RE: BMW M confirms EV for 2021

[FTW]

Yuck

[wab172uk]

Greta will be pleased.

[CheesecakeRunner]

It’ll be interesting to see how they position the performance of the electric model against the performance of the combustion ones. Get it too far one way or the other, and they’ll either never sell an electric one, or they’ll wipe out their combustion market. It’ll need to pretty much post the exact same stats.

[dunnoreally]

wab172uk said:

Greta will be pleased.

No, Greta will be angry that the petrol variants still exist and some of us think we're being eco-friendly by buying the EV when we really ought to just be cycling and using public transport. among many other things.

Edited by dunnoreally on Tuesday 19th January 09:09

[big_rob_sydney]

CheesecakeRunner said:

It’ll be interesting to see how they position the performance of the electric model against the performance of the combustion ones. Get it too far one way or the other, and they’ll either never sell an electric one, or they’ll wipe out their combustion market.

Considering which way the world is going, which of those 2 options do you think is more likely?

[3795mpower]

I’m guessing it will be Chinese market friendly.

The only bit I’m interested in is which petrol powered //M car
It will out perform. That’s a tricky decision.

[rampageturke]

the range will still be under 200mile.

[GT119]

aston addict said:

pacdes said:

GT119 said:

I'd really like someone to explain to me what all the fuss is about.

It's a BMW, it's going have double kidney grilles, that you can just about bet your life on.

Three option:
1. Slim/tall kidney grilles (as seen on early BMWs).
2. Wide/flat kidney grilles over a separate mouth (done to death over the last 50 years).
3. Tall/wide kidney grilles.

Option 2 on a modern EV ends up looking exactly like the the iX3, obviously.
This is bland and unadventurous.

Therefore the only remain choice is option 3, what you see on the iX.
It's not exactly rocket science.

The problem is that the kidney's do not integrate with the rest of the front very well. Lexus have a large grill, Alpha and old BMW's had a portrait grill which all integrated better. I also think that if the grill was not an issue then there would be more negative comments about the bland side profile and let's not get onto the interiors. For a £70k plus car it just misses the mark. The back is nice though.

You’re spot on. The front - well enough said - but looking at the rear 3/4 view in that yellow - it just looks horrible - fat, bloaty and not a patch on previous designs.

M division sales last year saw huge increases in Russia, Korea and Italy and demand remains strong is the USA. It seems that a lot of posters on here still think that the car buying centre of the universe is a small village in Norfolk. The cars look the way they do because that's what the majority of the new car buying market wants, why is this so hard to understand.

[big_rob_sydney]

GT119 said:

M division sales last year saw huge increases in Russia, Korea and Italy and demand remains strong is the USA. It seems that a lot of posters on here still think that the car buying centre of the universe is a small village in Norfolk. The cars look the way they do because that's what the majority of the new car buying market wants, why is this so hard to understand.

Because a lot of people are too focused on their own shallow world and don't give a fig about anyone else.

[ate one too]

A significant amount of PHers do live in the equivalent of a small village in Norfolk where they all indulge in "B road blasting" in their small, light, manual gearboxed cars.

Such parochial attitudes don't align with the real, global, automotive world.

Edited by ate one too on Tuesday 19th January 11:15

[kiseca]

GT119 said:

aston addict said:

pacdes said:

GT119 said:

I'd really like someone to explain to me what all the fuss is about.

It's a BMW, it's going have double kidney grilles, that you can just about bet your life on.

Three option:
1. Slim/tall kidney grilles (as seen on early BMWs).
2. Wide/flat kidney grilles over a separate mouth (done to death over the last 50 years).
3. Tall/wide kidney grilles.

Option 2 on a modern EV ends up looking exactly like the the iX3, obviously.
This is bland and unadventurous.

Therefore the only remain choice is option 3, what you see on the iX.
It's not exactly rocket science.

The problem is that the kidney's do not integrate with the rest of the front very well. Lexus have a large grill, Alpha and old BMW's had a portrait grill which all integrated better. I also think that if the grill was not an issue then there would be more negative comments about the bland side profile and let's not get onto the interiors. For a £70k plus car it just misses the mark. The back is nice though.

You’re spot on. The front - well enough said - but looking at the rear 3/4 view in that yellow - it just looks horrible - fat, bloaty and not a patch on previous designs.

M division sales last year saw huge increases in Russia, Korea and Italy and demand remains strong is the USA. It seems that a lot of posters on here still think that the car buying centre of the universe is a small village in Norfolk. The cars look the way they do because that's what the majority of the new car buying market wants, why is this so hard to understand.

We think it's ugly and we're saying so. What's so hard to understand about that?

[The spinner of plates]

kiseca said:

GT119 said:

aston addict said:

pacdes said:

GT119 said:

I'd really like someone to explain to me what all the fuss is about.

It's a BMW, it's going have double kidney grilles, that you can just about bet your life on.

Three option:
1. Slim/tall kidney grilles (as seen on early BMWs).
2. Wide/flat kidney grilles over a separate mouth (done to death over the last 50 years).
3. Tall/wide kidney grilles.

Option 2 on a modern EV ends up looking exactly like the the iX3, obviously.
This is bland and unadventurous.

Therefore the only remain choice is option 3, what you see on the iX.
It's not exactly rocket science.

The problem is that the kidney's do not integrate with the rest of the front very well. Lexus have a large grill, Alpha and old BMW's had a portrait grill which all integrated better. I also think that if the grill was not an issue then there would be more negative comments about the bland side profile and let's not get onto the interiors. For a £70k plus car it just misses the mark. The back is nice though.

You’re spot on. The front - well enough said - but looking at the rear 3/4 view in that yellow - it just looks horrible - fat, bloaty and not a patch on previous designs.

M division sales last year saw huge increases in Russia, Korea and Italy and demand remains strong is the USA. It seems that a lot of posters on here still think that the car buying centre of the universe is a small village in Norfolk. The cars look the way they do because that's what the majority of the new car buying market wants, why is this so hard to understand.

We think it's ugly and we're saying so. What's so hard to understand about that?

Exactly! This is a forum to post opinions.

[MX-6]

Interesting that M cars have been selling so well, I guess it shows the continuing and perhaps increasing divide between rich and poor in the 21st century.

With regards to the new M3/M4 looks, I didn't hate the front end from the outset but they are growing on me further to the point where I quite like it. Admittedly it's not pretty but it does look super aggressive, like the grill is going to suck in old ladies, small children, and the occasional hatchback on it way through, what not to like really? There are plenty of other cars on the market with similarly large grilles. I understand that some prefer small dainty cars that are less imposing, fair enough, but I don't think a car like the M3/M4 should have shy and retiring looks.

Edited by MX-6 on Tuesday 19th January 13:05

[GT119]

kiseca said:

We think it's ugly and we're saying so. What's so hard to understand about that?

It’s more than that though isn’t it. The whole BMW bashing thing has been a thing on here for as long as I can remember. Like frozen sausages it’s now just tedious.

[Leon R]

MX-6 said:

Interesting that M cars have been selling so well, I guess it shows the continuing and perhaps increasing divide between rich and poor in the 21st century.

Edited by MX-6 on Tuesday 19th January 13:05

How does more expensive cars selling to more people point to an increasing divide between the rich and the poor?

[TNH]

Leon R said:

How does more expensive cars selling to more people point to an increasing divide between the rich and the poor?

I think it's more the cheap PCP deals they were offering last year making them affordable to more people. That's certainly what tempted me into mine last September.

[Wills2]

MX-6 said:

Interesting that M cars have been selling so well, I guess it shows the continuing and perhaps increasing divide between rich and poor in the 21st century.

Edited by MX-6 on Tuesday 19th January 13:05

I think the underlying reason is they have put an M onto many cars that just used to be standard they have gone from the 340i to the M340i in fact anything that used to be the top of the normal range with a decent engine has been given an M designation so suddenly they are counting more M cars sold, the underlying sales of the full fat versions would be interesting to see

[MX-6]

Leon R said:

MX-6 said:

Interesting that M cars have been selling so well, I guess it shows the continuing and perhaps increasing divide between rich and poor in the 21st century.

How does more expensive cars selling to more people point to an increasing divide between the rich and the poor?

I could be wrong but as with other luxury goods and assets there just seems to have been an inflation in price and quantity at the top end of things. Regarding cars, it seems that every other day a new zillion pound hypercar is anounced. While at the bottom quite a lot of people seem to feel that the value of their wages maybe haven't kept up with inflation and their ability to buy things like new cars and houses has diminished, relatively speaking.

[anonymous-user]

M GMBH announce they're going to offer a fully-electric car in 2021. No details on what it will be, no visual teaser images, no tech details, no performance details, nothing. At all.

But that doesn't stop the hard of thinking repetitive dullards on here professing that it'll be ugly, it'll have limited range, or just a plain 'yuck'.

And then of course there's the usual BMW thread cringeworthy comment from Greg the Fish - I suspect he applied for BMW finance once, got turned down, then found out his Mrs had given the dismissive salesman her number . I can think of a better use of the acronym GtF which should apply to his posts.

I'm no fan of the new M4's looks, and certainly not those of the iX either, but I'm grown up enough to want to understand more about an as-yet unknown vehicle before I summarily dismiss it 'because BMW, innit'.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Bit daft to include the "M performance range" as they're relatively new models, not fully fledged M cars, and are far cheaper, so of course they'll sell more. The question is have those eaten into "normal" BMW sales, if they don't include those models for non-M sales?