ICE ban clouds on the horizon. Are you out?

ICE ban clouds on the horizon. Are you out?

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Down on the Farm

Original Poster:

207 posts

52 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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ICE ban clouds on the horizon. Are you out?

As the ICE car ban is now gathering pace and the government is clearly investing politically more and more in the new green future, is the demise of the combustion engine affecting your decision in buying a new car as 2030 looms closer?

Having recently retired and looking forward to getting something a little special that I have always promised myself, I am now pondering the wisdom of splashing the cash on an expensive performance car for varying reasons. Namely, the following:-

Rising running costs (VED, fuel taxation as the ban hoves into sight etc)
Government mission creep (they've already brought the ban forward what next?)
ULEZ zone expansion
Public demonisation
Resulting disastrous depreciation

From what I am reading, the electric revolution is coming faster than I thought and is now clearly unstoppable and there are no EVs that really appeal whether it's lack of range or styling or lack of soul and noise.

Thought about leasing or PCPing to mitigate some of the above but have always preferred to buy out right for a longer ownership proposition.

Thinking about the what if 's above is curtailing my enthusiasm for a new car to the point I feel as though I cant commit to a purchase and I am going to abandon the whole idea!

So in light of the above I'm turning to PH to get people's thoughts on the current state of play and where we are going with all of this and anyone with a crystal ball who could shine a light on future residuals maybe from some of our salesmen on here?

In fact, I would find it interesting into some insight as to how the trade see the transition.

Anyone having similar thoughts or hesitations?

Over to you guys and many thanks in advance.

deckster

9,630 posts

254 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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Buy it if you want it.

You might die tomorrow.

Stop overthinking things.

You are welcome.

(although lightly toned, this is serious advice)

neutral 3

6,356 posts

169 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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You Only live Once........

Buy that car of your dreams and enjoy it !!

The classic car and bike movement in Blighty alone, is Huge, it generates £££££ fortunes each year. Petrol or diesel won’t disappear over night.

Down on the Farm

Original Poster:

207 posts

52 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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deckster said:
Buy it if you want it.

You might die tomorrow.

Stop overthinking things.

You are welcome.

(although lightly toned, this is serious advice)
Thanks deckster , yep analysis paralysis! You could t say a truer thing especially as I'm retirement age

Down on the Farm

Original Poster:

207 posts

52 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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neutral 3 said:
You Only live Once........

Buy that car of your dreams and enjoy it !!

The classic car and bike movement in Blighty alone, is Huge, it generates £££££ fortunes each year. Petrol or diesel won’t disappear over night.
wow neutral 3, your vettes take me back to when I was in my twenties and a dealer I bought a car off had a tulip back in white which sounded incredible and was so foreign and exotic back in the eighties. It was always great to hear it rumble by!

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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neutral 3 said:
You Only live Once........

Buy that car of your dreams and enjoy it !!

The classic car and bike movement in Blighty alone, is Huge, it generates £££££ fortunes each year. Petrol or diesel won’t disappear over night.
Nice looking Stag. And the American plasticsmile

Muddle238

3,871 posts

112 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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I have no qualms with the idea of EV’s. I will have one eventually when the time is right.

I doubt I’ll ever be out of ICE ownership though, I have classics that are keepers, part of the enjoyment is the mechanical-ness of them, replacing the oily bits with ion bits would detract from what they are.

Petrol and diesel will be around for a long time to come.

kambites

67,461 posts

220 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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I'm keeping my ICE car, but the family bus will go EV when we replace it and I wont miss the internal combustion element. For our use, electric drive is simply better.

FourWheelDrift

88,381 posts

283 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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No one has yet come up with a solution to charging parked on-road EVs overnight, if you can't park outside your own house how do you charge up an EV. You can't have cables up and down the path as they are a trip hazard and you can't trust anyone not to unplug the car overnight. So what will they do?

This 2030 target for new cars only being EV is short-sighted and I do predict it to slip to a later date and any new ICE ban taking longer.

Terminator X

14,921 posts

203 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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Not me, I will keep buying petrol cars until they no longer let me incl the last day before the ban kicks in.

TX.

DanielSan

18,747 posts

166 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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Why worry about something that happens in 10 years time? And even then it's only new cars, used ICE cars aren't going to be banned so just go and buy what you want.

MG CHRIS

9,077 posts

166 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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Its not a ban on ice its a ban on selling new ice only cars. However the manufactures will more than likely beat the ban deadline within the next 5 years I suspect. There has been a huge shift in the last year in bringing new hybrid or electric cars into the dealers there is a massive shift going on. I suspect the ban date will be largely irrelevant and forgotten about by 2030.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

189 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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Down on the Farm said:
ICE ban clouds on the horizon. Are you out?

As the ICE car ban is now gathering pace and the government is clearly investing politically more and more in the new green future, is the demise of the combustion engine affecting your decision in buying a new car as 2030 looms closer?

Having recently retired and looking forward to getting something a little special that I have always promised myself, I am now pondering the wisdom of splashing the cash on an expensive performance car for varying reasons. Namely, the following:-

Rising running costs (VED, fuel taxation as the ban hoves into sight etc)
Government mission creep (they've already brought the ban forward what next?)
ULEZ zone expansion
Public demonisation
Resulting disastrous depreciation

From what I am reading, the electric revolution is coming faster than I thought and is now clearly unstoppable and there are no EVs that really appeal whether it's lack of range or styling or lack of soul and noise.

Thought about leasing or PCPing to mitigate some of the above but have always preferred to buy out right for a longer ownership proposition.

Thinking about the what if 's above is curtailing my enthusiasm for a new car to the point I feel as though I cant commit to a purchase and I am going to abandon the whole idea!

So in light of the above I'm turning to PH to get people's thoughts on the current state of play and where we are going with all of this and anyone with a crystal ball who could shine a light on future residuals maybe from some of our salesmen on here?

In fact, I would find it interesting into some insight as to how the trade see the transition.

Anyone having similar thoughts or hesitations?

Over to you guys and many thanks in advance.
Sorry but wtf???

GM182

1,263 posts

224 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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I see where the OP is coming from but as a retirement purchase with a long ownership in play I wouldn't worry about depreciation too much. As others have already said, the difficulties of owning a non-efficient ICE will only increase.

But that makes now an ideal time to buy...plenty of recent cars with some analogue characteristics that will last 10 years more with normal maintenance. Even after 2030 they won't be banned for years and if it's something special it won't be a daily driver.

Mines an AMG C63 thanks.

anonymous-user

53 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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300bhp/ton said:
Sorry but wtf???
Quite, it’s extrapolation of the highest order.

Govt bans sales of ICE-only cars in 2030 has apparently now become “Govt are going to ban all ICE cars from the road.....”

Down on the Farm

Original Poster:

207 posts

52 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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Thanks for the thoughts folks.

Yep I get that the ICE ban is for new cars and Existing ICE will be around many years after that but at what cost?



Maybe the old covid has fried my brain and I should just get on and do it ! You're a long time dead.

MDMA .

8,849 posts

100 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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I had a crystal ball once and only ever predicted cold winters. Turns out the shop had sold me a snow globe.

Down on the Farm

Original Poster:

207 posts

52 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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GM182 said:
I see where the OP is coming from but as a retirement purchase with a long ownership in play I wouldn't worry about depreciation too much. As others have already said, the difficulties of owning a non-efficient ICE will only increase.

But that makes now an ideal time to buy...plenty of recent cars with some analogue characteristics that will last 10 years more with normal maintenance. Even after 2030 they won't be banned for years and if it's something special it won't be a daily driver.

Mines an AMG C63 thanks.
Makes sense GM, special non daily should keep me interested and won't break the bank! I've just got to choose carefully but not easy as no proper freedom to test drive all I want to try with lockdown. So it's going to be a special pampered thing as I have other cars for daily.

AMG C63 appeals. Saloon or coupe?

thiscocks

3,127 posts

194 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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If you think the car industry will accept being not allowed to produce an ICE vehicle in less than 10 years you are as deluded as the government.

HughG

3,539 posts

240 months

Friday 5th February 2021
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I’m sure that synthetic fuel will allow us to run ICE cars long after the ban on selling new ICE cars.

I have just ordered my first EV, because it is a cheap reliable mode of transport, and will let me justify keeping the my current (silly) car.