RE: 331mph Tuatara is world's fastest production car

[unsprung]

NMNeil said:

If your country has a maximum speed limit for it's public roads of say, 75MPH, there's no reason or justification to make, market and sell cars capable of 300mph.

If you don't mind me saying:

That's a sad strain of asceticism you're campaigning for.

Are you sure you need to be told of the merits of a certain je ne sais quoi? The charm of seduction?

I mean: You're going full-on Prussian here.

[gigglebug]

NMNeil said:

What's to expand?
If your country has a maximum speed limit for it's public roads of say, 75MPH, there's no reason or justification to make, market and sell cars capable of 300mph.

Except for the fact that you will be able to take it to countries where the speed limits will possibly be higher than your own you are spot on. And of course the fact that you could take it to one of the many race tracks which cover the globe, which don’t tend to have speed limits, you are spot on. And of course the fact that a car capable of hitting 300mph is likely to accelerate quicker, at any given speed, than a comparable car that is only capable of hitting 200mph (and that may well be your thing) you are spot on. The only reason needed to justify making, marketing and selling a car capable of 300mph is if there are people willing to purchase them. I certainly doubt that a need to appease the likes of those who don’t see the point will ever come into consideration.

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 27th October 09:08

[fatbutt]

SantaBarbarian said:

Would this man lie to you?

I seem to remember some stories about the guy. Didn't he get into a big spat with Shelby for trying a little too hard to pass his company off as somehow affiliated with Carol Shelby? His claims in the past about world speed records have been dubious too.

[rigga]

NMNeil said:

What's to expand?
If your country has a maximum speed limit for it's public roads of say, 75MPH, there's no reason or justification to make, market and sell cars capable of 300mph.

No law that says you cannot get to the limit as fast as you can though.


As far as I'm aware.

[Kent Border Kenny]

NMNeil said:

What's to expand?
If your country has a maximum speed limit for it's public roads of say, 75MPH, there's no reason or justification to make, market and sell cars capable of 300mph.

That’s possibly the stupidest post I’ve ever seen on here.

Maybe you’ve never left your county, but out here in the grown-up world people have passports, and even in our island nation there are ferries and tunnels that let you drive to places with far higher speed limits.

You don’t even need to leave the country, there are also places called racing tracks and “drag strips” where you can exceed 70mph perfectly legally.

[kambites]

Kent Border Kenny said:

Maybe you’ve never left your county, but out here in the grown-up world people have passports, and even in our island nation there are ferries and tunnels that let you drive to places with far higher speed limits.

To be fair, none of those countries would be very impressed with you doing 300mph on the public road!

[gigglebug]

kambites said:

To be fair, none of those countries would be very impressed with you doing 300mph on the public road!

Probably just as well that this car doesn’t do 300mph then. (apparently)

[Kent Border Kenny]

kambites said:

To be fair, none of those countries would be very impressed with you doing 300mph on the public road!

Would the Germans mind if you found a piece of unrestricted straight autobahn to give it a try? I suppose that they may want a word.

[WCZ]

rofl @ the irony

they doubted the chiron ss's top speed. pathetic

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/sscs-jerod-shelb...

[saxy]

WCZ said:

rofl @ the irony

they doubted the chiron ss's top speed. pathetic

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/sscs-jerod-shelb...

Just because SSC cheats, doesn't mean Bugatti cheats haha... Bugatti never needed to "cheat" to sell its cars. SSC however... This fiasco might bring lawsuits and bankrupcy soon

[normalbloke]

rigga said:

NMNeil said:

What's to expand?
If your country has a maximum speed limit for it's public roads of say, 75MPH, there's no reason or justification to make, market and sell cars capable of 300mph.

No law that says you cannot get to the limit as fast as you can though.


As far as I'm aware.

Australia have something about ‘excessive acceleration’.

[CarPrintGuy]

bunchofkeys said:

It looked so effortless.
Starting off with a slow increase, i noticed 70 was still in 2nd gear?

Then only really starting to push around 200, that's bonkers!

My old E55 did 90 in 2nd.

What I found most impressive was that 331 mph was in 6th gear, with 7th to go. I read somewhere that Webb wouldn't dare change into 7th because it could unsettle the car. I guess anything at that speed can spell disaster. I suspect approaching 400 mph the windscreen would start to become a liability..

[WCZ]

saxy said:

Just because SSC cheats, doesn't mean Bugatti cheats haha... Bugatti never needed to "cheat" to sell its cars. SSC however... This fiasco might bring lawsuits and bankrupcy soon

Bugatti absolutely doesn't cheat at all and the cars will do 300+ for sure.

the engineering and resources bugatti have put them in a different league

[epom]

I’ve heard Tesla have done 431mph in their latest car, for as little as a $1,000,000 deposit you can get you’re name on the waiting list.

[NMNeil]

gigglebug said:

Except for the fact that you will be able to take it to countries where the speed limits will possibly be higher than your own you are spot on. And of course the fact that you could take it to one of the many race tracks which cover the globe, which don’t tend to have speed limits, you are spot on. And of course the fact that a car capable of hitting 300mph is likely to accelerate quicker, at any given speed, than a comparable car that is only capable of hitting 200mph (and that may well be your thing) you are spot on. The only reason needed to justify making, marketing and selling a car capable of 300mph is if there are people willing to purchase them. I certainly doubt that a need to appease the likes of those who don’t see the point will ever come into consideration.

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 27th October 09:08

As for appeasing my likes, such as putting the safety of others first, the powers that be are already doing that in the UK and Europe, including the precious autobahns.
https://fortune.com/2020/03/07/germany-autobahn-sp...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/all-...
So this whole argument is really a moot point, as very soon 300 mph cars will only be seen on a racetrack, or in a museum.

[Kent Border Kenny]

NMNeil said:

As for appeasing my likes, such as putting the safety of others first, the powers that be are already doing that in the UK and Europe, including the precious autobahns.
https://fortune.com/2020/03/07/germany-autobahn-sp...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/all-...
So this whole argument is really a moot point, as very soon 300 mph cars will only be seen on a racetrack, or in a museum.

Only 7% of incidents in the UK have excessive speed listed as a factor, and that doesn’t imply that anyone was exceeding the speed limit.

There is no link between speed and safety, only inappropriate speed.

[gigglebug]

NMNeil said:

As for appeasing my likes, such as putting the safety of others first, the powers that be are already doing that in the UK and Europe, including the precious autobahns.
https://fortune.com/2020/03/07/germany-autobahn-sp...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/all-...
So this whole argument is really a moot point, as very soon 300 mph cars will only be seen on a racetrack, or in a museum.

Or they could still be seen on the road as it isn't 2022 yet, if you hadn't noticed, these are not going to be new cars at that point (the very basis on which the planned legislation you have highlighted exists) and they don't have to do 300mph every time they are driven, as if that really should need pointing out to you?? So what exactly will prevent this car, or the Chiron, from being used on the road at that point - 2022? You might also want to wake up to the fact that the world is still a far larger place than Europe, although well done for recognising there is at least more than one country. This particular car is American don't you know - USA!!! USA!!! - so the use of fast cars still wouldn't be bound by a couple of pieces of possible legislation which only cover one area of the globe. I am positive that race tracks/venues will continue to exist going forward, and I expect that they will become ever more prevelant as time goes on to provide for those who still wish to exploit their cars safely at high speed so the only real moot point here is your continued belief that you have a relevant point at all.

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 27th October 18:38

[gigglebug]

CarPrintGuy said:

My old E55 did 90 in 2nd.

What I found most impressive was that 331 mph was in 6th gear, with 7th to go. I read somewhere that Webb wouldn't dare change into 7th because it could unsettle the car. I guess anything at that speed can spell disaster. I suspect approaching 400 mph the windscreen would start to become a liability..

According to the Shmee video the car would hit it's maximum speed in 6th anyway so 7th wasn't required. The mention of there being more to give by the driver was alluding to the fact that he hadn't reached maximum revs in 6th yet as oppose to there being another gear to go, at least that is what I got from the video.

[Kawasicki]

NMNeil said:

gigglebug said:

Except for the fact that you will be able to take it to countries where the speed limits will possibly be higher than your own you are spot on. And of course the fact that you could take it to one of the many race tracks which cover the globe, which don’t tend to have speed limits, you are spot on. And of course the fact that a car capable of hitting 300mph is likely to accelerate quicker, at any given speed, than a comparable car that is only capable of hitting 200mph (and that may well be your thing) you are spot on. The only reason needed to justify making, marketing and selling a car capable of 300mph is if there are people willing to purchase them. I certainly doubt that a need to appease the likes of those who don’t see the point will ever come into consideration.

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 27th October 09:08

As for appeasing my likes, such as putting the safety of others first, the powers that be are already doing that in the UK and Europe, including the precious autobahns.
https://fortune.com/2020/03/07/germany-autobahn-sp...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/27/all-...
So this whole argument is really a moot point, as very soon 300 mph cars will only be seen on a racetrack, or in a museum.

The Autobahn speed limit has been on the verge of being introduced for decades now, but, much to the annoyance of some, most of the Autobahn is limit free.

[NMNeil]

gigglebug said:

Or they could still be seen on the road as it isn't 2022 yet, if you hadn't noticed, these are not going to be new cars at that point (the very basis on which the planned legislation you have highlighted exists) and they don't have to do 300mph every time they are driven, as if that really should need pointing out to you?? So what exactly will prevent this car, or the Chiron, from being used on the road at that point - 2022? You might also want to wake up to the fact that the world is still a far larger place than Europe, although well done for recognising there is at least more than one country. This particular car is American don't you know - USA!!! USA!!! - so the use of fast cars still wouldn't be bound by a couple of pieces of possible legislation which only cover one area of the globe. I am positive that race tracks/venues will continue to exist going forward, and I expect that they will become ever more prevelant as time goes on to provide for those who still wish to exploit their cars safely at high speed so the only real moot point here is your continued belief that you have a relevant point at all.

Edited by gigglebug on Tuesday 27th October 18:38

Seems I hit a nerve.
As for using a 300mph car on the public roads after speed limiters are introduced, it will just make them easier to spot. And you never know, they could start crushing the cars of offenders who race on the public roads, as some already want.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/cru...
Yes the Tuatara is made in the USA, but it's not even on the list to be crashed for 2021.And until it is, they can't be sold here for road use.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/2021-vehicles...
The Federal crash test is mandatory before any new production car can be sold in the USA.
Finally, your nonsense of just because it can go at 300mph doesn't mean that it will be driven at 300mph; why else would anyone buy one? It's not for it's spacious boot or it's incredible fuel economy, it's because it can go fast.
I own a couple of semi auto AK-47's, and if I said I want them to be fitted with100 round drum magazines and be full auto, but promised never to use them on full auto, would you believe me?, of course not, and rightly so.
Same as a 300mph car.