RE: Jaguar E-Pace gets drastic mid-life overhaul

RE: Jaguar E-Pace gets drastic mid-life overhaul

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CheckEngine

231 posts

160 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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I think Jaguar got the badges mixed up. Surely E Pace should be electric and I Pace should be ICE.

dukebox9reg

1,570 posts

147 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Motormatt said:
Completely agree, and whilst the facelift improves the look slightly, I just don’t see these as superior to any similar offerings from Nissan, Kia etc which are much better value. A step too far in the wrong direction verging on brand damaging in my opinion.
Again this is an X1, Q5 rival. An X1 M-Sport 184bhp is over 35k before touching any options, Audi Q3 sport 190 35k before any spec, S-line 37k.

Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.


threespires

4,289 posts

210 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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CheckEngine said:
I think Jaguar got the badges mixed up. Surely E Pace should be electric and I Pace should be ICE.
Yes, that confuses me too.
Jaguar........
Why no dealer in Brum?
It seems odd to me that they don't have a dealer in the city where most of them are built.

rlg43p

1,193 posts

248 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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dukebox9reg said:
Again this is an X1, Q5 rival. An X1 M-Sport 184bhp is over 35k before touching any options, Audi Q3 sport 190 35k before any spec, S-line 37k.

Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.
I was looking at the Dynamic.

TBH I think £40k+ for any car such as these is ludicrous.

I don't think Jaguar can compete at the same price RRP price point with the X1/Q3 because of their stronger residuals. Hence you can't lease or finance the Jaguar at anything like the same cost.

It's doomed to failure unless they make it conspicuously good value and get the total cost of ownership down (lower PCH/PCP and absolute amount of depreciation reduced).

It's the same story as for the XE/XF - which is why they've never succeeded against the prestige German competition.

TomCooper

547 posts

168 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Great looking car and a solid refresh inside & out. The best looking new Jag on sale (bar an F-Type) IMO

Honestly can't see when there's so much hate for it here wobble

David87

6,648 posts

211 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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My parents have the outgoing P300 E-Pace. I’m not fond of it. This seems much the same really; the ‘new’ platform / facelift confusion also puzzled many when the Discovery Sport got the same treatment.

This also seems odd in that their ‘sportiest’ one, the 300 Sport, is slower than the hybrid P300e.

JonnyVTEC

3,000 posts

174 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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Sporty one will have that sustained performance element and lighter. Seems fair enough to me.

jagfan2

391 posts

176 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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threespires said:
Yes, that confuses me too.
Jaguar........
Why no dealer in Brum?
It seems odd to me that they don't have a dealer in the city where most of them are built.
Epace is built in Graz, and sister cars Evoque/disco sport built in Merseyside.

But there's a dealer in Solihull and Erdington , both near factories where that make Jaguars and one in Cov near the old browns lane plant?

A1VDY

3,575 posts

126 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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j90gta said:
Maybe it's just me but I think it looks like something out of the Hyundai/Kia stable. Either that's a sign of how much they've improved or how much Jaguar have gone the other way!
It's how much they've improved. Hyundai & Kia produce better stuff than this plus a 7year 100k mile warranty. Something which would bankrupt jaguar..

A1VDY

3,575 posts

126 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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dukebox9reg said:
Motormatt said:
Completely agree, and whilst the facelift improves the look slightly, I just don’t see these as superior to any similar offerings from Nissan, Kia etc which are much better value. A step too far in the wrong direction verging on brand damaging in my opinion.
Again this is an X1, Q5 rival. An X1 M-Sport 184bhp is over 35k before touching any options, Audi Q3 sport 190 35k before any spec, S-line 37k.

Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.
None of those listed are 'premium', they're just mainstream run of the mill cars available on the drip to most anybody..

anonymous-user

53 months

Wednesday 28th October 2020
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CheckEngine said:
I think Jaguar got the badges mixed up. Surely E Pace should be electric and I Pace should be ICE.
This always trips me up, I Pace should be E in my mind.

I hate to think it was because BMW called their Range i eg i3, i8 etc. And everything is better with an I..

samoht

5,631 posts

145 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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In 2017 the then-new E-Pace was "based on a steel platform that can trace its heritage back at least a decade" and the P300's kerbweight of 1894kg was 'troubling... downright distressing' in its magnitude.

https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/2019-ja...

In 2020 the E-Pace is described as being on a "new platform" that is "hopefully ... the E-Pace we were promised from the start". The P300's kerbweight is now 1952kg.

I wonder if they've fixed the DPF failed regen problem from the D8 platform ?

Mapt

18 posts

49 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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A1VDY said:
None of those listed are 'premium', they're just mainstream run of the mill cars available on the drip to most anybody..
'Available to anybody' and 'premium' are not mutually exclusive. 'Premium' is the term used because the cars are priced higher than more mainstream brands in the segment, and they usually have better materials, NVH etc. That's why they are called 'premium'. You won't find the same level of scratchy hard plastics of say a Kia Sportage in any of the aforementioned 'premium' models, but whether you care for details like that is up to you.

StuntmanMike

11,671 posts

150 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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dukebox9reg said:
Deranged Rover said:
Nope. Still don't like it.

And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
They have had the 9 speed from the beginning along with the disco sport and Evoque in later life. Same box used by Jeep/Fiat again for many years. Box is also a ZF. Guess you dont like Fords 10 speed.......

Its really an 8 speed. 1st gear is there for offroading as no low range. Car hardly uses it in normal driving conditions
How do cars need this ridiculous number of gears when Artics generally have 12 pulling 44 tonnes?

Andeh1

7,107 posts

205 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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StuntmanMike said:
dukebox9reg said:
Deranged Rover said:
Nope. Still don't like it.

And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
They have had the 9 speed from the beginning along with the disco sport and Evoque in later life. Same box used by Jeep/Fiat again for many years. Box is also a ZF. Guess you dont like Fords 10 speed.......

Its really an 8 speed. 1st gear is there for offroading as no low range. Car hardly uses it in normal driving conditions
How do cars need this ridiculous number of gears when Artics generally have 12 pulling 44 tonnes?
Because Lorries don't go above 56mph?

anonymous-user

53 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Andeh1 said:
StuntmanMike said:
dukebox9reg said:
Deranged Rover said:
Nope. Still don't like it.

And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
They have had the 9 speed from the beginning along with the disco sport and Evoque in later life. Same box used by Jeep/Fiat again for many years. Box is also a ZF. Guess you dont like Fords 10 speed.......

Its really an 8 speed. 1st gear is there for offroading as no low range. Car hardly uses it in normal driving conditions
How do cars need this ridiculous number of gears when Artics generally have 12 pulling 44 tonnes?
Because Lorries don't go above 56mph?
I've got the 9 speed in my car and it's pretty good tbh. Not quite as good as the ZF8 in my previous 330 which is odd but it is very good. Other than off road it's only gone into 1st a few times when making steep hill starts and it's quite noticeable as 1st is so much lower than 2nd. Other than very steep hills it always starts in 2nd.

dukebox9reg

1,570 posts

147 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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sebdangerfield said:
Andeh1 said:
StuntmanMike said:
dukebox9reg said:
Deranged Rover said:
Nope. Still don't like it.

And a nine speed automatic? FFS...
They have had the 9 speed from the beginning along with the disco sport and Evoque in later life. Same box used by Jeep/Fiat again for many years. Box is also a ZF. Guess you dont like Fords 10 speed.......

Its really an 8 speed. 1st gear is there for offroading as no low range. Car hardly uses it in normal driving conditions
How do cars need this ridiculous number of gears when Artics generally have 12 pulling 44 tonnes?
Because Lorries don't go above 56mph?
I've got the 9 speed in my car and it's pretty good tbh. Not quite as good as the ZF8 in my previous 330 which is odd but it is very good. Other than off road it's only gone into 1st a few times when making steep hill starts and it's quite noticeable as 1st is so much lower than 2nd. Other than very steep hills it always starts in 2nd.
Same reason why you have 21 speeds on you mountain bike and usually only use 3 gears. For normal riding your in 1/2 and as soon as you get on a flat, you go the 18th whatever. Downhill 21st, slight incline 8th. But you have those extra gears to make your more energy efficient, gradient becomes steeper you can get into 4th etc

Same goes for these silly geared cars. With some of them now effectively able to skip gears you might only ever use the even number gears in normal driving but means you have the 'right' gear for more scenarios which means a more efficient car. I remember my dads old 4 spd autos going up hills towing, any hill, the box would hunt madly up and down gears constantly as too much in one gear and too low in the next

Motormatt

483 posts

217 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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dukebox9reg said:
Motormatt said:
Completely agree, and whilst the facelift improves the look slightly, I just don’t see these as superior to any similar offerings from Nissan, Kia etc which are much better value. A step too far in the wrong direction verging on brand damaging in my opinion.
Again this is an X1, Q5 rival. An X1 M-Sport 184bhp is over 35k before touching any options, Audi Q3 sport 190 35k before any spec, S-line 37k.

Dont know what options you have picked or trim but I am sure do the same with the above (and it looks a damn sight better than the X1, and a tad more than the Audi to add) the price is on par. Its what the premium small SUV's cost.
But it’s just not a premium product. The same can be said of the BMW and Audi to be fair, although the Audi might at least have an interior befitting its price.

NortonES2

290 posts

47 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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rlg43p said:
I was looking at the Dynamic.

TBH I think £40k+ for any car such as these is ludicrous.

I don't think Jaguar can compete at the same price RRP price point with the X1/Q3 because of their stronger residuals. Hence you can't lease or finance the Jaguar at anything like the same cost.

It's doomed to failure unless they make it conspicuously good value and get the total cost of ownership down (lower PCH/PCP and absolute amount of depreciation reduced).

It's the same story as for the XE/XF - which is why they've never succeeded against the prestige German competition.
Though the high depreciation is great for those of us that buy cars 3 - 4 years old, got my 4 year old xfr with 18K miles for 40K less than the original list price.

swisstoni

16,844 posts

278 months

Thursday 29th October 2020
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Not a bad looking thing but I couldn’t pick out what’s been changed on the outside.

The whole naming scheme was a mistake IMHO.
I’m half way interested in Jags but I couldn’t be arsed to remember which is which and so they all just became ‘some Jag SUV’ in my head.

A bit of a waste of the hours of toil spent on making these individual vehicles in the first place.