RE: Jaguar E-Pace gets drastic mid-life overhaul
Discussion
Motormatt said:
Completely agree, and whilst the facelift improves the look slightly, I just don’t see these as superior to any similar offerings from Nissan, Kia etc which are much better value. A step too far in the wrong direction verging on brand damaging in my opinion.
Again this is an X1, Q5 rival. An X1 M-Sport 184bhp is over 35k before touching any options, Audi Q3 sport 190 35k before any spec, S-line 37k.Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.
dukebox9reg said:
Again this is an X1, Q5 rival. An X1 M-Sport 184bhp is over 35k before touching any options, Audi Q3 sport 190 35k before any spec, S-line 37k.
Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.
I was looking at the Dynamic. Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.
TBH I think £40k+ for any car such as these is ludicrous.
I don't think Jaguar can compete at the same price RRP price point with the X1/Q3 because of their stronger residuals. Hence you can't lease or finance the Jaguar at anything like the same cost.
It's doomed to failure unless they make it conspicuously good value and get the total cost of ownership down (lower PCH/PCP and absolute amount of depreciation reduced).
It's the same story as for the XE/XF - which is why they've never succeeded against the prestige German competition.
My parents have the outgoing P300 E-Pace. I’m not fond of it. This seems much the same really; the ‘new’ platform / facelift confusion also puzzled many when the Discovery Sport got the same treatment.
This also seems odd in that their ‘sportiest’ one, the 300 Sport, is slower than the hybrid P300e.
This also seems odd in that their ‘sportiest’ one, the 300 Sport, is slower than the hybrid P300e.
threespires said:
Yes, that confuses me too.
Jaguar........
Why no dealer in Brum?
It seems odd to me that they don't have a dealer in the city where most of them are built.
Epace is built in Graz, and sister cars Evoque/disco sport built in Merseyside. Jaguar........
Why no dealer in Brum?
It seems odd to me that they don't have a dealer in the city where most of them are built.
But there's a dealer in Solihull and Erdington , both near factories where that make Jaguars and one in Cov near the old browns lane plant?
j90gta said:
Maybe it's just me but I think it looks like something out of the Hyundai/Kia stable. Either that's a sign of how much they've improved or how much Jaguar have gone the other way!
It's how much they've improved. Hyundai & Kia produce better stuff than this plus a 7year 100k mile warranty. Something which would bankrupt jaguar.. dukebox9reg said:
Motormatt said:
Completely agree, and whilst the facelift improves the look slightly, I just don’t see these as superior to any similar offerings from Nissan, Kia etc which are much better value. A step too far in the wrong direction verging on brand damaging in my opinion.
Again this is an X1, Q5 rival. An X1 M-Sport 184bhp is over 35k before touching any options, Audi Q3 sport 190 35k before any spec, S-line 37k.Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.
In 2017 the then-new E-Pace was "based on a steel platform that can trace its heritage back at least a decade" and the P300's kerbweight of 1894kg was 'troubling... downright distressing' in its magnitude.
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2019-ja...
In 2020 the E-Pace is described as being on a "new platform" that is "hopefully ... the E-Pace we were promised from the start". The P300's kerbweight is now 1952kg.
I wonder if they've fixed the DPF failed regen problem from the D8 platform ?
https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2019-ja...
In 2020 the E-Pace is described as being on a "new platform" that is "hopefully ... the E-Pace we were promised from the start". The P300's kerbweight is now 1952kg.
I wonder if they've fixed the DPF failed regen problem from the D8 platform ?
A1VDY said:
None of those listed are 'premium', they're just mainstream run of the mill cars available on the drip to most anybody..
'Available to anybody' and 'premium' are not mutually exclusive. 'Premium' is the term used because the cars are priced higher than more mainstream brands in the segment, and they usually have better materials, NVH etc. That's why they are called 'premium'. You won't find the same level of scratchy hard plastics of say a Kia Sportage in any of the aforementioned 'premium' models, but whether you care for details like that is up to you.dukebox9reg said:
Deranged Rover said:
Nope. Still don't like it.
And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
They have had the 9 speed from the beginning along with the disco sport and Evoque in later life. Same box used by Jeep/Fiat again for many years. Box is also a ZF. Guess you dont like Fords 10 speed.......And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
Its really an 8 speed. 1st gear is there for offroading as no low range. Car hardly uses it in normal driving conditions
StuntmanMike said:
dukebox9reg said:
Deranged Rover said:
Nope. Still don't like it.
And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
They have had the 9 speed from the beginning along with the disco sport and Evoque in later life. Same box used by Jeep/Fiat again for many years. Box is also a ZF. Guess you dont like Fords 10 speed.......And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
Its really an 8 speed. 1st gear is there for offroading as no low range. Car hardly uses it in normal driving conditions
Andeh1 said:
StuntmanMike said:
dukebox9reg said:
Deranged Rover said:
Nope. Still don't like it.
And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
They have had the 9 speed from the beginning along with the disco sport and Evoque in later life. Same box used by Jeep/Fiat again for many years. Box is also a ZF. Guess you dont like Fords 10 speed.......And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
Its really an 8 speed. 1st gear is there for offroading as no low range. Car hardly uses it in normal driving conditions
sebdangerfield said:
Andeh1 said:
StuntmanMike said:
dukebox9reg said:
Deranged Rover said:
Nope. Still don't like it.
And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
They have had the 9 speed from the beginning along with the disco sport and Evoque in later life. Same box used by Jeep/Fiat again for many years. Box is also a ZF. Guess you dont like Fords 10 speed.......And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
Its really an 8 speed. 1st gear is there for offroading as no low range. Car hardly uses it in normal driving conditions
Same goes for these silly geared cars. With some of them now effectively able to skip gears you might only ever use the even number gears in normal driving but means you have the 'right' gear for more scenarios which means a more efficient car. I remember my dads old 4 spd autos going up hills towing, any hill, the box would hunt madly up and down gears constantly as too much in one gear and too low in the next
dukebox9reg said:
Motormatt said:
Completely agree, and whilst the facelift improves the look slightly, I just don’t see these as superior to any similar offerings from Nissan, Kia etc which are much better value. A step too far in the wrong direction verging on brand damaging in my opinion.
Again this is an X1, Q5 rival. An X1 M-Sport 184bhp is over 35k before touching any options, Audi Q3 sport 190 35k before any spec, S-line 37k.Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.
rlg43p said:
I was looking at the Dynamic.
TBH I think £40k+ for any car such as these is ludicrous.
I don't think Jaguar can compete at the same price RRP price point with the X1/Q3 because of their stronger residuals. Hence you can't lease or finance the Jaguar at anything like the same cost.
It's doomed to failure unless they make it conspicuously good value and get the total cost of ownership down (lower PCH/PCP and absolute amount of depreciation reduced).
It's the same story as for the XE/XF - which is why they've never succeeded against the prestige German competition.
Though the high depreciation is great for those of us that buy cars 3 - 4 years old, got my 4 year old xfr with 18K miles for 40K less than the original list price.TBH I think £40k+ for any car such as these is ludicrous.
I don't think Jaguar can compete at the same price RRP price point with the X1/Q3 because of their stronger residuals. Hence you can't lease or finance the Jaguar at anything like the same cost.
It's doomed to failure unless they make it conspicuously good value and get the total cost of ownership down (lower PCH/PCP and absolute amount of depreciation reduced).
It's the same story as for the XE/XF - which is why they've never succeeded against the prestige German competition.
Not a bad looking thing but I couldn’t pick out what’s been changed on the outside.
The whole naming scheme was a mistake IMHO.
I’m half way interested in Jags but I couldn’t be arsed to remember which is which and so they all just became ‘some Jag SUV’ in my head.
A bit of a waste of the hours of toil spent on making these individual vehicles in the first place.
The whole naming scheme was a mistake IMHO.
I’m half way interested in Jags but I couldn’t be arsed to remember which is which and so they all just became ‘some Jag SUV’ in my head.
A bit of a waste of the hours of toil spent on making these individual vehicles in the first place.
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