RE: 2021 Mercedes-Benz C-Class unveiled

RE: 2021 Mercedes-Benz C-Class unveiled

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Sulphur Man

30 posts

96 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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SmoothCriminal said:
That looks a thousand times better than the ste looking tablet thing just plonked on the dash
It may do, but the bald truth is that plonking big tablets and screens is a much cheaper production cost than switchgear.

So, its perfectly rational to say that the new C-class cockpit looks cheap, because it actually is.

Honda have openly pushed against this - they will always support switchgear for the key functions in cars. Might be a smart move

cerb4.5lee

17,803 posts

143 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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thiscocks said:
cerb4.5lee said:
ZX10R NIN said:
I think Mercedes are missing a trick by not putting the 400d drivetrain in the C Class.
Agree. The 330d/335d have been a pretty decent success for BMW over the years, yet the C-Class hasn't had a 6 cylinder diesel engine in it for years now. Odd.

I also wanted Mercedes to put the 400d engine in the GLC as well...but they didn't bother. frown
Yep, seems a waste only putting the inline 6 in their near 2 tonne models. Seems they are following JLR and only offering us 2.0l mhev bks for a normal size saloon
For sure. I know you can get the 400d in the GLE...but there is a pretty decent cost difference between the C and E Class I reckon(well too much for me anyway).

Court_S

4,035 posts

140 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Owlwood said:
The wagon seems better styled than the saloon. It could be as im getting older im more drawn to the estates....
That was the same as the outgoing model.

The new saloon looks better than the last effort which looked blobby / melted.

cerb4.5lee said:
While I'm certainly not adverse to these screens in a lot of cars now, I do feel that it could date them quite quickly though(plus the fear of them going wrong).
Screens will definitely date interiors. The tech is moving so fast.

That interior is bloody awful to my eyes; I think it looks super chintzy. I hate Mercedes obsession with naff looking and flimsy air vents. The touchscreen has been taken too far now.

I wonder if the ‘assistant’ is any less annoying than in the A class?

Personally I much prefer the interior of the 3 series, it doesn’t look as flash in the showroom but I’d far rather buttons and the idrive wheel.


cerb4.5lee

17,803 posts

143 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Court_S said:
Personally I much prefer the interior of the 3 series, it doesn’t look as flash in the showroom but I’d far rather buttons and the idrive wheel.
I didn't realise just how much I liked the idrive in a BMW...until I tried Mercedes Comand equivalent that is for sure! I get annoyed with it everytime I use it! hehe

I still have an idrive of sorts in the Mini though...but for some reason that operates in a different direction to a BMW...so that used to catch me out a lot at first as well!


stickleback123

7,515 posts

152 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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It looks fine. Not offensive, not exciting, interior will look better in person and is exactly what you'd expect; a cut down version of the interior in the W223 S Class.

I do like the unfashionably large dash to axle ratio and long bonnet so you can easily tell it's not one of the joke FWD models though, that's proper. Shame it's only stty four bangers under that long bonnet, but those are the times we live in.

Raino144

53 posts

32 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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More than a bit disappointed with this ‘refresh’ and definitely not enough has changed to make me want to change my S205 for one.

On the outside, the estate looks almost exactly the same but with droopy lights grafted on front and rear, and on the inside the ‘more screens’ seems to be a solution looking for a problem.

I would only be tempted if the C300d offers much performance advantage to my current C250d - but the hybrid gubbins usually comes with a weight penalty to overcome. As others have said above, I wish they had put the 400d drivetrain in there.

raspy

388 posts

57 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Chestrockwell said:
Looks lovely but beware! Make sure you test drive before you buy, my 2020 C300d hates fun and is the most uninspiring and boring drive ever, it’s an old mans car. The ESP and Gearbox being the weakest points and they work hand in hand to create the dullest and most frustrating driving experience.

Powerful engine, can’t be faulted but the ESP in Sport+ allows the tiniest slip but the gearbox short changes as it thinks it will hit the limiter. If you turn ESP off yourself (which is a chore), the same problem happens, gearbox will short change as it thinks it will hit the limiter and by the time you’ve changed; you’re nowhere near the peak torque output or the peak horsepower.

I know it’s not a performance car but my 4 Series never had that problem.

The gearbox calibration is also ridiculous as it hangs onto gears when you want to pull away slowly so you’re doing 15mph still in first and the diesel causing a racket.

Mercedes seem to be more fussed on interior’s and screens than the actual driving experience which is a shame as the C300d could have been a great car
LOL You got a c-class for fun driving experiences? MB make it very clear that the C class as a model is focused on comfort and luxury (which is emphasised even more with the W206 model)

Of course it's an old man's car, they aim it at 35-45 year old buyers.

I think the new one looks rather ordinary from the outside but at least the interior looks bloody marvellous, love all the new advanced tech and provided the voice commands with MBUX work well, I don't see that much of an issue with having a giant touchscreen.


Fiedka

26 posts

12 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Very sporty, not elegant but I guess this is the new norm and what people buy.
Sedan looks awfully like CLA which to me is not a good thing.

01WE01

751 posts

36 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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raspy said:
Of course it's an old man's car, they aim it at 35-45 year old buyers.
Firstly, not sure if troll.

Secondly, that's not old man.

Thirdly, surprising. I assumed they aimed for the 25-35 market with a c-class.

PDP76

2,063 posts

113 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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cerb4.5lee said:
PDP76 said:
I’ll stick to my 350 C204 with this one.
I've been happy with the 350d engine(not the most exciting being a diesel but it does suit the car for me) in the GLC. You can't get a V6(or any 6 cylinder) diesel engine in the GLC now(I don't want a 4 cylinder engine in something as heavy as that) so I will be hanging onto it now.
I’ve never driven a merc with the 350 V6 diesel to be honest, but I imagine it’s perfectly suited to the glc size and weight.
For myself the only upgrade option I currently see for myself in my affordable range would be 204 C63 or the 205 C43.
Maybe the newer C class will be a grower, not seen a coupe version yet or the AMG variant.
Hopefully be pleasantly surprised ?!

Gweeds

776 posts

15 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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WantAnXKR

8 posts

129 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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Why oh why have Merc abandoned their traditional grille shape for the glum, sad-faced downturned thing they stick on the front of all their latest models?

I know BMW are going down the route of truffle-snuffling pig with their latest 'designs' and AUDI nail a fireplace grate to the front of theirs but I thought, probably naively, that Merc were above grille wars...

stickleback123

7,515 posts

152 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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raspy said:
old man's car

35-45 year old buyers.
Cheeky sod! That's a man in the prime of his life, a virile young buck ready to take on the world.

No where has my mug of ovaltine gone?

WantAnXKR said:
Why oh why have Merc abandoned their traditional grille shape for the glum, sad-faced downturned thing they stick on the front of all their latest models?

I know BMW are going down the route of truffle-snuffling pig with their latest 'designs' and AUDI nail a fireplace grate to the front of theirs but I thought, probably naively, that Merc were above grille wars...
The three of them have been in an absolute creative void since the mid 00s, aping each other in every way such that three brands that once had unique and distinctive offerings are now produce cars that are all but devoid of any real identity once you take off the silly detailing tropes like the giant grilles. All chasing the middle of the market for volume, and losing all personality in the process.

The 7 series and S-Class are the perfect example, there is absolutely to separate them anymore, whereas an E32 7 Series and W140 S Class were very different cars.

Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 23 February 20:28

Chestrockwell

2,366 posts

120 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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raspy said:
LOL You got a c-class for fun driving experiences? MB make it very clear that the C class as a model is focused on comfort and luxury (which is emphasised even more with the W206 model)

Of course it's an old man's car, they aim it at 35-45 year old buyers.

I think the new one looks rather ordinary from the outside but at least the interior looks bloody marvellous, love all the new advanced tech and provided the voice commands with MBUX work well, I don't see that much of an issue with having a giant touchscreen.
Well I didn’t get it expecting it to be a fun performance car but I thought being a midsize Mercedes with 240 bhp that I could have a bit of fun in it like I would with a BMW. It has all the ingredients of a great car but just falls short.

If I’m going to recommend a C-Class, I’d say get the C200d because the performance is wasted

cerb4.5lee

17,803 posts

143 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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raspy said:
LOL You got a c-class for fun driving experiences? MB make it very clear that the C class as a model is focused on comfort and luxury (which is emphasised even more with the W206 model)
That was something that really struck me about the GLC when I first got it(first Mercedes I've had). It really does the comfort and steady eddie bit very well(certainly in comparison to the Bmw's I'd had before it). A BMW certainly aims more at the sporty side of things I reckon.

Porkymerc

24 posts

88 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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ZX10R NIN said:
I think Mercedes are missing a trick by not putting the 400d drivetrain in the C Class.
I would think it is down to the fact that the engine is a straight six and is physically too long to go in a C class snout. Previous C320cdi was the V6 Sprinter mill. The five cylinder C270cdi engine was a tight fit. Many years ago the 190E had the 2.6 straight six with a modified radiator position so it would fit.

Mercedes have gone back to straight six for diesel, likely due to having had issues with the V6 engines. Also the exhaust after treatment system is integrated into the engine rather than being downstream under the car and a V6 engine would make this much trickier to package. Besides, everyone knows a diesel works best as a straight six unless you can only fit a straight five in 😊

Zedboy

666 posts

174 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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The rear of the saloon has a big dollop of Alfa about it. Looks nice, but sounds like the drive is very ‘Audi’ and totally risk averse systems-wise. BMW all the way for me now, especially to escape that interior

jason61c

4,114 posts

137 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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I've just got an e400d, that engine and drivetrain is totally amazing.

So much better than what was in my 640d and that's saying something.

cerb4.5lee

17,803 posts

143 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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jason61c said:
I've just got an e400d, that engine and drivetrain is totally amazing.

So much better than what was in my 640d and that's saying something.
That is very high praise for sure. I thought that the straight 6 40d/ZF8 auto gearbox combo was really good in my 640d(certainly better than the V6 350d/9 speed auto combo in the GLC for me).

raspy

388 posts

57 months

Tuesday 23rd February
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williamp said:
Ugh. Of course it has to be bigger. Longer, wider, taller and heavier no doubt. Probably now the size on an e clas from a few yars back. Harder to park, takes up more space etc et ...
Wouldn't it be easier to park given it has the option of rear wheel steering which reduces the turning circle vs the current C class?