One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 5
Discussion
LetsTryAgain said:
The Spruce Goose said:
What i don't understand is all that has been done, the economy, lockdowns, save the NHS, yet still one of the worst for deaths in the world....
''Experts condemn ‘phenomenal failure of policy and practice’ in handling of pandemic''
Well the statistics could do with some serious examination to see actual causes of death, to start with. ''Experts condemn ‘phenomenal failure of policy and practice’ in handling of pandemic''
However I read an article recently (which annoyingly I now can't find) comparing the deaths within 28 days of a positive test, deaths where covid was mentioned on the death certificate, and excess death figures, they were all surprisingly close.
LetsTryAgain said:
The governments response to COVID will play a part, to what degree, we’ll never find out for certain.
And it’s not excess deaths on their own which is important.
It’s the response, and the consequences (intended and otherwise) of the response, which should be the concern.
We’ve never behaved like this on the premise of a virus before.
Even the Gov’s own documents say they never thought they’d ‘get away with’ responding as the nasty despotism China did.
People who think they’re doing the right thing don’t use language like that.
‘Getting away with’ something is when you’ve done something wrong, and you know it.
What’s to stop them doing so in the future now the precedent has been set?
Oh, the government has been shambolic, I agree. At times, their position, and the advice they've given has been so unclear I've often wondered whether they've done it deliberately, on the grounds that no organisation can genuinely be that incompetent. And I would really like to see a thorough, impartial public enquiry into the awarding of contracts to private companies during this period, and how the normal procurement rules seem to have been bypassed or bent to benefit companies run by friends and contacts of the government. If even half of what's been printed is true, the government should be ashamed of itself.And it’s not excess deaths on their own which is important.
It’s the response, and the consequences (intended and otherwise) of the response, which should be the concern.
We’ve never behaved like this on the premise of a virus before.
Even the Gov’s own documents say they never thought they’d ‘get away with’ responding as the nasty despotism China did.
People who think they’re doing the right thing don’t use language like that.
‘Getting away with’ something is when you’ve done something wrong, and you know it.
What’s to stop them doing so in the future now the precedent has been set?
And of course, they've mismanaged the response. I was talking a few evenings ago to a good friend and former colleague of mine who emigrated to Australia back in 2017, and lives in Melbourne. After enduring a very harsh 16 week state-wide lockdown, enforced by both police and military checkpoints, and backed up with five figure fines, he and his wife are now living pretty much normally. Victoria has scrapped compulsory mask wearing, the shops and bars are open (with some density restrictions), and households are allowed to mix. Life is pretty much back to normal. They're both back at work, socialising, and enjoying leisure time. Australia as a whole hasn't had a single Covid death since mid October. And yet, here we are, at the exact same point in time, in a perpetual half arsed lockdown that nobody is enforcing, and many are ignoring, that is wrecking the economy, and yet we still have a thousand deaths a day.
Good job, Boris & co.
Edited by Limpet on Friday 22 January 10:58
Public service announcement: YOU DO NOT OWN THE PARKING SPACE OUTSIDE YOUR HOUSE
Visiting my partner tonight who lives on a new build estate... park outside the house opposite. They have a driveway with one car on it. And apparently also own the space outside.
Caught them reversing their Mokka deliberately (across their drive) to almost, if not actually, touch my front bumper... sadly I was relatively close to the car behind and wouldn’t have got out in the morning...to work... so I went down and spoke to them.
Explained the fact they don’t own the space but if it made them happy I would move my car approximately 10 metres to a space outside another house, which satisfied them.
I hate s
t like this, I’m paranoid enough already about leaving me car here!
Visiting my partner tonight who lives on a new build estate... park outside the house opposite. They have a driveway with one car on it. And apparently also own the space outside.
Caught them reversing their Mokka deliberately (across their drive) to almost, if not actually, touch my front bumper... sadly I was relatively close to the car behind and wouldn’t have got out in the morning...to work... so I went down and spoke to them.
Explained the fact they don’t own the space but if it made them happy I would move my car approximately 10 metres to a space outside another house, which satisfied them.
I hate s
t like this, I’m paranoid enough already about leaving me car here!Nothing says knob more than people who don't know what they are talking about...
Its not just the direct covid deaths that we are worrying about, it's about you not having resources to care for you when you get Ill. Simple appendicitis and no theatre to be operated on or that car accident and need for itu. Sorry mate were full, heres the priest to read you your last rights....
Its not just the direct covid deaths that we are worrying about, it's about you not having resources to care for you when you get Ill. Simple appendicitis and no theatre to be operated on or that car accident and need for itu. Sorry mate were full, heres the priest to read you your last rights....
Lazy fat chav slag (they all are around that part of Sussex) leaves it too late to get her Mac Ds brekkie......
Too many other lazy fat chavs in queue.....
Misses the brekkie cut off time.
What does she do?????
Read on....
(No local rag does such un-newsworthy 'news' as badly as The Argus. And yes, that IS a challenge!)
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19032374.woman-cal...
Too many other lazy fat chavs in queue.....
Misses the brekkie cut off time.
What does she do?????
Read on....
(No local rag does such un-newsworthy 'news' as badly as The Argus. And yes, that IS a challenge!)
https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19032374.woman-cal...
Haltamer said:
That is absolutely BRILLIANT!That could even be East Grinstead!
of a tanker driver who pulled out my overtake - 3 lane section, I positioned the car as far to the right as I could, checked, signalled, and pulled out to overtake two lorries. As I neared the rear of the first lorry it signalled and almost instantly pulled out. wkstain. Don’t normally comment on this as I’m hardly beyond reproach, but I must admit this wound me up.
Absolute throbber this evening who decided he'd kick off in the queue at our local chippy.
I turned up, and there seemed to be some confusion over who had ordered, and who was waiting to order. The shop had a "No More Than 4 People Inside The Shop At Any Time" sign up.
Two fellas signaled that they had ordered and were waiting to be called back in to collect. The woman ahead of me was waiting to order. So I waited behind her, at a considerate distance. Then this jowly twunt rocks up, marches to the door, and demands to know if we're queuing. Well clearly not, chap - we're just two random folks who have made a hobby out of standing in the cold reading takeaway menus. No sarcasm was forthcoming though - we simply confirmed what was entirely obvious if he'd have used his (four) eyes.
The lady ahead of me goes in as her turn has come. I'm next. There are now three people one side of the shop front waiting for orders, me on the other side queuing where the handy 'Queue Here' sign says to, and Freddie Four-Chins standing with his arms folded directly opposite the door. Inside are three people, two who have ordered and one in the process of ordering.
Bit fat aggro man decides I should go in. "Because 4 people allowed" is his reasoning. I decide to stay out and tell him as much. I point out that there is no benefit to going in, as I won't get served any quicker, and with Covid-19 cases high in our area I'd prefer to wait in the fresh air.
Cue loads of swearing, plenty of "don't fking talk to me like that" and even some "come on then, have a go". What's prompted this I don't know. Maybe he's angry because he's had to wait behind me. Maybe he's had a bad day at work. No excuse for it though, as "lockdown" is winding plenty of people up but it's only him trying to start a ruckus on the street. He's still mouthing off when I enter the shop, calls me a , and makes reference to my (lack of) height, and is still trying to provoke a response. I look him up and down and it's all I can do to not laugh in his face. My only response is "Behave - I'm not the one swearing in the street for no apparent reason". I think he must be used to people caving in front of his awesomeness, because now he seems to be confused.
I place my order, the shop owner looks over and raises an eyebrow, then smiles. I go back out, and Mr "4 people can go in" has decided that 3 was enough after all, only moving to enter as I make my way out. He even holds the door enough that I catch it with my toe to save touching the handle (I'm rubbing hand-gel in as I leave the shop).
When he, too, comes out, he's suddenly gone all quiet. Shifting his weight from foot to foot, taking off his glasses, fumbling for a fag, lighting it, then toddling off around the corner to sit in the passenger side of an Audi estate. My order is quick to prepare and I'm wondering if I'm going to get ambushed by a genuine hard man when I turn the corner, but no. True to form for a gobste, he's sitting in the passenger seat of the Audi, looking every inch the sad Muppet he is.
Who the juddering fk tries to start a fight outside a chippy while (appearing to be) sober, at 6 pm? Especially with Covid-19 about? I felt sorry for the woman who'd just placed her order and was waiting outside for it to be prepared. She was a lot closer to him than I was and she looked genuinely upset and concerned when he started gobbing off at me...
I turned up, and there seemed to be some confusion over who had ordered, and who was waiting to order. The shop had a "No More Than 4 People Inside The Shop At Any Time" sign up.
Two fellas signaled that they had ordered and were waiting to be called back in to collect. The woman ahead of me was waiting to order. So I waited behind her, at a considerate distance. Then this jowly twunt rocks up, marches to the door, and demands to know if we're queuing. Well clearly not, chap - we're just two random folks who have made a hobby out of standing in the cold reading takeaway menus. No sarcasm was forthcoming though - we simply confirmed what was entirely obvious if he'd have used his (four) eyes.
The lady ahead of me goes in as her turn has come. I'm next. There are now three people one side of the shop front waiting for orders, me on the other side queuing where the handy 'Queue Here' sign says to, and Freddie Four-Chins standing with his arms folded directly opposite the door. Inside are three people, two who have ordered and one in the process of ordering.
Bit fat aggro man decides I should go in. "Because 4 people allowed" is his reasoning. I decide to stay out and tell him as much. I point out that there is no benefit to going in, as I won't get served any quicker, and with Covid-19 cases high in our area I'd prefer to wait in the fresh air.
Cue loads of swearing, plenty of "don't f
king talk to me like that" and even some "come on then, have a go". What's prompted this I don't know. Maybe he's angry because he's had to wait behind me. Maybe he's had a bad day at work. No excuse for it though, as "lockdown" is winding plenty of people up but it's only him trying to start a ruckus on the street. He's still mouthing off when I enter the shop, calls me a , and makes reference to my (lack of) height, and is still trying to provoke a response. I look him up and down and it's all I can do to not laugh in his face. My only response is "Behave - I'm not the one swearing in the street for no apparent reason". I think he must be used to people caving in front of his awesomeness, because now he seems to be confused.I place my order, the shop owner looks over and raises an eyebrow, then smiles. I go back out, and Mr "4 people can go in" has decided that 3 was enough after all, only moving to enter as I make my way out. He even holds the door enough that I catch it with my toe to save touching the handle (I'm rubbing hand-gel in as I leave the shop).
When he, too, comes out, he's suddenly gone all quiet. Shifting his weight from foot to foot, taking off his glasses, fumbling for a fag, lighting it, then toddling off around the corner to sit in the passenger side of an Audi estate. My order is quick to prepare and I'm wondering if I'm going to get ambushed by a genuine hard man when I turn the corner, but no. True to form for a gobs
te, he's sitting in the passenger seat of the Audi, looking every inch the sad Muppet he is.Who the juddering f
k tries to start a fight outside a chippy while (appearing to be) sober, at 6 pm? Especially with Covid-19 about? I felt sorry for the woman who'd just placed her order and was waiting outside for it to be prepared. She was a lot closer to him than I was and she looked genuinely upset and concerned when he started gobbing off at me...The Spruce Goose said:
LetsTryAgain said:
Well the statistics could do with some serious examination to see actual causes of death, to start with.
''Evidence of the UK’s higher overall death toll during the first wave of the pandemic relative to comparable countries is unequivocal. England had the highest excess all-cause mortality rate among 23 European countries in the first five months of 2020 compared with 2015-19,''https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3348
This was start of year, things have actually got worse since then..
Maybe people like you is why he he still in power....
Back on topic, Boris is a knob because he CLEARLY is absolutely out of his depth, but he got BREXIT done....
If you are a biased onlooker, it is likely you will come out with a biased view point.
Other countries (which some hitherto praised for their handling of the Covid pandemic) and which have a very different set of circumstances to every other country including the UK, are now seeing rising rates of infection and CV related deaths.
Only when the pandemic is largely over, will any one be able to make an objective assessment of which country handled the pandemic the best. Any comments before that are just politically motivated gob flapping.
yellowjack said:
Absolute throbber this evening who decided he'd kick off in the queue at our local chippy.
I turned up, and there seemed to be some confusion over who had ordered, and who was waiting to order. The shop had a "No More Than 4 People Inside The Shop At Any Time" sign up.
Two fellas signaled that they had ordered and were waiting to be called back in to collect. The woman ahead of me was waiting to order. So I waited behind her, at a considerate distance. Then this jowly twunt rocks up, marches to the door, and demands to know if we're queuing. Well clearly not, chap - we're just two random folks who have made a hobby out of standing in the cold reading takeaway menus. No sarcasm was forthcoming though - we simply confirmed what was entirely obvious if he'd have used his (four) eyes.
The lady ahead of me goes in as her turn has come. I'm next. There are now three people one side of the shop front waiting for orders, me on the other side queuing where the handy 'Queue Here' sign says to, and Freddie Four-Chins standing with his arms folded directly opposite the door. Inside are three people, two who have ordered and one in the process of ordering.
Bit fat aggro man decides I should go in. "Because 4 people allowed" is his reasoning. I decide to stay out and tell him as much. I point out that there is no benefit to going in, as I won't get served any quicker, and with Covid-19 cases high in our area I'd prefer to wait in the fresh air.
Cue loads of swearing, plenty of "don't fking talk to me like that" and even some "come on then, have a go". What's prompted this I don't know. Maybe he's angry because he's had to wait behind me. Maybe he's had a bad day at work. No excuse for it though, as "lockdown" is winding plenty of people up but it's only him trying to start a ruckus on the street. He's still mouthing off when I enter the shop, calls me a , and makes reference to my (lack of) height, and is still trying to provoke a response. I look him up and down and it's all I can do to not laugh in his face. My only response is "Behave - I'm not the one swearing in the street for no apparent reason". I think he must be used to people caving in front of his awesomeness, because now he seems to be confused.
I place my order, the shop owner looks over and raises an eyebrow, then smiles. I go back out, and Mr "4 people can go in" has decided that 3 was enough after all, only moving to enter as I make my way out. He even holds the door enough that I catch it with my toe to save touching the handle (I'm rubbing hand-gel in as I leave the shop).
When he, too, comes out, he's suddenly gone all quiet. Shifting his weight from foot to foot, taking off his glasses, fumbling for a fag, lighting it, then toddling off around the corner to sit in the passenger side of an Audi estate. My order is quick to prepare and I'm wondering if I'm going to get ambushed by a genuine hard man when I turn the corner, but no. True to form for a gobste, he's sitting in the passenger seat of the Audi, looking every inch the sad Muppet he is.
Who the juddering fk tries to start a fight outside a chippy while (appearing to be) sober, at 6 pm? Especially with Covid-19 about? I felt sorry for the woman who'd just placed her order and was waiting outside for it to be prepared. She was a lot closer to him than I was and she looked genuinely upset and concerned when he started gobbing off at me...
fI turned up, and there seemed to be some confusion over who had ordered, and who was waiting to order. The shop had a "No More Than 4 People Inside The Shop At Any Time" sign up.
Two fellas signaled that they had ordered and were waiting to be called back in to collect. The woman ahead of me was waiting to order. So I waited behind her, at a considerate distance. Then this jowly twunt rocks up, marches to the door, and demands to know if we're queuing. Well clearly not, chap - we're just two random folks who have made a hobby out of standing in the cold reading takeaway menus. No sarcasm was forthcoming though - we simply confirmed what was entirely obvious if he'd have used his (four) eyes.
The lady ahead of me goes in as her turn has come. I'm next. There are now three people one side of the shop front waiting for orders, me on the other side queuing where the handy 'Queue Here' sign says to, and Freddie Four-Chins standing with his arms folded directly opposite the door. Inside are three people, two who have ordered and one in the process of ordering.
Bit fat aggro man decides I should go in. "Because 4 people allowed" is his reasoning. I decide to stay out and tell him as much. I point out that there is no benefit to going in, as I won't get served any quicker, and with Covid-19 cases high in our area I'd prefer to wait in the fresh air.
Cue loads of swearing, plenty of "don't f
king talk to me like that" and even some "come on then, have a go". What's prompted this I don't know. Maybe he's angry because he's had to wait behind me. Maybe he's had a bad day at work. No excuse for it though, as "lockdown" is winding plenty of people up but it's only him trying to start a ruckus on the street. He's still mouthing off when I enter the shop, calls me a , and makes reference to my (lack of) height, and is still trying to provoke a response. I look him up and down and it's all I can do to not laugh in his face. My only response is "Behave - I'm not the one swearing in the street for no apparent reason". I think he must be used to people caving in front of his awesomeness, because now he seems to be confused.I place my order, the shop owner looks over and raises an eyebrow, then smiles. I go back out, and Mr "4 people can go in" has decided that 3 was enough after all, only moving to enter as I make my way out. He even holds the door enough that I catch it with my toe to save touching the handle (I'm rubbing hand-gel in as I leave the shop).
When he, too, comes out, he's suddenly gone all quiet. Shifting his weight from foot to foot, taking off his glasses, fumbling for a fag, lighting it, then toddling off around the corner to sit in the passenger side of an Audi estate. My order is quick to prepare and I'm wondering if I'm going to get ambushed by a genuine hard man when I turn the corner, but no. True to form for a gobs
te, he's sitting in the passenger seat of the Audi, looking every inch the sad Muppet he is.Who the juddering f
k tries to start a fight outside a chippy while (appearing to be) sober, at 6 pm? Especially with Covid-19 about? I felt sorry for the woman who'd just placed her order and was waiting outside for it to be prepared. She was a lot closer to him than I was and she looked genuinely upset and concerned when he started gobbing off at me...king hell. Armageddon is here. Limpet said:
LetsTryAgain said:
The governments response to COVID will play a part, to what degree, we’ll never find out for certain.
And it’s not excess deaths on their own which is important.
It’s the response, and the consequences (intended and otherwise) of the response, which should be the concern.
We’ve never behaved like this on the premise of a virus before.
Even the Gov’s own documents say they never thought they’d ‘get away with’ responding as the nasty despotism China did.
People who think they’re doing the right thing don’t use language like that.
‘Getting away with’ something is when you’ve done something wrong, and you know it.
What’s to stop them doing so in the future now the precedent has been set?
Oh, the government has been shambolic, I agree. At times, their position, and the advice they've given has been so unclear I've often wondered whether they've done it deliberately, on the grounds that no organisation can genuinely be that incompetent. And I would really like to see a thorough, impartial public enquiry into the awarding of contracts to private companies during this period, and how the normal procurement rules seem to have been bypassed or bent to benefit companies run by friends and contacts of the government. If even half of what's been printed is true, the government should be ashamed of itself.And it’s not excess deaths on their own which is important.
It’s the response, and the consequences (intended and otherwise) of the response, which should be the concern.
We’ve never behaved like this on the premise of a virus before.
Even the Gov’s own documents say they never thought they’d ‘get away with’ responding as the nasty despotism China did.
People who think they’re doing the right thing don’t use language like that.
‘Getting away with’ something is when you’ve done something wrong, and you know it.
What’s to stop them doing so in the future now the precedent has been set?
And of course, they've mismanaged the response. I was talking a few evenings ago to a good friend and former colleague of mine who emigrated to Australia back in 2017, and lives in Melbourne. After enduring a very harsh 16 week state-wide lockdown, enforced by both police and military checkpoints, and backed up with five figure fines, he and his wife are now living pretty much normally. Victoria has scrapped compulsory mask wearing, the shops and bars are open (with some density restrictions), and households are allowed to mix. Life is pretty much back to normal. They're both back at work, socialising, and enjoying leisure time. Australia as a whole hasn't had a single Covid death since mid October. And yet, here we are, at the exact same point in time, in a perpetual half arsed lockdown that nobody is enforcing, and many are ignoring, that is wrecking the economy, and yet we still have a thousand deaths a day.
Good job, Boris & co.
Edited by Limpet on Friday 22 January 10:58
With the benefit of hindsight, it is also possible to look at what various governments in other countries have done, some of whom were being praised for `their' actions, who now have rapidly rising infection, and death rates. And of course all countries are different, some very different, which means trying to compare one, with another is almost pointless.
if the UK had placed a solid 20 week total lockdown when the virus first hit, it is entirely possible that many lives might have been saved, Equally though, there would be many people shouting that it was an unnecessary, knee jerk, over the top response, which destroyed many businesses. So governments are damned if they do, and damned if they don't take a certain response path.
Only when the pandemic is over, and people are able to make an objective appraisal of the situation in the round (including which countries were best at delivering vaccines etc) will anyone be able to state with any certainty, which country handled the pandemic in the best way.
Not sure what anyone commenting on the pandemic at `this' stage in its cycle, is trying to achieve?
Calling Halfords Halfrauds.
What is fraudulent about Halfords?
Then the knob asked not to be judged because he'd been in said store.
Probably says Daily Fail/Wail and Scumtree, and Face ache, and Fleabay, probably also says methinks, or worse, me thinks, plus a la, swapped out, drop in a crate engine (like it's that easy), good steer, hoon, and all the other 'cool' terms he's picked up on here.
What is fraudulent about Halfords?
Then the knob asked not to be judged because he'd been in said store.
Probably says Daily Fail/Wail and Scumtree, and Face ache, and Fleabay, probably also says methinks, or worse, me thinks, plus a la, swapped out, drop in a crate engine (like it's that easy), good steer, hoon, and all the other 'cool' terms he's picked up on here.
Haltamer said:
20 years ago I was in a Wetherspoon's pub in London. As I was waiting for my turn at the bar, the woman in front of me tried to order a Sunday roast. The barman apologetically explained they only served the Sunday roast on Sundays. The woman told him it WAS a Sunday... Except it was a Thursday lunchtime (I was a student, it's OK!)She would not be told, and got increasingly belligerent and angry with the barman because it wasn't Sunday when she thought it should be. After me and the other bystanders started weighing in that it was indeed a Thursday then she stormed out. No idea if she had genuine problems or was just a dick - it can be hard to tell sometimes.
On that video... I've actually eaten chicken mcnuggets... they were OK, but I've not felt compelled to eat any in the 18 months since. Perhaps chicken mcnuggets are to meth, what doner kebabs are to beer?
Haltamer said:
I may be wrong, but I think she may have some anger management issues.Johnspex said:
Calling Halfords Halfrauds.
What is fraudulent about Halfords?
Then the knob asked not to be judged because he'd been in said store.
Probably says Daily Fail/Wail and Scumtree, and Face ache, and Fleabay, probably also says methinks, or worse, me thinks, plus a la, swapped out, drop in a crate engine (like it's that easy), good steer, hoon, and all the other 'cool' terms he's picked up on here.
And will use 'myself' when it's not appropriate.What is fraudulent about Halfords?
Then the knob asked not to be judged because he'd been in said store.
Probably says Daily Fail/Wail and Scumtree, and Face ache, and Fleabay, probably also says methinks, or worse, me thinks, plus a la, swapped out, drop in a crate engine (like it's that easy), good steer, hoon, and all the other 'cool' terms he's picked up on here.
Same sort of t*** that when at the bar (oh those were the days!) will say 'can I get.....' No you f****** d**** you can't GET unless you come round behind the bar and serve yourself. It's Please may I have.
Enut said:
I may be wrong, but I think she may have some anger management issues.
When she said "Don't make me assume my ultimate form!", I was struggling not to laugh. I then completely lost that struggle when she went on to threaten to "go super saiyan".It's like a Michael Douglas / Falling Down scenario on a tight budget.
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