One single thing that makes you think "knob" Vol 5
Discussion
Pica-Pica said:
Muddle238 said:
In a similar vein, those times when you pull up at a T-junction turning either left or right, and the vehicle behind pulls alongside to turn out in the opposite direction. What they fail to realise is by pulling alongside, they’ve now completely blocked your view out from the junction. While technically legal, I see it as a rather discourteous lack of roadmanship. Usually vans and SUVs are the main culprits, as their drivers sit high enough to see over my car, but my view is completely blocked by their vehicle.
Only happens at those “bell mouth” layouts, but sometimes if I’m being followed by a tall vehicle approaching such a junction, I’ll position myself such to deter the driver behind from squeezing alongside.
Yeah, the last bit is defensive driving.Only happens at those “bell mouth” layouts, but sometimes if I’m being followed by a tall vehicle approaching such a junction, I’ll position myself such to deter the driver behind from squeezing alongside.
My pet hate, was when I would take my dear old mum out. I would stop at the junction to turn right, and she would lean forward peering left
‘OK this way’ she would say.
Well, bless her, but at 90+ would you take her word? Especially as she is now blocking your view left.
The other thing is when a passenger lifts their handbag up and starts peering into it, searching and extracting things, always just when you need to use the, now blocked, left door mirror.
Mothers! Some sons do ‘ave ‘em..
Nothing worse that being on a bicycle turning either way at a 'T' junction when a vehicle appears on your left showing a right hand indicator, or on your right showing a left hand indicator. So when I'm "centre of lane" approaching a junction, perhaps now drivers will be a little more forgiving? If not, then when you are at a "bell mouth" junction, just pull up on the side appropriate for the direction you wish to turn, especially when you're going right. Why would you deliberately delay someone wanting to turn left when they are statistically far more likely to be able to make their turn than you are, needing, as they do, only one direction to be clear enough to proceed?
yellowjack said:
So we're finally all OK with cyclists doing a bit of "defensive riding" to control the road space around them then? Excellent.
Nothing worse that being on a bicycle turning either way at a 'T' junction when a vehicle appears on your left showing a right hand indicator, or on your right showing a left hand indicator. So when I'm "centre of lane" approaching a junction, perhaps now drivers will be a little more forgiving? If not, then when you are at a "bell mouth" junction, just pull up on the side appropriate for the direction you wish to turn, especially when you're going right. Why would you deliberately delay someone wanting to turn left when they are statistically far more likely to be able to make their turn than you are, needing, as they do, only one direction to be clear enough to proceed?
How on Earth you turn a post about high sided or tall vehicles into a cyclist victimisation post I have no idea. Nothing worse that being on a bicycle turning either way at a 'T' junction when a vehicle appears on your left showing a right hand indicator, or on your right showing a left hand indicator. So when I'm "centre of lane" approaching a junction, perhaps now drivers will be a little more forgiving? If not, then when you are at a "bell mouth" junction, just pull up on the side appropriate for the direction you wish to turn, especially when you're going right. Why would you deliberately delay someone wanting to turn left when they are statistically far more likely to be able to make their turn than you are, needing, as they do, only one direction to be clear enough to proceed?
Please highlight bit where I mentioned cyclists.
Muddle238 said:
How on Earth you turn a post about high sided or tall vehicles into a cyclist victimisation post I have no idea.
Please highlight bit where I mentioned cyclists.
You didn't. I did. Please highlight bit where I mentioned cyclists.
But I happen to think that people who take a central position at a junction DESIGNED to allow vehicles turning left the space to do that, while right turning vehicles may have to wait longer for a safe opportunity to turn, are knobs. Happy?
The mention of cyclists? That is because it's entirely safe for a left turning vehicle to be to the left of a right turning vehicle at a junction where there is ample space. Yet you advocate obstructing left turning traffic while waiting to turn right. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of such a statement when I've been abused when riding my bicycle for positioning myself so as to prevent right turning vehicles from being alongside to my left, or left turning vehicles being alongside to my right at 'T' junctions, or worse at crossroads where I am going straight over.
But hey? I'm not going to persuade you I'm right. Much as you're not going to persuade me that your [described] behaviour is anything less than knobbish. C'est la vie...
yellowjack said:
You didn't. I did.
But I happen to think that people who take a central position at a junction DESIGNED to allow vehicles turning left the space to do that, while right turning vehicles may have to wait longer for a safe opportunity to turn, are knobs. Happy?
The mention of cyclists? That is because it's entirely safe for a left turning vehicle to be to the left of a right turning vehicle at a junction where there is ample space. Yet you advocate obstructing left turning traffic while waiting to turn right. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of such a statement when I've been abused when riding my bicycle for positioning myself so as to prevent right turning vehicles from being alongside to my left, or left turning vehicles being alongside to my right at 'T' junctions, or worse at crossroads where I am going straight over.
But hey? I'm not going to persuade you I'm right. Much as you're not going to persuade me that your [described] behaviour is anything less than knobbish. C'est la vie...
Ok well lets ignore cyclists for now, as that's not the subject being discussed. Cyclists are a different kettle of fish and there's no hypocrisy going on, as I haven't got a clue about your cycling antics and haven't made any comments or statements judging them either. You do what you feel is safe, as a cyclist, no issues there. But I happen to think that people who take a central position at a junction DESIGNED to allow vehicles turning left the space to do that, while right turning vehicles may have to wait longer for a safe opportunity to turn, are knobs. Happy?
The mention of cyclists? That is because it's entirely safe for a left turning vehicle to be to the left of a right turning vehicle at a junction where there is ample space. Yet you advocate obstructing left turning traffic while waiting to turn right. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of such a statement when I've been abused when riding my bicycle for positioning myself so as to prevent right turning vehicles from being alongside to my left, or left turning vehicles being alongside to my right at 'T' junctions, or worse at crossroads where I am going straight over.
But hey? I'm not going to persuade you I'm right. Much as you're not going to persuade me that your [described] behaviour is anything less than knobbish. C'est la vie...
What I'm talking about is a junction where there is a bell-mouth to facilitate turning traffic, but isn't specifically marked as two lanes nor designed specifically for two vehicles to be alongside. Merely where the left-hand kerb or verge has been radiused off to facilitate vehicles turning left, which just so happens to allows enough space for two vehicles to position themselves side-by-side at the give way markings.
Suppose I come up to the junction wanting to turn left. As I approach, I notice a line of vehicles approaching from my right. I stop, looking for an appropriate gap. My view is suddenly blocked by the van that was behind me, wanting to turn right has seen a bit of space at the give way line to my offside and positioned the van squarely in that space. I now have absolutely no view to the right whatsoever, and the van driver hasn't got a brilliant view to his left because I'm still waiting for a gap to pull out. This is what I'm talking about, a single-carriageway junction where there may be physical space to position two vehicles alongside each other, but by doing so you restrict the views of both drivers to be able to see approaching traffic.
There's no need for it, the first vehicle to the give way markings should have priority, the next vehicle in the queue should hang back slightly as not to impede the view of the driver in front from being able to safely move out into the junction. Positioning their vehicle to expeditiously turn out of the junction but at the expense of a driver already waiting to turn is nothing short of impatient and discourteous.
So if I have a van/SUV behind who I think will do just this, I will position myself defensively to minimise the risk of my sight lines being needlessly blocked by someone who hasn't got any patience. I don't pull up alongside vehicles ahead at junctions, I don't want others to do it to me. I wouldn't say it's knobbish behaviour on my part, simply driving defensively.
Someone pushed out the wing mirror on my car, while I was in it. It's a really s
t prank because I have electric wing mirrors and can readjust it in seconds.
The person driving at 25 in a 60, followed by the person driving at 80+ around blind bends who nearly crashed into the back of me because he couldn't see the rolling road block.
t prank because I have electric wing mirrors and can readjust it in seconds.The person driving at 25 in a 60, followed by the person driving at 80+ around blind bends who nearly crashed into the back of me because he couldn't see the rolling road block.
Muddle238 said:
Ok well lets ignore cyclists for now, as that's not the subject being discussed. Cyclists are a different kettle of fish and there's no hypocrisy going on, as I haven't got a clue about your cycling antics and haven't made any comments or statements judging them either. You do what you feel is safe, as a cyclist, no issues there.
What I'm talking about is a junction where there is a bell-mouth to facilitate turning traffic, but isn't specifically marked as two lanes nor designed specifically for two vehicles to be alongside. Merely where the left-hand kerb or verge has been radiused off to facilitate vehicles turning left, which just so happens to allows enough space for two vehicles to position themselves side-by-side at the give way markings.
Suppose I come up to the junction wanting to turn left. As I approach, I notice a line of vehicles approaching from my right. I stop, looking for an appropriate gap. My view is suddenly blocked by the van that was behind me, wanting to turn right has seen a bit of space at the give way line to my offside and positioned the van squarely in that space. I now have absolutely no view to the right whatsoever, and the van driver hasn't got a brilliant view to his left because I'm still waiting for a gap to pull out. This is what I'm talking about, a single-carriageway junction where there may be physical space to position two vehicles alongside each other, but by doing so you restrict the views of both drivers to be able to see approaching traffic.
There's no need for it, the first vehicle to the give way markings should have priority, the next vehicle in the queue should hang back slightly as not to impede the view of the driver in front from being able to safely move out into the junction. Positioning their vehicle to expeditiously turn out of the junction but at the expense of a driver already waiting to turn is nothing short of impatient and discourteous.
So if I have a van/SUV behind who I think will do just this, I will position myself defensively to minimise the risk of my sight lines being needlessly blocked by someone who hasn't got any patience. I don't pull up alongside vehicles ahead at junctions, I don't want others to do it to me. I wouldn't say it's knobbish behaviour on my part, simply driving defensively.
OK. Given the extra information you've furnished by way of explanation, I apologise.What I'm talking about is a junction where there is a bell-mouth to facilitate turning traffic, but isn't specifically marked as two lanes nor designed specifically for two vehicles to be alongside. Merely where the left-hand kerb or verge has been radiused off to facilitate vehicles turning left, which just so happens to allows enough space for two vehicles to position themselves side-by-side at the give way markings.
Suppose I come up to the junction wanting to turn left. As I approach, I notice a line of vehicles approaching from my right. I stop, looking for an appropriate gap. My view is suddenly blocked by the van that was behind me, wanting to turn right has seen a bit of space at the give way line to my offside and positioned the van squarely in that space. I now have absolutely no view to the right whatsoever, and the van driver hasn't got a brilliant view to his left because I'm still waiting for a gap to pull out. This is what I'm talking about, a single-carriageway junction where there may be physical space to position two vehicles alongside each other, but by doing so you restrict the views of both drivers to be able to see approaching traffic.
There's no need for it, the first vehicle to the give way markings should have priority, the next vehicle in the queue should hang back slightly as not to impede the view of the driver in front from being able to safely move out into the junction. Positioning their vehicle to expeditiously turn out of the junction but at the expense of a driver already waiting to turn is nothing short of impatient and discourteous.
So if I have a van/SUV behind who I think will do just this, I will position myself defensively to minimise the risk of my sight lines being needlessly blocked by someone who hasn't got any patience. I don't pull up alongside vehicles ahead at junctions, I don't want others to do it to me. I wouldn't say it's knobbish behaviour on my part, simply driving defensively.
I'd made presumptions. Mainly that you were one of the knobheads I frequently see who straddle the centre line at junctions designed to have cars wait side by side. Usually the same a
holes who are overly cautious and fail to take gaps Blind Pugh would confidently take advantage of.I now find myself aligned with you if it is slab-sided vehicles squeezing up to the line and slowing things down for everyone. So I feel kinda foolish for making those assumptions. Although I underline my annoyance where this happens at junctions which are designed side-by-side and where the centre-straddler is turning right, obstructing traffic which may have ample opportunity to make their turn while said carriageway obstructor is waiting for a break in traffic approaching from the left.
As for the cycling thing? One of the worst ones that sticks in my mind was here...
...where I was approaching the junction positioned AND clearly signaling for a right turn when, shortly before I arrived at the line the car behind passed on my right. Crazy on many levels, not least because I may not have been turning at the junction, but going into the pub on the right. but also they were on the wrong side at a junction, blind to anything turning in from the right, and as can be seen, where I've placed a '?', why on earth would any sane person pull a stunt like that when there is plenty of space to make that left/right dogleg turn to the left of a right-turning cyclist?
And there was another one where I was riding home late at night, three rear lights, one bright front light, and wearing a yellow hi-vis waterproof jacket. I was (correctly) positioned in the right-most lane at a roundabout intending to take the third exit when a fat sweaty night-watchman type in a battered Micra deliberately drove into the hatched area leading up to the traffic island, and used his car to push me toward the left lane. Restricted by the lack of an audible warning device louder than my bell I gave his car a smack (open palm on the roof) to tell him where to get off. His response was to go around the roundabout back the way we'd just come and accost a young police officer who appeared to be doing some admin in her parked car. Well, she caught up to me, and pulled me over. I stopped, and through constant interruption by fat sweaty oaf, managed to give my side of the incident. He was warned copious times to keep his gob shut (not her words, she was too professional for that) but in the end he was so convinced that it was his RIGHT to push me over into the left lane that he sunk himself. The policewoman bid me "ride safe" and waved me on my way while she took the lairy, sweary oaf for a chat in the back of her police car. And for clarity, before the "if you'd have touched my car I'd have..." internet hardmen kick off? The current version of the Highway Code prescribes a minimum passing distance at 30 mph of 1.5 metres between a motor vehicle and the cyclist they're passing. My reach, measured armpit to index finger, is 67 cm. So if I can reach out and slap the roof of your car you are giving me around about a third of the space you are INSTRUCTED to give me.
trails said:
Cold said:
Middle aged. Mid 40s I'd suggest.
What was the result of the call...hopefully karma kicked her in the face?Her insurance company called me back on Thursday and accepted liability. They have nominated a local approved bodyshop (which is actually a pretty good one) to do the job and I'm just waiting for a slot in the diary. So hopefully it won't be too long until it's looking all shiny again.
Cold said:
Karma? Doubt it, but I'm not fussed about that. I just want my car repaired.
Her insurance company called me back on Thursday and accepted liability. They have nominated a local approved bodyshop (which is actually a pretty good one) to do the job and I'm just waiting for a slot in the diary. So hopefully it won't be too long until it's looking all shiny again.
The Karma part was her being caught on video after being a twunt and driving off...so already served.Her insurance company called me back on Thursday and accepted liability. They have nominated a local approved bodyshop (which is actually a pretty good one) to do the job and I'm just waiting for a slot in the diary. So hopefully it won't be too long until it's looking all shiny again.
Glad it's all sorted for you
swisstoni said:
dcb said:
Today a motorbiking twit doing 45 mph up the local motorway in Lane 1.
Darwin in action really.
Not just inconsiderate to drive so slowly many lorries have to overtake,
but a danger to themselves too. Lorry versus motorbike is an easy
contest.
In my view, if you can't keep up with the lorries, you really shouldn't be
on the motorway at all.
The world isn't short of stupid people, it's the clever ones we are short of.
If it was some classic that doesn’t see the light of day most of the time then I could give them a pass, probably.Darwin in action really.
Not just inconsiderate to drive so slowly many lorries have to overtake,
but a danger to themselves too. Lorry versus motorbike is an easy
contest.
In my view, if you can't keep up with the lorries, you really shouldn't be
on the motorway at all.
The world isn't short of stupid people, it's the clever ones we are short of.
Otherwise I totally agree; if trucks are having to move out to overtake, speed up or get off.
Rather than Sat nav, they had 2 map books. A current one and one published in 1963. They were attempting to not go on any road built after 1963, and it had taken 5 days to get to Liverpool.
It took them.a further 15 days to get to the north of Scotland.
The mother in her Ford Focus, that i saw driving into the local Sainsbury's car park earlier this afternoon, who thought it was fine to have her primary school age kid stood on the front passenger seat, so not belted in, trying to stick his head out of the sunroof, then out of the passenger side window whilst driving along 
Gladly, karma caught up with her though, as when i was exiting the store 15 minutes later, she was being spoken to by 2 PC's who'd parked up & blocked her car in preventing her from driving off. Based on the time between me seeing it and leaving the store, it looks like she was either spotted by the Police whilst they were in the car park already or they'd been following behind for a chat
Gladly, karma caught up with her though, as when i was exiting the store 15 minutes later, she was being spoken to by 2 PC's who'd parked up & blocked her car in preventing her from driving off. Based on the time between me seeing it and leaving the store, it looks like she was either spotted by the Police whilst they were in the car park already or they'd been following behind for a chat
Don,t know if this is the right place to put these but i am sure there must be at least one knob in these.
Late seventies driving a luton bodied transit down Chatham hill in Kent.The car in front has a sheet of plasterboard strapped to the roof.
The front half of the plasterboard starts flapping up and down until it snaps off and lands squarely across the front of my van blinding me momentarily.
Early 2000s all on the A20 on my way to Croydon.
A portaloo fell off the back of a lorry i was following.
A glass bus shelter fell off the back of a lorry.
A man in an Xreg cadillac was weaving from side to side to stop anyone from passing him until he deliberately rammed a Ford siera off
the road and then pulled up on the hard shoulder to shout at the other motorists until the police came.
And in Locks Bottom the driver of the Nissan Micra who instead of driving around the bus that had just pulled out of the bus stop
decided to brake hard causing the vectra driver following and myself to brake equally hard.We would probably have got away with it
but i was hit from behind by the lorry i had just passed on the A20 after the portaloo incident and propelling me into the back of the vectra
Late seventies driving a luton bodied transit down Chatham hill in Kent.The car in front has a sheet of plasterboard strapped to the roof.
The front half of the plasterboard starts flapping up and down until it snaps off and lands squarely across the front of my van blinding me momentarily.
Early 2000s all on the A20 on my way to Croydon.
A portaloo fell off the back of a lorry i was following.
A glass bus shelter fell off the back of a lorry.
A man in an Xreg cadillac was weaving from side to side to stop anyone from passing him until he deliberately rammed a Ford siera off
the road and then pulled up on the hard shoulder to shout at the other motorists until the police came.
And in Locks Bottom the driver of the Nissan Micra who instead of driving around the bus that had just pulled out of the bus stop
decided to brake hard causing the vectra driver following and myself to brake equally hard.We would probably have got away with it
but i was hit from behind by the lorry i had just passed on the A20 after the portaloo incident and propelling me into the back of the vectra
Not motoring related, but nominating the contractor that my neighbour has had in the last 2 days - i assume fixing the various bodges the neighbour has attempted over the last couple of years.
Anyway, added here for dumping their van at least a foot away from the kerb narrowing the road in their attempt at trying, and failing badly, to use said van to hide the fact they'd decided to lift the drain cover so they could pour remnants of plaster, paint and other debris down the drain
Thankfully managed to grab some pics and a video of him doing it so have now reported the prick via the relevant local portals as they've recently been targetting idiots dumping waste. No doubt he'll soon be complaining to anyone that will listen about the "knob" that reported him. Oh well - shame
Anyway, added here for dumping their van at least a foot away from the kerb narrowing the road in their attempt at trying, and failing badly, to use said van to hide the fact they'd decided to lift the drain cover so they could pour remnants of plaster, paint and other debris down the drain
Thankfully managed to grab some pics and a video of him doing it so have now reported the prick via the relevant local portals as they've recently been targetting idiots dumping waste. No doubt he'll soon be complaining to anyone that will listen about the "knob" that reported him. Oh well - shame
Muddle238 said:
yellowjack said:
So we're finally all OK with cyclists doing a bit of "defensive riding" to control the road space around them then? Excellent.
Nothing worse that being on a bicycle turning either way at a 'T' junction when a vehicle appears on your left showing a right hand indicator, or on your right showing a left hand indicator. So when I'm "centre of lane" approaching a junction, perhaps now drivers will be a little more forgiving? If not, then when you are at a "bell mouth" junction, just pull up on the side appropriate for the direction you wish to turn, especially when you're going right. Why would you deliberately delay someone wanting to turn left when they are statistically far more likely to be able to make their turn than you are, needing, as they do, only one direction to be clear enough to proceed?
How on Earth you turn a post about high sided or tall vehicles into a cyclist victimisation post I have no idea. Nothing worse that being on a bicycle turning either way at a 'T' junction when a vehicle appears on your left showing a right hand indicator, or on your right showing a left hand indicator. So when I'm "centre of lane" approaching a junction, perhaps now drivers will be a little more forgiving? If not, then when you are at a "bell mouth" junction, just pull up on the side appropriate for the direction you wish to turn, especially when you're going right. Why would you deliberately delay someone wanting to turn left when they are statistically far more likely to be able to make their turn than you are, needing, as they do, only one direction to be clear enough to proceed?
Please highlight bit where I mentioned cyclists.
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