SSC Tuatara Top Speed run apparently faked?
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formula photography said:
Pommy said:
On the response from SSC that the wrong video was uploaded (using what they say is the right telemetry video), why did the driver do a few celebratory fist pumps if that wasn't actually the video of the record run?...
Possibly an earlier run. Could have broken the record marginally for the first time in the day, even if there was more to give and he knew he'd be doing more runs I know I'd be pretty chuffed with it.Been following Webb for a while on instagram and he does like to play up to the cameras a bit (Don't blame him he's not too shabby behind a wheel hahaha) so he it might just be a mix of that and adrenaline. From the reports of how it was acting at high speeds, I wouldn't be surprised if he's just celebrating being able to slow down lol
I don't think anyone thinks Webb is a problem in this. The issue is that the SSC team not only clouded out the Speedo and other dials for the video which has Webb celebrating something and even in that video it looked much slower than the Koenigsegg video so that video looks nowhere near a record run either.
If SSCs latest statement is to be believed, that's some fairly impressive incompetence that they are openly admitting to. They're also saying that they can't submit to Guinness yet as they are waiting for 3rd party evidence (witness statements from the two currently anonymous witnesses), and also appear to be having trouble piecing together the correct telemetry and video with any sort of speed.
The first press release immediately named a third party (Dewetron) who have since distanced themselves from the attempt. The second attempt names another third party in the first sentence (Driven Studios) and seems to lay the blame squarely with them. Bit of a pattern emerging.
I'm not really sure what they are trying to say though, the live laptop data in the car seemed to match the overlay, but they seem to be implying the overlay doesn't match the footage..? How many runs were there that it was possible to get the telemetry muddled up with the footage, and if that's the case isn't it pretty remarkable that the wrong footage and 'correct' telemetry still syncs up quite nicely in terms of the acceleration period etc?
Given the monumental occasion surely somebody from SSC who was there would have noticed after seeing the final edit that what they were seeing was not the correct combination of footage?!
The first press release immediately named a third party (Dewetron) who have since distanced themselves from the attempt. The second attempt names another third party in the first sentence (Driven Studios) and seems to lay the blame squarely with them. Bit of a pattern emerging.
I'm not really sure what they are trying to say though, the live laptop data in the car seemed to match the overlay, but they seem to be implying the overlay doesn't match the footage..? How many runs were there that it was possible to get the telemetry muddled up with the footage, and if that's the case isn't it pretty remarkable that the wrong footage and 'correct' telemetry still syncs up quite nicely in terms of the acceleration period etc?
Given the monumental occasion surely somebody from SSC who was there would have noticed after seeing the final edit that what they were seeing was not the correct combination of footage?!
ch37 said:
I'm not really sure what they are trying to say though, the live laptop data in the car seemed to match the overlay, but they seem to be implying the overlay doesn't match the footage..? How many runs were there that it was possible to get the telemetry muddled up with the footage, and if that's the case isn't it pretty remarkable that the wrong footage and 'correct' telemetry still syncs up quite nicely in terms of the acceleration period etc?
Yeah, ditto. I don’t understand how the statement explains the issue away either. The telemetry on the laptop in the footage matches the overlay, so still massive issues. Maybe this Driven Studios refused or forgot to speed up the video footage 
I see Topgear have published a piece saying they just reported it basically.
Isn't the kindest thing to say is that SSC have learned a lot about how NOT to document a speed record, and therefore the only solution now is to get the right people, equipment and backup systems, and observers in place and do it again.
However, the thing that worries me is what Michelin have said about the tyres. Ignore that an the potential for a tragedy is very read. No one wants to see that.
Isn't the kindest thing to say is that SSC have learned a lot about how NOT to document a speed record, and therefore the only solution now is to get the right people, equipment and backup systems, and observers in place and do it again.
However, the thing that worries me is what Michelin have said about the tyres. Ignore that an the potential for a tragedy is very read. No one wants to see that.
usn90 said:
Can I ask, if Webb is not involved in the conspiracy, why they have blurred the speedo?, surely the driver would have seen this
They've explained..."“We became aware during testing the week leading up to the record attempt that the driver display was off by approximately 14-15mph at 200mph. We were not sure how inaccurate the display would be at 300mph and beyond and we had always planned on relying solely on the precision of the satellite data to record and display speed since we knew the driver display speed would not be as accurate at those speeds. The original design specification for the driver display had a maximum top speed reading of 301 because beyond our record run we never envisioned someone trying to go that fast! But rest assured, regardless of whether or not our customers will ever try to achieve over 300mph, chassis #1 and all future Tuataras will be programmed to read up to 350mph.”
Doesn't fill you with confidence does it!
ch37 said:
The original design specification for the driver display had a maximum top speed reading of 301 because beyond our record run we never envisioned someone trying to go that fast!
This doesn't really make sense as surely the code just displays a number using a font. Maybe at 1000 it might fall over from the extra number, but unless each value is a separate image file, it shouldn't have any problems displaying all the way up to 999.Probably already posted:
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ssc-responds-331m...
Lots of ifs, buts, and maybe's to confirm everyone's suspicions. TG & Motortrend have been made to look stupid which is the main issue I have with this whole thing - other than that, SSC has had the publicity and as the saying goes - all publicity is good publicity.
https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ssc-responds-331m...
Lots of ifs, buts, and maybe's to confirm everyone's suspicions. TG & Motortrend have been made to look stupid which is the main issue I have with this whole thing - other than that, SSC has had the publicity and as the saying goes - all publicity is good publicity.
Robert Mitchell (Apex owner) released a new vid with Shmee and Misha talking about the press releases. Looks to be prior to Shelby's statement (which I agree looks like they've just reverse engineered the maths).
https://youtu.be/F13MrkZsl3c
lol pretty dumb move by Motortrend
https://youtu.be/F13MrkZsl3c
lol pretty dumb move by Motortrend
ch37 said:
They've explained...
"“We became aware during testing the week leading up to the record attempt that the driver display was off by approximately 14-15mph at 200mph. We were not sure how inaccurate the display would be at 300mph and beyond and we had always planned on relying solely on the precision of the satellite data to record and display speed since we knew the driver display speed would not be as accurate at those speeds. The original design specification for the driver display had a maximum top speed reading of 301 because beyond our record run we never envisioned someone trying to go that fast! But rest assured, regardless of whether or not our customers will ever try to achieve over 300mph, chassis #1 and all future Tuataras will be programmed to read up to 350mph.”
Doesn't fill you with confidence does it!
Unbelievably thick. Emphasis on 'unbelievably'. "“We became aware during testing the week leading up to the record attempt that the driver display was off by approximately 14-15mph at 200mph. We were not sure how inaccurate the display would be at 300mph and beyond and we had always planned on relying solely on the precision of the satellite data to record and display speed since we knew the driver display speed would not be as accurate at those speeds. The original design specification for the driver display had a maximum top speed reading of 301 because beyond our record run we never envisioned someone trying to go that fast! But rest assured, regardless of whether or not our customers will ever try to achieve over 300mph, chassis #1 and all future Tuataras will be programmed to read up to 350mph.”
Doesn't fill you with confidence does it!
Their tag line is literally 'life begins at 300'. But not for the speedo I guess
Byker28i said:
There's a lot of reverse engineering of maths in that statement...
Yeah 100%, they've just pulled out of their arse whatever final drive ratio retrospectively matches the figures. Especially as when Misha worked out the true speeds based on the video and Google maps it *Exactly* matches the expected speeds using the 3.16 final drive ratio that everyone assumed they had been using as per CIMAs website. CIMA being the manufacturer of the transaxle and final drive they are using.
ch37 said:
If SSCs latest statement is to be believed, that's some fairly impressive incompetence that they are openly admitting to. They're also saying that they can't submit to Guinness yet as they are waiting for 3rd party evidence (witness statements from the two currently anonymous witnesses), and also appear to be having trouble piecing together the correct telemetry and video with any sort of speed.
On Monday, Amanda Marcus, Guinness World Record's North America public relations manager, told Motor Authority, "We are aware of the recent SSC Tuatara attempt although Guinness World Records was not present in any capacity, and we have not verified this as a new record."Guinness World Record's rules require independent third-party witnesses be onsite at the record attempt, verify the data, and certify they saw it. Corbin Harder, SSC creative director, told Motor Authority that the two independent witnesses were Brian Shoemake of Pahrump Lifemagazine and Nevada legislator Gregory Hafen II. SSC says it has the required verification but has yet to send it to Guinness.
SSC says it will meet Guinness World Record requirements regardless of whether or not it has an independent third party verify the satellite GPS data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
A bit of rabbit holing, and here are the two witnesses:
REDGTA said:
Isn't the kindest thing to say is that SSC have learned a lot about how NOT to document a speed record, and therefore the only solution now is to get the right people, equipment and backup systems, and observers in place and do it again.
They held the production car record for a few years and also contested multiple times too so they should be old hands at this!
Reverse engineering the maths digs you an even deeper hole.
Now SSC have to show video footage showing they hit 331mph, at around 8,600rpm and in 6th gear. They need to show clear unedited footage with no sound editing.
They've probably hired a VFX company that's why it's taking so long
Now SSC have to show video footage showing they hit 331mph, at around 8,600rpm and in 6th gear. They need to show clear unedited footage with no sound editing.
They've probably hired a VFX company that's why it's taking so long
harrylee1 said:
Reverse engineering the maths digs you an even deeper hole.
Now SSC have to show video footage showing they hit 331mph, at around 8,600rpm and in 6th gear. They need to show clear unedited footage with no sound editing.
They've probably hired a VFX company that's why it's taking so long
Problem is there were 3 runs, 3 videos already released.Now SSC have to show video footage showing they hit 331mph, at around 8,600rpm and in 6th gear. They need to show clear unedited footage with no sound editing.
They've probably hired a VFX company that's why it's taking so long
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