RE: Land Rover Defender 90 | UK Review

[Bill]

Hmmm, shame the seats don't fold flat.

[anonymous-user]

They must be a massive amount of sales cannibalisation between Defender, Discovery Sport, Discovery, Evoque, Velar and RRS.

[Burwood]

Byker28i said:

Saw one of these at Burford at the weekend. Not sure I like the styling currently, a bit too discovery, but the interior looked a nice place to be. I think it'll be one of those cars the styling grows on you although the white steel wheels looked strange and out of keeping with the car





Are tan interiors the latest fashion? Seen a few of these now

It's that god awful silver bumper which ruins the aesthetic. It's the same with the BMW X-Line range. You need to spend more to colour code it or make it black.

[take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey]

I live in the an area where there are about a lots of shoots. They seem to be selling very well...I've seen dozens over the last month.

But...reliability seems to be as folks expected. Yes this is one example, but the worry for JLR is that they can't seem to fix it...and it's a car that is getting a lot of media attention. It's a bit of a sorry tale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tlCaBBsoD8

167 miles and then check-engine light!

[hyphen]

Nice car.

Its a shame rear seats don't fold flat though

[oilit]

hyphen said:

Nice car.

Its a shame rear seats don't fold flat though

is that for real? if it is then that is an epic fail...

[cayman-black]

hyphen said:

Nice car.

Its a shame rear seats don't fold flat though

Can they be removed? That doesn't look good.

[The Mad Monk]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

I live in the an area where there are about a lots of shoots. They seem to be selling very well...I've seen dozens over the last month.

But...reliability seems to be as folks expected. Yes this is one example, but the worry for JLR is that they can't seem to fix it...and it's a car that is getting a lot of media attention. It's a bit of a sorry tale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tlCaBBsoD8

167 miles and then check-engine light!

That video is, er, um, well, shall we say enlightening?

But, to be honest, it doesn't tell us anything we didn't know already - did it?

[oilit]

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

I live in the an area where there are about a lots of shoots. They seem to be selling very well...I've seen dozens over the last month.

But...reliability seems to be as folks expected. Yes this is one example, but the worry for JLR is that they can't seem to fix it...and it's a car that is getting a lot of media attention. It's a bit of a sorry tale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tlCaBBsoD8

167 miles and then check-engine light!

I would reject that - what an awful experience - but not unusual for many JLR owners.

[Mammasaid]

Honeywell said:

Nuts pricing.

Have you seen the price of modern tractors? This is spare change in comparison,

https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/farm-tractor/1...

[CS Garth]

Burwood said:

Byker28i said:

Saw one of these at Burford at the weekend. Not sure I like the styling currently, a bit too discovery, but the interior looked a nice place to be. I think it'll be one of those cars the styling grows on you although the white steel wheels looked strange and out of keeping with the car





Are tan interiors the latest fashion? Seen a few of these now

It's that god awful silver bumper which ruins the aesthetic. It's the same with the BMW X-Line range. You need to spend more to colour code it or make it black.

The number plate is a little try hard for me - I imagine the owner has a lot of JB merch (and this is the set of toenail clippers that James uses in an early uncut scene of Casino Royale....)

[Fetchez la vache]

It looks as though the rear seats don't fold down flat. In this day and age that's a bit of an own goal, surely?

[wastedyouth86]

Not sure if it is the angle but that boot looks really small, and because of the high window it wouldn't be great to put dogs in the back. My guess will be that the 3 door will die off as a lot of manufacturers have killed off 3 door cars, Land Rover even did with the Evoque and the never to be seen 3 door range rover.

[ntiz]

Fetchez la vache said:

It looks as though the rear seats don't fold down flat. In this day and age that's a bit of an own goal, surely?

Not sure about the 90 but in the Carwow video of the 110 the base of the seat can flipped forward then lower the back to create a flat floor.

[AndyDefault]

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

They must be a massive amount of sales cannibalisation between Defender, Discovery Sport, Discovery, Evoque, Velar and RRS.

I was thinking that. But then the same can be said for for a lot of marques these days - Audi / BMW / Mercedes in particular.

[anonymous-user]

Howard1650 said:

Price: from £75,475 – wow this is nuts.

I'm sure this is very capable vehicle, but does it really have a market at that price.
Too expensive to be a farming tool where there are equally good but far cheaper options.
And too expensive for the lifestyle market, at this price point you have a lot of choice of ‘bigger bling’ .

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 28th October 07:58

No it's not. I'm not saying it's cheap, but this isn't a utility farm vehicle anymore. I don't understand why people dont understand that.

RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:

They must be a massive amount of sales cannibalisation between Defender, Discovery Sport, Discovery, Evoque, Velar and RRS.

That doesn't make any sense. As long as they're buying a LR product it doesn't really matter. They're all pretty much share parts throughout and all sell well so it's a bit of a moot point.

[dukebox9reg]

The Mad Monk said:

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:

I live in the an area where there are about a lots of shoots. They seem to be selling very well...I've seen dozens over the last month.

But...reliability seems to be as folks expected. Yes this is one example, but the worry for JLR is that they can't seem to fix it...and it's a car that is getting a lot of media attention. It's a bit of a sorry tale.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tlCaBBsoD8

167 miles and then check-engine light!

That video is, er, um, well, shall we say enlightening?

But, to be honest, it doesn't tell us anything we didn't know already - did it?

They also have a model Y where the boot/roof didn't align in the slightest and the rear door didnt open. It took 3 visits to the dealer to fix.
Their brand new Corvette C8 is also broken.

I have been watching their channel for years, nearly every single new car they have has teething problems so getting the pitch forks out for 1 new defender having some minor issues (coil packs and ECU not letting the cameras work, not the end of the bloody world) is a little short sighted and seems to be typical of the anti-JLR brigade.

So dont just focus on the Defender, most new cars always have some minor bugs to sort, It been known for years, if you want a new released car that works with no bugs, dont buy the first MY.

[Beyond Rational]

I could see users of a 90 having the rear seats down a lot of the time, and as highlighted above, the lack of a level cargo area seems a massive fail..plus it looks like they just slapped on a piece of extrusion / trunking they had lying around.

[dukebox9reg]

Argleton said:

Howard1650 said:

Price: from £75,475 – wow this is nuts.

I'm sure this is very capable vehicle, but does it really have a market at that price.
Too expensive to be a farming tool where there are equally good but far cheaper options.
And too expensive for the lifestyle market, at this price point you have a lot of choice of ‘bigger bling’ .

Edited by Howard1650 on Wednesday 28th October 07:58

No it's not. I'm not saying it's cheap, but this isn't a utility farm vehicle anymore. I don't understand why people dont understand that.

Exactly, that is where the pick-up market is nowadays and there is no chance really of breaking into the 30k pickup market really is there. Far too established, Fiat and Renault tried, failed miserably. VW and Merc aren't doing too bad but at a much higher price point so not targeted at these mythical farmers looking for a defender replacement with no NVH, having to drive with your arm out the window, dreadful fuel economy etc

[ettore]

dukeboy749r said:

What, or rather who, is the target market for these?

A 130mph 'rugged off-roader'. It's not a Range Rover for the new money set and whereas the older Defenders had cache if you were a landowner/game warder, wouldn't you pick a full fat RR for taking your mates to the next location or around your estate?

Plenty of older models still chugging around having gone from former military use to ferrying school kids, or getting electricians to remote power lines which have keeled over. Many people could afford to buy one new, or second hand and just use it for years. They did the job, were cheap enough new to be more like a 'mass market' vehicle, and long-lived enough to just be battered around and no-one cared.

However, the new models at these price points, the military's budget (even for the most basic utilitarian version) will be gone in a heartbeat and it must be a relatively small pool of people willing to fork out this much for what amounts to what is supposed to be the work-horse model of their line-up.

Just feels like they might have made a gem, but only a few people will buy one.

Or, alternatively, they've made a gem and know exactly who will buy them. These are selling well - don't see that changing.