RE: Peugeot to sell factory restored 205 GTIs

RE: Peugeot to sell factory restored 205 GTIs

Saturday 17th October 2020

Peugeot to sell factory restored 205 GTIs

GTI looking a little tired after decades of use? Now Peugeot will return your 205 to its former glory



Ask anyone in the UK what the most famous Peugeot is in its 210 years of existence - or at least what their very favourite has been - and they'll more than likely say one thing: 205 GTI. Perhaps more than any other mainstream manufacturer, which tend to have a few hero models, 'le sacre numero' still stands out as Peugeot's most revered creation. Which is most likely way Sochaux is having another go at making them...

To mark that 210th anniversary, Peugeot is to restore and sell authenticated 205 GTIs. Yes, you read that right: good-as-new versions of perhaps the most iconic hot hatch ever, for sale in 2020 from Peugeot. What a way to mark a birthday!

Work is already underway at the Musee de l'Aventure Peugeot workshops on a black 1.9, Peugeot promising that "specialist craftspeople" will restore the cars to "like new condition"; they include body restorers, textile trimmers and sheet metal workers - it's a proper job, be in no doubt. So much so that every car that goes through the process will receive 'Par l'Aventure Peugeot' badging and certification'. Think of it like Ferrari Classiche, just for a 205.


Aha, you're probably thinking, that's all well and good, but what about the required parts? There hasn't been a new 205 GTI on the roads for more than 25 years, and the car was first introduced way back in 1984. Well, Peugeot has that covered. Not only has it obtained "the necessary stock and warehouse operations" to support the new scheme, it's also suggested 3D printing will be used for those parts no longer made. This really is as thorough (and therefore exciting) as you could hope.

It's not just Peugeot sourced cars that will be available, either. Existing GTI owners will be able, come 2021, to receive a quote about full or partial restoration of their 205 in Sochaux. With factory restoration on the cards, there'll be no excuse not to have your 1.6 or 1.9 in the finest of fettle.

The news gets better, too, as this process won't be limited to just the 205. Not only does the release from Peugeot state that other classic models will eventually be included, the website where the restored cars are going to be sold from next year is https://laventurepeugeotcitroends.fr/ - so perhaps the other marques might eventually be included as well. Now, obviously, a factory restoration isn't going to come cheap, but with the best 205s still commanding almost £20,000, it might look like a sensible investment in time. As if the temptation to get hold of one wasn't already high enough...





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blue al

Original Poster:

936 posts

159 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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What is the price of nostalgia ?

Why do I suspect not much change from 50k for a “new car”

Steamer

13,856 posts

213 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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blue al said:
What is the price of nostalgia ?

Why do I suspect not much change from 50k for a “new car”
I'd say higher...

..add the words 'factory restored' and you can probably double that.

the Carguy

38 posts

71 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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Lats all Hope they will also sell new parts to Owners...getting those 1.9 and GTI Badges and various trims new would be like a visit from Santa

GTRene

16,491 posts

224 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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I like the idea, those 205 GTI are lovely, I looked it up, I've owned 11 times a Peugeot 205 in my 'car' life,
most were 1.9 GTI, but also 1.6 GTI and a GT 1.6 and a Rallye 1.9 and Gutman 1.9 and a Gutman tuned Dimma 1.9 (T16 look) and my last one back in 1999 (car 92 on my list) was a 1991 Gentry 1.9 in that dark-ish green, lovely car also.

good old times biggrin

Leftfootwonder

1,116 posts

58 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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I think the best news here is the parts supply and I hope other manufactures will follow suit for their older models.

Arsecati

2,301 posts

117 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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the Carguy said:
Lats all Hope they will also sell new parts to Owners...getting those 1.9 and GTI Badges and various trims new would be like a visit from Santa
You have literally just posted my thoughts exactly. Prices of specific GTi parts secondhand now is getting beyond ridiculous due to the values of the cars increasing so much. Luckily Pablo (my little 1.9) is bang on and needs nothing, but I do still like to drive the thing, so it would be nice to know there are parts available for it in the future without having to present my balls in a bowl for them.

MrScrot

77 posts

162 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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Fantastic news! Can't imagine it will be cheap but there are people with a lot of money.

What I would like from Peugeot is a kit to future proof the car against E10 petrol. That would help keep a few more of them on the road.

MC Bodge

21,618 posts

175 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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I feel that I missed out in never driving one of these cars.

Mr Happy

5,695 posts

220 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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It's been 12 years since I made the stupidest decision of my life so far and scrapped my old phase 2, graphite grey, non-cat 1.9 GTI. Still kicking myself for that considering it didn't need too much work to bring it back from the brink. Extreme automotive myopia on my part!

Still the best car I've owned, although I will put my M135i on par with it now (just my personal opinion, obvs)

TwigtheWonderkid

43,317 posts

150 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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It was a great car in its day, and to keep one in good condition is cool. But to spend tens of thousands, not for me. Great as the were, they would be no match for a modern hot hatch, available new for probably way less money.

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,317 posts

150 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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MC Bodge said:
I feel that I missed out in never driving one of these cars.
If you ever get a chance, I'm going to get shouted down for this, but the 1.6 is nicer than the 1.9.

Mr Happy

5,695 posts

220 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
If you ever get a chance, I'm going to get shouted down for this, but the 1.6 is nicer than the 1.9.
I guess that depends on your definition of nicer.

The 1.6 was revvier and a little more "balanced" but it needed to be thrashed mercilessly to get the best out of it. The 1.9 was torquier and gave the hot-hatch shove with snap throttle response, but taught a lot of people that you don't slow down half way round a corner by lifting off the throttle!

I've driven both, but personally preferred the 1.9's power delivery to the frenetic 1.6 (from memory there were only 25hp or so in it, but I can't remember the torque figures off the top of my head)

David87

6,650 posts

212 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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This is great news. I don't have an emotional connection with the 205 (despite how good it is), but the day Renault do this with a Clio Williams I'm in.

Limpet

6,305 posts

161 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
It was a great car in its day, and to keep one in good condition is cool. But to spend tens of thousands, not for me. Great as the were, they would be no match for a modern hot hatch, available new for probably way less money.

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
Broadly agree with this.

There aren't many things that are as good as you remember 30 years on. Our memories tend to form mental caricatures of things (and people) that we were fond of at one time by exaggerating the good stuff and playing down the bad. You remember how stunning an ex was look at, and how she went like a bullet train out of Tokyo, but you conveniently forget or at least disregard the major howling showstopper(s) that stopped it working out the first time around.

Rose tinted specs really are a thing.

Augustus Windsock

3,359 posts

155 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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Mr Happy said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
If you ever get a chance, I'm going to get shouted down for this, but the 1.6 is nicer than the 1.9.
I guess that depends on your definition of nicer.

The 1.6 was revvier and a little more "balanced" but it needed to be thrashed mercilessly to get the best out of it. The 1.9 was torquier and gave the hot-hatch shove with snap throttle response, but taught a lot of people that you don't slow down half way round a corner by lifting off the throttle!

I've driven both, but personally preferred the 1.9's power delivery to the frenetic 1.6 (from memory there were only 25hp or so in it, but I can't remember the torque figures off the top of my head)
The first 1.6 was circa 105 bhp but was upped to 115 bhp around 1986/7(?)
The 1:9 was circa 130bhp but dropped a little at the end when they got a cat
I remember going to look at them when they first came out but bought an XR2 mk2 instead (the first registered in Mansfield apparently, though that’s not much to shout about).
The reason was that the build quality of the 205 was shocking and it felt tinny. That was the only reason.
I subsequently bought another new XR2 in August 86 before realising what I was missing and buying a nearly new 205 GTi 1.6
To drive they were great in their day and I never did own a 1.9 although a good friend of mine had a Dimma version with a twin stage turbo technics conversion iirc.
Now that was a rapid thing but, like most of his other cars, he wrote it off...
Perhaps we should have a sweepstake on how much the factory built cars will be?

Edited by Augustus Windsock on Friday 16th October 11:25

nunpuncher

3,377 posts

125 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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As a current owner I completely disagree.

I bought mine for nostalgia reasons 8 years ago when they were still c£1000. Ive ran it alongside a mk7 r, an m135i and a cupra 290 and none of them came anywhere near in terms of a proper hooligan hot hatch driving experience. They were all much faster and more comfortable but handled like broken barges compared to my 1.6. I even test drove the much praised mk7 fiesta st but found that stodgy and dull in comparison.

If you think it's about bhp, 0-60, "ring" times and the traffic light gp then you're unlikely to understand the 205 gti

Arsecati

2,301 posts

117 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
It was a great car in its day, and to keep one in good condition is cool. But to spend tens of thousands, not for me. Great as the were, they would be no match for a modern hot hatch, available new for probably way less money.

Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.
A match in what way? I guarantee you 1000%, in fact, I will bet my own 1.9GTi on it, that you will not have ANYWHERE near as much fun taking your 300bhp modern hot hatch to your local Tesco for a pint of milk. And I'll put a kidney on it also, that you will NEVER receive so many smiles and positive attention when you drive there also. I don't think I've ever managed to get back in to the car after filling up with petrol without at least one other person there looking at it smiling, before launching in to a 'I remember..... ' story from 20/30 years ago, as it seems everyone (ok, of a certain age) has a story about one.

I chop and change my modern metal all the time, but my little Pablo is a keeper for life: nostalgia or not - roundabouts will ALWAYS make you laugh out loud in one of these, which is more than can be said for anything modern that's on sale now (well, if you want to keep your license anyway!).

Arsecati

2,301 posts

117 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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It amuses me that those who deride these as 'nostalgia' compared to something modern, are probably the same people who desire a 'manual' in their nannyed to the hilt 'sports car', so they can enjoy the 'interactivity' and 'analogue feel'. It's a funny old world. wink

TwigtheWonderkid

43,317 posts

150 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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nunpuncher said:
As a current owner I completely disagree.

I bought mine for nostalgia reasons 8 years ago when they were still c£1000. Ive ran it alongside a mk7 r, an m135i and a cupra 290 and none of them came anywhere near in terms of a proper hooligan hot hatch driving experience. They were all much faster and more comfortable but handled like broken barges compared to my 1.6. I even test drove the much praised mk7 fiesta st but found that stodgy and dull in comparison.

If you think it's about bhp, 0-60, "ring" times and the traffic light gp then you're unlikely to understand the 205 gti
I get all that. I was lucky enough to own a 309GTI whilst having a 205GTI 1.6 and 1.9 available to use at work. They were all great...in the late 80s. But anyone buying one today, fully restored, for more money that a brand new Civic Type R or the like, is crackers...imho.

Mr Happy

5,695 posts

220 months

Friday 16th October 2020
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
nunpuncher said:
As a current owner I completely disagree.

I bought mine for nostalgia reasons 8 years ago when they were still c£1000. Ive ran it alongside a mk7 r, an m135i and a cupra 290 and none of them came anywhere near in terms of a proper hooligan hot hatch driving experience. They were all much faster and more comfortable but handled like broken barges compared to my 1.6. I even test drove the much praised mk7 fiesta st but found that stodgy and dull in comparison.

If you think it's about bhp, 0-60, "ring" times and the traffic light gp then you're unlikely to understand the 205 gti
I get all that. I was lucky enough to own a 309GTI whilst having a 205GTI 1.6 and 1.9 available to use at work. They were all great...in the late 80s. But anyone buying one today, fully restored, for more money that a brand new Civic Type R or the like, is crackers...imho.
Realistically though, the price for a factory fresh GTI is probably going to be north of £50k, so the chances of someone paying that much to go razzing around the local B-roads will be approaching nil. These aren't going to be used in the manner in which they were originally designed, they're going to be garage queens and show cars.

I don't think you'll see one of these factory editions on the road as a regular car. You've probably got more chance of seeing a 1FM popping down to tescos than one of these!