RE: The best electric cars to buy in 2021
Discussion
As lockdown yr 2 commences, no one needs a car. No one needs an efficient one.
100,000’s must be sweating trying to keep the lease payments up on their cars, regardless of what they are furled by.
I have an EV. Only because it saves money. If you could buy one that ran on minced brexit voters or dogs, I’d buy that.
I’d imagine buying super expensive EV’s right now would be prudent as literally no one will be buying anything. Where are you going to drive to, to save money in yr EV?
100,000’s must be sweating trying to keep the lease payments up on their cars, regardless of what they are furled by.
I have an EV. Only because it saves money. If you could buy one that ran on minced brexit voters or dogs, I’d buy that.
I’d imagine buying super expensive EV’s right now would be prudent as literally no one will be buying anything. Where are you going to drive to, to save money in yr EV?
usualdog1 said:
How, in the name of all that's holy, has someone done 27,000 miles in that Twizzy!?
It's only a few thousand miles a year, so quite easy for someone living in a city to have racked up just doing the normal daily runabout stuff. The more bizarre one is the Tesla Roadster and the fact that PH wonders why the EV sports car is yet to take off. Yet the answer is in the next para with the fact that in ten years this example has done 15k miles. It's not a car that ever worked as a sports car. For the money required the typical potential owner lives in a city and by the time you've drive out of that city and reached the roads where a sports car is best used the battery is half empty and it's time to drive home.
There's a reason why the bulk of EVs are small battery backs in suburban runabouts or big battery packs in big SUBs. The tech does not exist yet to permit a sports car to be used as a sports car if it's powered by big clunky batteries.
Pleased to see the i3 on the list, our i3s is a genuinely great car for local driving and the commute. Quirky, very nippy, great steering, lovely minimilist interior and tardis like space inside. It's not without its faults, the ride is firm as already mentioned, the rear doors can be a pain in car parks and the boot is smallish.
While I love the look of the Honda E, it doesnt seem to beat the i3 at much (aside from ride maybe). The Tesla 3 does nothing for me, and if I wanted something bigger it would have to be the Polestar.
While I love the look of the Honda E, it doesnt seem to beat the i3 at much (aside from ride maybe). The Tesla 3 does nothing for me, and if I wanted something bigger it would have to be the Polestar.
Howard1650 said:
It has to be a Polestar 2. Best in the market at the moment.
No mention of the Tesla Model 3, the ID3 or the Polestar? All better than the offerings mentioned. Also, evaluating on a whole life cost basis (either per mile or per month) would be a more useful metric.I have a live interest in this topic as I am in the market for a replacement for my Model 3, which has been fun to drive, perfectly reliable over 18,000 miles and has cost a small fraction of its precursor PHEV to run, on either metric. At the moment the best replacement seems to be . . . . another Model 3.
The reasoning is a) the Tesla charging infrastructure remains superior to the alternatives, b) I will get a strong price for the one I sell and c) quite a few worthwhile improvements have been made in the past 18 months (probably 24 months by the time the replacement arrives).
Tin hat at the ready.
Meh list.
Model 3 standard head and shoulders above most of those and its not there
This is Pistonheads - any car on this list should be a decent steer with some character
So that the Leaf and the Zoe out.
The Twizzy is not a car in any useful sense - its an electric moped with 2 extra wheels
The Tesla roadster is niche limited run from years ago and I am not sure it was ever that good a car
Appear the Pistonheads don't have a lot of knowledge on electric cars - never seen an electric car feature in the PH fleet?
Model 3 standard head and shoulders above most of those and its not there
This is Pistonheads - any car on this list should be a decent steer with some character
So that the Leaf and the Zoe out.
The Twizzy is not a car in any useful sense - its an electric moped with 2 extra wheels
The Tesla roadster is niche limited run from years ago and I am not sure it was ever that good a car
Appear the Pistonheads don't have a lot of knowledge on electric cars - never seen an electric car feature in the PH fleet?
Not a great list.
Twizy? Err no.
I'd get a cheap 24kw Leaf over a Zoe, easier to find as most of the Zoes have rented batteries.
Dark Leaf interior means a heat pump heater - avoid the really early light-seated ones.
And I'd still get a 24kw Leaf over a 30kw Leaf as the smaller battery is supposedly more reliable.
And I'd get a Kia Soul over both in the 10k price bracket - had a Soul and the soft-riding Leaf and the Soul drives much better. Not sporty but pointier and better - and a 7 year warranty on everything.
15k - I'd look at a Hyundai Ioniq.
35k Honda e looks funky and has a fish tank but I have fallen in love with the new Fiat 500 'lectric cabrio - as a city car I can't see past that. It's awesome. It's a convertible (ish). I want one. My PH card? Take it. Or get a Model 3 if you can put up with the seats and the build.
Tesla S - at 50k you're probably stuck with the slower MCU1 (unless you pay 2.5-3k to upgrade) and short/no warranty unless it's recently come via Tesla used scheme - they used to add 2 or 4 years from resale date but keep changing it. New cars have/had 4 years from new so you'd be aiming at a late '17 plate to get a year left on it or go for a late 68 plate to get the MCU2 (easy way to tell - it has netflix), 2+ yr wty and other bits. We have had our Model S for six months and it's genuinely brilliant but it rattles, the rear seats are too low and the phantom braking is just plain dangerous.
Can't afford one but I would like to try a Taycan - but until the charging network has improved a bit more I'd stick with Tesla, 100k-worth of ICE (which gives you a LOT of options) or maybe a semi-planet-saving Panamera Turismo hybrid thingy which makes my knees go weak looking at it.
Twizy? Err no.
I'd get a cheap 24kw Leaf over a Zoe, easier to find as most of the Zoes have rented batteries.
Dark Leaf interior means a heat pump heater - avoid the really early light-seated ones.
And I'd still get a 24kw Leaf over a 30kw Leaf as the smaller battery is supposedly more reliable.
And I'd get a Kia Soul over both in the 10k price bracket - had a Soul and the soft-riding Leaf and the Soul drives much better. Not sporty but pointier and better - and a 7 year warranty on everything.
15k - I'd look at a Hyundai Ioniq.
35k Honda e looks funky and has a fish tank but I have fallen in love with the new Fiat 500 'lectric cabrio - as a city car I can't see past that. It's awesome. It's a convertible (ish). I want one. My PH card? Take it. Or get a Model 3 if you can put up with the seats and the build.
Tesla S - at 50k you're probably stuck with the slower MCU1 (unless you pay 2.5-3k to upgrade) and short/no warranty unless it's recently come via Tesla used scheme - they used to add 2 or 4 years from resale date but keep changing it. New cars have/had 4 years from new so you'd be aiming at a late '17 plate to get a year left on it or go for a late 68 plate to get the MCU2 (easy way to tell - it has netflix), 2+ yr wty and other bits. We have had our Model S for six months and it's genuinely brilliant but it rattles, the rear seats are too low and the phantom braking is just plain dangerous.
Can't afford one but I would like to try a Taycan - but until the charging network has improved a bit more I'd stick with Tesla, 100k-worth of ICE (which gives you a LOT of options) or maybe a semi-planet-saving Panamera Turismo hybrid thingy which makes my knees go weak looking at it.
I've always said EV's don't make economic or environmental sense right now.
- Limited range
- The Elec you put in isn't green enough
- They cost too much
- EV cars cost 1.5x a normal car (CO2) to produce
- Batteries aren't good enough
Worth watch this video from Harry's Garage.
In time they'll get there, but plenty of reason to stick with your ICE car today.
- Limited range
- The Elec you put in isn't green enough
- They cost too much
- EV cars cost 1.5x a normal car (CO2) to produce
- Batteries aren't good enough
Worth watch this video from Harry's Garage.
In time they'll get there, but plenty of reason to stick with your ICE car today.
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