RE: 11,500lb ft Hummer EV lands
Discussion
Otispunkmeyer said:
Anyway, its quite a shame its been wasted on some extravagant toy monster truck instead of being put into a more relevant car. Heck, they could have made a decent SUV instead and it would have been a better use of time/resources.
Funnily enough, there's a method to the madness.This vehicle is the first developed on the Ultium system of batteries and propulsion units --- EV technology with which General Motors is pivoting the entire company.
Ultium cells are modular: They can be stacked both horizontally and vertically. Battery management is wireless.
GM claims this allows Ultium solutions to be cost-effective for most vehicle segments and most price points.
Literally thousands of people have worked on Ultium. It's a global initiative touted by CEO Mary Barra and President Mark Reuss. Might have profound results.
Edited by unsprung on Thursday 22 October 07:53
Beefy59 said:
big_rob_sydney said:
A few points;
1. the million mile battery
2. I know of a great many ICE's that won't last that long
3. The relative simplicity of the EV
4. The fact that the energy source for these EV's are perfectly capable of coming from renewable sources, and many consumers are running them from their own PV panels + Tesla Powerwall infrastructure
5. If one looks at the cost structure, we see the cost of PV panels and battery storage have significantly decreased over time, and I expect to continue seeing this.
6. We also have additional, competing technologies, which look like they can offer orders-of-magnitude improvements, in the electrification space.
If only ICE had these attributes. They don't so they will be deader than disco.
Yes but... I haven't owned a petrol-powered car for years due to cost / distances driven, but modern petrol-powered engineering has made HUGE steps over the last 10-20 years! And it continues. Consider1. the million mile battery
2. I know of a great many ICE's that won't last that long
3. The relative simplicity of the EV
4. The fact that the energy source for these EV's are perfectly capable of coming from renewable sources, and many consumers are running them from their own PV panels + Tesla Powerwall infrastructure
5. If one looks at the cost structure, we see the cost of PV panels and battery storage have significantly decreased over time, and I expect to continue seeing this.
6. We also have additional, competing technologies, which look like they can offer orders-of-magnitude improvements, in the electrification space.
If only ICE had these attributes. They don't so they will be deader than disco.
1. Modern cars don't generally rust away or fall to pieces before several hundred thousand miles
2. Remember gapping points etc? - modern electronics make cars much simpler than they were.
3. Changing spark plugs at 12,000 miles? My last petrol car (1991 Taurus SHO) went 100,000 miles on a set of plugs. Oil changes at 6,000? My old diesel goes 20k between changes.
4. Pending savings not so great because ICE technology is more mature - but every year there are new savings, and modern petrol mpg is out of this world compared with just a few years ago.
5. Electric is a competing technology against all the other "driving" technologies - and being "perfectly capable" of coming from renewable is purely theoretical, depending on priorities...
I'd just point out that charging a car from your own PV and battery store is not purely theoretical. There are a great many consumers doing this today, and particularly in warmer climates. Unfortunately, the amount of sun here in the UK isn't great, but there are many other countries where this is perfectly viable, and indeed is being done in the real world, as opposed to your purely theoretical insistence.
Bloxxcreative said:
hopefully stays in USA.
This vehicle was conceived for the generous spaces typical of the Sun Belt:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt
Its cities and suburbs are responsible for half of all economic growth in the US. And most of the new jobs.
You were never a consideration.
Ares said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
louiebaby said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
This is not true. You need to add up the fuel used/emissions produced for EVERY single litre of fuel which is delivered to every single fuel station in the world. The transportation of petrol/diesel is an energy consuming act in itself, and is often overlooked. The fuel used in simply getting fuel to the pump is huge.
Indeed. I agree entirely.But where do you stop? Do you have to pro-rata the emissions related to the steel production of the oil rigs?
There is a whole fossil fuel infrastructure that is already 'paid' for.
The infrastructure necessary to migrate to practical BEV solutions is huge and needs to be considered in eco case for EVs. There's no pont saving a few million tonnes if you're 'spending' billions to achieve it.
I'm not anti EV or pro ICE. Just anti policy based on bad science.
Mattyc88 said:
Polestar are pushing for this kind of transparency in the overall life of an EV Vs a conventional combustion engine vehicle. It's worth a read. I think a lot of eco-minded EV drivers would be surprised to see how little they've saved in their overall carbon footprint.
So by the EU average the P2 would be carbon emission equivalent by 50,000 miles. The UK is greener, and greening faster than the EU average, so you're looking at about 45,000 miles on UK grid.Assuming you're not using domestic PV (which wouldn't be included in grid).
That's also ignoring the other emissions that come from tailpipes that pollute locally, and the huge benefits EVs bring in that regard.
Aletsch said:
..What made me laugh most was the underbody cameras. Who goes off-roading on perfectly cleaned and dry surfaces? The cameras may continue to work for a long time, but you won't be seeing anything other than dirt or mud after the first minute off-road...
In a video I watched, it was mentioned that each camera can be cleaned by a push of a button. The cleaning system uses the windshield washer reservoir.I love the way the threads about EVs from mass market manufacturers go these days.
The VW one pointed out how a practical SUV that gets to 60 in 8 seconds is exactly what people want, basically an electric version of what they already have.
Tesla fanboys shout it down as being “too slow”.
GM announce an EV truck that gets to 60 in 3 seconds, looks way better (i.e. is legal) than a Cybertruck so the shouting down changes to “GM don’t know what they are doing, Tesla build way more EVs than GM”.
What they don’t realise is that this is the start of GM’s electrification plan. They are learning how to move their entire line-up to EV which takes a while to do. Once they, and the other mass market manufacturers do that, Tesla are irrelevant.
Which of course “was what Musk wanted to do”
The VW one pointed out how a practical SUV that gets to 60 in 8 seconds is exactly what people want, basically an electric version of what they already have.
Tesla fanboys shout it down as being “too slow”.
GM announce an EV truck that gets to 60 in 3 seconds, looks way better (i.e. is legal) than a Cybertruck so the shouting down changes to “GM don’t know what they are doing, Tesla build way more EVs than GM”.
What they don’t realise is that this is the start of GM’s electrification plan. They are learning how to move their entire line-up to EV which takes a while to do. Once they, and the other mass market manufacturers do that, Tesla are irrelevant.
Which of course “was what Musk wanted to do”
RDMcG said:
Hummer is not a bad name for an EV
Bravo. 
A weird thing has happened.
There is now an American SUV that I would actually be happy to have parked on my drive. Admittedly, there would be no room to park anything else on my drive, but still. I actually like this.
In fact, I quite like this regardless of it's motive power.
As i said, the Bronco is the small one and it is chest height. This is very "Team America" spec.
Look at the size of the bloke driving it in comparison to the vehicle.
The novelty of a car/4x4 that is the width, length of a 5 t truck gets very wearing when your driving of it gets dictated by parking it or places you can't drive it.
This is the man maths of buying a Limo
Look at the size of the bloke driving it in comparison to the vehicle.
The novelty of a car/4x4 that is the width, length of a 5 t truck gets very wearing when your driving of it gets dictated by parking it or places you can't drive it.
This is the man maths of buying a Limo
sisu said:
As i said, the Bronco is the small one and it is chest height. This is very "Team America" spec.
F*ck Yeah!sisu said:
The novelty of a car/4x4 that is the width, length of a 5 t truck gets very wearing when your driving of it gets dictated by parking it or places you can't drive it.
Much less of an obstacle in its intended market.big_rob_sydney said:
BNC47 said:
Being a bit of dino when it comes to EVs, all the leccy that will be used to recharge BEVs, how is it generated?
Since I'm not 'down with the kids', WTF does PV stand for?
Sorry for ignorance.
PV = photo voltaicSince I'm not 'down with the kids', WTF does PV stand for?
Sorry for ignorance.
The solar panels normally on someone's roof.
So, given how many of us are solar powered, BEVs are, for the most part, ultimately powered by coal, oil, or gas.
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