RE: Lotus and Alpine team up for EV sports car

RE: Lotus and Alpine team up for EV sports car

Thursday 14th January 2021

Lotus and Alpine team up for EV sports car

They both make great cars individually; imagine what Alpine and Lotus might do together...



Since the launch of the Alpine A110, there have been innumerable comparisons made to Lotus's way of doing things. Both obviously favour the advantages of being small and light, and a joy to drive in Britain. And we've imagined, haven't we, what might happen with a bit of cross-pollination - an Alpine with a manual gearbox, a slightly more liveable Lotus and so on. Well, imagine no longer, because Alpine and Lotus have joined forces.

"As part of the Alpine Business Unit development, Groupe Renault and Group Lotus have signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to study a number of areas of cooperation, including the joint development of an EV sports car." As opening sentences for press releases go, that's a pretty significant one. Obviously the electric vehicle part of it is the key statement; Lotus has been there before (to some extent) with the Elise-based Tesla Roadster, and Renault has shown a long-standing commitment to EVs as part of the alliance with Nissan and Mitsubishi that should stand it in good stead. With their combined devotion to lightweighting, it's hard to think of two better brands to collaborate on making an electric sports car that's both fun to drive and doesn't weigh two tonnes.

There's more, too, as Alpine and Lotus are set to "explore the development of a joint services offer combining their engineering expertise." Once again, there's been more than enough expertise shown by both to make that a very interesting proposal. Because if an Alpine-Lotus sports car is as good as it has the potential to be, who wouldn't want to consult with them on how to produce something similar? A point is also made about a collaboration "to leverage Alpine's motorsport platform", covering everything from Formula 1 to Formula E; with Lotus about to embark on its electric era with the Evija, might an appearance for it in Formula E be a prudent marketing move?


There's plenty to consider already, then, and much to be excited by as well. Naturally it brings to mind the ill fated original Caterham-Alpine tie-up that should have produced another derivative of the A110 sports car, but there's surely cause for more optimism this time around, given the funding Lotus now enjoys. The obvious advantages of pooling resources (and reducing costs) to meet a fiendishly difficult near future challenges is clearly also front of mind.

Commenting on the news, Lotus CEO Phil Popham said: "Today's announcement is the first step in what is set to be a hugely rewarding collaboration between our iconic brands... Our companies have much in common - from a pioneering pedigree in lightweighting, to championship-winning sports cars which perform as impressively on the road as they do in the motorsports arena. It is a natural fit in many ways and the co-development of an EV sports car is hugely exciting... The joint-services element of our agreement will additionally make our engineering expertise available to those wishing to engage our innovations."

They were sentiments shared by Alpine CEO Laurent Rossi, who added: "Both brands have an amazing legacy and we are most excited to start this work together, from engineering tailored solutions to developing a next-generation EV sports car. This collaboration along with our transformation mark the beginning of a new era in which we'll be taking the Alpine name and line-up to the future."

With the ink presumably only just dry on the MoU, there's nothing set in stone just yet in terms of a product plan. Still, an Alpine-Lotus partnership sounds like a match made in heaven already, especially with the patent need for electric vehicles to shed some weight. And, let's be honest, to really appeal to enthusiasts as well. It's hard to image two better suited manufacturers, on paper at least. We can't wait to see what happens.







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dgswk

Original Poster:

892 posts

94 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Wow, I'm first! No comments yet about range, weight, not ICE blah blah blah.

Looks a very exciting match to be honest, two cars and manufactueres I've long admired (and owned - an Elise and a Zoe EV), I'm definitely following with open minded interest to see where this goes. Absolutely something I'd be looking to buy in the next couple of years.

ChrisCh86

849 posts

44 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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I'd love something to come of this, but I can't help think that this might be an impossible task. The batteries are simply too heavy.

Please prove me wrong Lotus / Alpine. smile

Equus

16,875 posts

101 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Sounds like really positive news!

Biggest problem might end up being deciding which of the marques' products to spend your money on...

CharlieAlphaMike

1,137 posts

105 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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I thought Lotus were all about 'adding lightness'...?

RemarkLima

2,374 posts

212 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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After having an i3, which is only 1350 kg, with 4 seats it's very much possible to get weight down and have a 180 mile range.

Personally, that drive train - 180 bhp - in an Elise would be absolutely perfect! I've had sports cars with worse range wink

Edited by RemarkLima on Thursday 14th January 10:22

skidskid

284 posts

141 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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I want to be positive about this but I cant see how its going to be a success because of range and cost.... hear me out....

My take is range wont be too high for a sports car because of the cars physical size of the car and battery weight, which isnt an issue in itself except where you'll drive this car has a lack of charging points. B roads etc. Cost is an issue because if your limited by range because of B roads lack of charging points then will people pay that much for a toy restricted to the home area?

I hope I'm proven wrong.

rodericb

6,735 posts

126 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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CharlieAlphaMike said:
I thought Lotus were all about 'adding lightness'...?
Now it'll be electric lightness.

Iamnotkloot

1,423 posts

147 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Would make sense as a convertible for when just mooching along, no nasty exhaust smells coming in when sat in traffic, can hear the birds etc when driving through the countryside. Not so sure as a full blooded, maximum attack thing though - you'd miss the engine noise.

However, sub 1300kg should be eminently doable - as a previous poster stated, if an i3 can do it, then Alpine/Lotus can (and probably better)

dgswk

Original Poster:

892 posts

94 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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RemarkLima said:
After having an i3, which is only 1350 kg, with 4 seats it's very much possible to get weight down and have a 180 mile range.

Personally, that drive train - 180 bhp - in an Elise would be absolutely perfect! I've had sports cars with worse range wink

Edited by RemarkLima on Thursday 14th January 10:22
Agreed, think the current 140bhp Zoe is 1500kg, so I guess same applies if they can get a few hundred kilos out of it and with renault volumes could keep the cost down. Batteries will get lighter and more efficient with time.

leglessAlex

5,443 posts

141 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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dgswk said:
...Batteries will get lighter and more efficient with time.
This is one of the key bits for me, I highly doubt Lotus and Alpine are looking at releasing something imminently.

I'm not mad about the idea of an electric sports car, but it will happen, and when it does I'd be pretty happy to buy something that was a result of a collaboration between these two companies.

Sure, it probably wont be light in the way the current Elise is, but it should be lighter than whatever the competition is making at least. I think that in future car enthusiasts will just have to take whatever wins we can get.

Jules Henry

51 posts

126 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Sounds like the final throes of the ICE lightweight sports car, I can't get my head around a light electric sports car, also with further news from Groupe Renault it's inevitable that the Alpine brand will be used on hatches, crossovers & SUV's, Alpine will just become a badge like Cupra or Abarth, Luca de Meo has form here. Fill your boots on the A110 while you still can

Jules Henry

51 posts

126 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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CharlieAlphaMike said:
I thought Lotus were all about 'adding lightness'...?
They added lightness to the business by selling that idea to Caterham

Olivera

7,131 posts

239 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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An EV sports car - oxymoron.

cedrichn

812 posts

51 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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"They both make great cars individually; imagine what Alpine and Lotus might do together..."

An EV ! cloud9cloud9cloud9cloud9cloud9cloud9




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bcr5784

7,109 posts

145 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Can't help feeling a hybrid would be a good way to start until batteries become a lot lighter. Use the electric motor to torque fill and give the typical 30 mile range of other hybrids.

simonrockman

6,852 posts

255 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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I suspect it's all about America. Renault and Alpine have no presence there, the F1 branding will help but the US doesn't really get F1 yet. The Lotus brand has some traction.

GingerMunky

1,166 posts

257 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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So the future is a Lotus F1 team and a Alpine B team wink
Great news for both companies, incredible cars, in a direction no one else is taking.
Lotus continue to go from strength to strength! Great for UK plc smile

Pumpsmynads

268 posts

156 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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CharlieAlphaMike said:
I thought Lotus were all about 'adding lightness'...?
Well they are removing an engine and a fuel tank.

highway

1,950 posts

260 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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Are solid state batteries, which will have superior range, lighter than lithium ion?

ddom

6,657 posts

48 months

Thursday 14th January 2021
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I wish them well but whenever I see collaborations like this, especially in respect of EV's it brings a certain amount of pessimism.