executive version and I’ll agree, you can see where the money has been spent but a 3 series these days is not special at all and a lot of the leather, the bits you don’t sit on is synthetic.
I'm not even sure the stuff in my mate's Merc is actually leather? Feels more like Pleather to me...V88Dicky said:
I'm not even sure the stuff in my mate's Merc is actually leather? Feels more like Pleather to me...
Merc have used imitation leather, or MB Tex, for years. They don’t claim leather when they use that.I can’t remember the exact portion but in Australia it was something like 25% had to be leather to claim leather seats and to claim leather appointed all the bits you touch when you sit had to be leather. Toyota Australia got done for claiming leather when it didn’t meet the criteria years ago.
As for the quality of Holden leather vs the rest, most of the world’s auto leather is either from China or South America. As with most things auto there actually aren’t that many suppliers of high volume stuff. Quality is broadly similar unless you start looking at Bridge of Weir for example, and even they do a lower cost version.
A lot of it is to do with the number of fly bites on the hide IIRC.
Edited by Jader1973 on Tuesday 22 September 08:30
wormus said:
Well yes it is subjective, otherwise we wouldn’t be discussing it. Your average A3, A4, 3 series is built down to a price and the premium feel is entirely subjective, designed to appeal to those who want to believe they are driving a premium product. Below, dash level all the plastics are made from yogurt pots and the leather is just as nasty as you’d find in any non premium brand. Now pay close to £100k for an executive version and I’ll agree, you can see where the money has been spent but a 3 series these days is not special at all and a lot of the leather, the bits you don’t sit on is synthetic.
Yup, VAG are masters at perceived quality i.e. the bits you touch and see seem quality but really aren’t any better engineered than say Hyundai or Kia.They are really clever at hiding the joins between bits of interior trim for example.
Jader1973 said:
V88Dicky said:
I'm not even sure the stuff in my mate's Merc is actually leather? Feels more like Pleather to me...
Merc have used imitation leather, or MB Tex, for years. They don’t claim leather when they use that.I can’t remember the exact portion but in Australia it was something like 25% had to be leather to claim leather seats and to claim leather appointed all the bits you touch when you sit had to be leather. Toyota Australia got done for claiming leather when it didn’t meet the criteria years ago.
As for the quality of Holden leather vs the rest, most of the world’s auto leather is either from China or South America. As with most things auto there actually aren’t that many suppliers of high volume stuff. Quality is broadly similar unless you start looking at Bridge of Weir for example, and even they do a lower cost version.
A lot of it is to do with the number of fly bites on the hide IIRC.
Edited by Jader1973 on Tuesday 22 September 08:30
Awesome - we get a story about a 600bhp super saloon, made just a handful of years ago, that can seat 5 adults, has rear wheel drive and a manual gearbox all for the price of a new Golf, at a time when all others similar are AWD and auto, and all we can discuss is the quality of the fking leather.
PistonHeads: Hides Matter
king leather.PistonHeads: Hides Matter
PomBstard said:
Awesome - we get a story about a 600bhp super saloon, made just a handful of years ago, that can seat 5 adults, has rear wheel drive and a manual gearbox all for the price of a new Golf, at a time when all others similar are AWD and auto, and all we can discuss is the quality of the fking leather.
PistonHeads: Hides Matter
Don't forget the hard touch plastics king leather.PistonHeads: Hides Matter
SturdyHSV said:
PomBstard said:
Awesome - we get a story about a 600bhp super saloon, made just a handful of years ago, that can seat 5 adults, has rear wheel drive and a manual gearbox all for the price of a new Golf, at a time when all others similar are AWD and auto, and all we can discuss is the quality of the fking leather.
PistonHeads: Hides Matter
Don't forget the hard touch plastics king leather.PistonHeads: Hides Matter
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Leon R said:
Couldn't have picked a worse comparison given the interior of the Vauxhall, imagine going to sofa italia and getting that sea of grey faux leather and hard touch plastics for your living room.
I say that as a big fan of these too.
The interior isn't actually that bad - The dash is soft touch due to the material on it, and it felt well screwed together. Granted, some of the lower plastics were a bit scratchy, but generally it was alright. I say that as a big fan of these too.
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