Downcast about EVs
Discussion
biggbn said:
I feel exactly the opposite to the OP, I can't wait for good ev to become more affordable. A low maintenance, frugal, quiet car that can be programmed to be sitting warm and defrosted for you in the morning and ultimately drive you to your work whilst you get on with something more important. Brilliant, what's not to like. Who LIKES driving in town, in traffic, crawling along...?
I think that will be a benefit for many. Conversely, invest in a house with a garage and dial in to work. That also solves those problems but instead of your elevated monthly commitments just going in the bin they'll be appreciating plus because you are consuming less you will be doing something positive for the environment. I think that as a culture we have become so addicted to shopping and consumption that we automatically think the solution to any problem is found through buying or renting a depreciating object when the obvious reality is that all of our problems, lack of savings, third world exploitation, pollution, personal debt mountains are caused by excess consumer spending.
One can rarely put a fire out by adding more accelerant.
Personally, I have made a point of never needing a car to commute. Sure, living in the middle of London most of my life made that easy and will have also shown just how much easier and more pleasant it is not to be getting into a utility transport box every day and joining a queue of millions of drones.
If you have no choice then for most suburban, urban commuters where the roads are dull and uniform a box that is quieter, smoother, cheaper to own and easier to refuel will be an improvement.
But alternatively, just get rid of that utility bo altogether. No one likes them whether they are powered by petrol or electricity. They are monuments to blandness. The real technological gains are the ones that free is from having to own these dull boxes.
We are living right now at the greatest moment for car enthusiasts. Behind us we have all the cars ever built that we can select from, we have an absolutely enormous array of modern cars from V12s down to 3 pots and we have a rapidly expanding range of electric cars appearing.
It's the greatest time to be a car enthusiast so why does everyone spend their money on some s
thouse bore box that's identical to all the other bore boxes, only differentiated by a logo and what the PR spend tells people to think? Rather than celebrating turds that depreciate and sentence is to a life of spending, we could be using all the modern tech and social advances to free ourselves from needing to have these boxes and instead invest. It's obviously not possible for everyone but the most exciting part of the future is not having to own or use a boring box on wheels for boring things.
craigjm said:
Are you over 40? If so then just make sure you have the ice cars you want in 2030ish and keep driving them. Fuel won’t be banned until 2050 by which time anyone born in the 70s or earlier will have hung up their driving gloves or shuffled off.
That suits me, I'll be gone by then (probably the 2030s!).It's maybe an age thing. I find the electric cars quite boring too.
I'm not worried yet. I love ICE just as much as the next man. I've had 4's, 6's and 8's. Never owned an EV.
ICE cars even now have 'piped in' engine noise. That amuses me greatly. But imagine this...
For the most part an EV's power delivery is not very characterful. Generally a great big slug of torque that dissipates as the speed climbs. All with very little noise. But, it doesn't have to be this way.
As an example, take a Nissan GT-R - together with it's flappy paddle gearbox.
Imagine taking that same Nissan GT-R and giving it the exact same performance - only using EV tech.
It now have a characterless power delivery right?
It's now far more silent than before right?
Well, it doesn't have to be. The EV motor is digitally controlled right? So why not program in character. A computer could EASILY control the power delivery of the motor. Completely changing it. Instead of having immense torque right from the off - it could be PROGRAMMED to build torque in a similar way to an ICE motor. Just like drive modes in today's ICE cars, why not have various a simulated ICE engine modes?
You want a normally aspirated Honda VTEC that revs to 9,000 complete with VTEC hit at 6,000 RPM - you got it.
You want a torquey low revving V8 - you got it.
You want a supercharged 6-cylinder - you got it.
You want a 4-cyl with monster turbo boost - you got it.
Just like car noises are simulated in the cabin of the car. The same can be done with all of the above. I know all lot of people turn their noses up at those fake noises, but I've heard some reviewers actually say that some of them sound pretty good. Heard this recently about the GR Yaris.
Most EV's don't need gears right. But who's to say that cannot be simulated too? Ok, a manual gearbox with a clutch is likely a bit to much length to go to. But a flappy paddle set up in our example GT-R can EASILY be simulated.
Personally, if they could replicate the power delivery, the hard shifts when pulling a paddle and the noise that goes with it. It's not going to feel much different to the real thing. All without causing real noise pollution.
So, I'm not worried. There's still some way to go with EV's yet. I'm hoping that the car manufacturers don't forget us petrol heads - and give us something we will enjoy going forward.
Personally, I'd be happy to own an EV hot hatch with simulated gears via flappy paddles. With a selection of suitable drive modes simulated.
One day it can be a highly strung NA Honda Civic Type-R - in power delivery and noise.
The next day, you might fancy a turbo four with big boost - all simulated.
It's entirely possible.
Cheers!
ICE cars even now have 'piped in' engine noise. That amuses me greatly. But imagine this...
For the most part an EV's power delivery is not very characterful. Generally a great big slug of torque that dissipates as the speed climbs. All with very little noise. But, it doesn't have to be this way.
As an example, take a Nissan GT-R - together with it's flappy paddle gearbox.
Imagine taking that same Nissan GT-R and giving it the exact same performance - only using EV tech.
It now have a characterless power delivery right?
It's now far more silent than before right?
Well, it doesn't have to be. The EV motor is digitally controlled right? So why not program in character. A computer could EASILY control the power delivery of the motor. Completely changing it. Instead of having immense torque right from the off - it could be PROGRAMMED to build torque in a similar way to an ICE motor. Just like drive modes in today's ICE cars, why not have various a simulated ICE engine modes?
You want a normally aspirated Honda VTEC that revs to 9,000 complete with VTEC hit at 6,000 RPM - you got it.
You want a torquey low revving V8 - you got it.
You want a supercharged 6-cylinder - you got it.
You want a 4-cyl with monster turbo boost - you got it.
Just like car noises are simulated in the cabin of the car. The same can be done with all of the above. I know all lot of people turn their noses up at those fake noises, but I've heard some reviewers actually say that some of them sound pretty good. Heard this recently about the GR Yaris.
Most EV's don't need gears right. But who's to say that cannot be simulated too? Ok, a manual gearbox with a clutch is likely a bit to much length to go to. But a flappy paddle set up in our example GT-R can EASILY be simulated.
Personally, if they could replicate the power delivery, the hard shifts when pulling a paddle and the noise that goes with it. It's not going to feel much different to the real thing. All without causing real noise pollution.
So, I'm not worried. There's still some way to go with EV's yet. I'm hoping that the car manufacturers don't forget us petrol heads - and give us something we will enjoy going forward.
Personally, I'd be happy to own an EV hot hatch with simulated gears via flappy paddles. With a selection of suitable drive modes simulated.
One day it can be a highly strung NA Honda Civic Type-R - in power delivery and noise.
The next day, you might fancy a turbo four with big boost - all simulated.
It's entirely possible.
Cheers!
kiseca said:
Personally I think the last thing EV cars need to do is shy away from their own identity and try and pretend they're something else. They have their own strengths, things that an ICE car can't match, and should flaunt those instead of trying not to offend the nostalgic.
For many, EVs are a better solution than the dull mid size SUV with a turbo 3 or 4 pot they currently drive.The question is whether there is a market for a Lyn EV than can emulate a more characterful car but retain the benefits of EV.
Given how few 2 seater sports cars there are on sale currently, the market might not be big enough.
survivalist said:
kiseca said:
Personally I think the last thing EV cars need to do is shy away from their own identity and try and pretend they're something else. They have their own strengths, things that an ICE car can't match, and should flaunt those instead of trying not to offend the nostalgic.
For many, EVs are a better solution than the dull mid size SUV with a turbo 3 or 4 pot they currently drive.The question is whether there is a market for a Lyn EV than can emulate a more characterful car but retain the benefits of EV.
Given how few 2 seater sports cars there are on sale currently, the market might not be big enough.
QBee said:
mybrainhurts said:
QBee said:
I still have a horse, just in case the car breaks down (like it did Friday evening).
It farts for Europe, but nobody is banning horses.....yet.
No, not as long as they're served on the French dinner table.It farts for Europe, but nobody is banning horses.....yet.
PS....sorry, I'll get me coat.
DazzaSport said:
I'm not worried yet. I love ICE just as much as the next man. I've had 4's, 6's and 8's. Never owned an EV.
ICE cars even now have 'piped in' engine noise. That amuses me greatly. But imagine this...
For the most part an EV's power delivery is not very characterful. Generally a great big slug of torque that dissipates as the speed climbs. All with very little noise. But, it doesn't have to be this way.
As an example, take a Nissan GT-R - together with it's flappy paddle gearbox.
Imagine taking that same Nissan GT-R and giving it the exact same performance - only using EV tech.
It now have a characterless power delivery right?
It's now far more silent than before right?
Well, it doesn't have to be. The EV motor is digitally controlled right? So why not program in character. A computer could EASILY control the power delivery of the motor. Completely changing it. Instead of having immense torque right from the off - it could be PROGRAMMED to build torque in a similar way to an ICE motor. Just like drive modes in today's ICE cars, why not have various a simulated ICE engine modes?
You want a normally aspirated Honda VTEC that revs to 9,000 complete with VTEC hit at 6,000 RPM - you got it.
You want a torquey low revving V8 - you got it.
You want a supercharged 6-cylinder - you got it.
You want a 4-cyl with monster turbo boost - you got it.
Just like car noises are simulated in the cabin of the car. The same can be done with all of the above. I know all lot of people turn their noses up at those fake noises, but I've heard some reviewers actually say that some of them sound pretty good. Heard this recently about the GR Yaris.
Most EV's don't need gears right. But who's to say that cannot be simulated too? Ok, a manual gearbox with a clutch is likely a bit to much length to go to. But a flappy paddle set up in our example GT-R can EASILY be simulated.
Personally, if they could replicate the power delivery, the hard shifts when pulling a paddle and the noise that goes with it. It's not going to feel much different to the real thing. All without causing real noise pollution.
So, I'm not worried. There's still some way to go with EV's yet. I'm hoping that the car manufacturers don't forget us petrol heads - and give us something we will enjoy going forward.
Personally, I'd be happy to own an EV hot hatch with simulated gears via flappy paddles. With a selection of suitable drive modes simulated.
One day it can be a highly strung NA Honda Civic Type-R - in power delivery and noise.
The next day, you might fancy a turbo four with big boost - all simulated.
It's entirely possible.
Cheers!
Errr, why?ICE cars even now have 'piped in' engine noise. That amuses me greatly. But imagine this...
For the most part an EV's power delivery is not very characterful. Generally a great big slug of torque that dissipates as the speed climbs. All with very little noise. But, it doesn't have to be this way.
As an example, take a Nissan GT-R - together with it's flappy paddle gearbox.
Imagine taking that same Nissan GT-R and giving it the exact same performance - only using EV tech.
It now have a characterless power delivery right?
It's now far more silent than before right?
Well, it doesn't have to be. The EV motor is digitally controlled right? So why not program in character. A computer could EASILY control the power delivery of the motor. Completely changing it. Instead of having immense torque right from the off - it could be PROGRAMMED to build torque in a similar way to an ICE motor. Just like drive modes in today's ICE cars, why not have various a simulated ICE engine modes?
You want a normally aspirated Honda VTEC that revs to 9,000 complete with VTEC hit at 6,000 RPM - you got it.
You want a torquey low revving V8 - you got it.
You want a supercharged 6-cylinder - you got it.
You want a 4-cyl with monster turbo boost - you got it.
Just like car noises are simulated in the cabin of the car. The same can be done with all of the above. I know all lot of people turn their noses up at those fake noises, but I've heard some reviewers actually say that some of them sound pretty good. Heard this recently about the GR Yaris.
Most EV's don't need gears right. But who's to say that cannot be simulated too? Ok, a manual gearbox with a clutch is likely a bit to much length to go to. But a flappy paddle set up in our example GT-R can EASILY be simulated.
Personally, if they could replicate the power delivery, the hard shifts when pulling a paddle and the noise that goes with it. It's not going to feel much different to the real thing. All without causing real noise pollution.
So, I'm not worried. There's still some way to go with EV's yet. I'm hoping that the car manufacturers don't forget us petrol heads - and give us something we will enjoy going forward.
Personally, I'd be happy to own an EV hot hatch with simulated gears via flappy paddles. With a selection of suitable drive modes simulated.
One day it can be a highly strung NA Honda Civic Type-R - in power delivery and noise.
The next day, you might fancy a turbo four with big boost - all simulated.
It's entirely possible.
Cheers!
survivalist said:
kiseca said:
Personally I think the last thing EV cars need to do is shy away from their own identity and try and pretend they're something else. They have their own strengths, things that an ICE car can't match, and should flaunt those instead of trying not to offend the nostalgic.
For many, EVs are a better solution than the dull mid size SUV with a turbo 3 or 4 pot they currently drive.The question is whether there is a market for a Lyn EV than can emulate a more characterful car but retain the benefits of EV.
Given how few 2 seater sports cars there are on sale currently, the market might not be big enough.
Plenty of characterful cars are thus not because of their engine nor gearbox. Lotuses are all about feedback, ride and handling. Jaguars are a supple ride combined with good roadholding. Mercedes focus on luxury. No reason for EVs to lose any of that if the designers want to keep it.
DazzaSport said:
I'm not worried yet. I love ICE just as much as the next man. I've had 4's, 6's and 8's. Never owned an EV.
ICE cars even now have 'piped in' engine noise. That amuses me greatly. But imagine this...
For the most part an EV's power delivery is not very characterful. Generally a great big slug of torque that dissipates as the speed climbs. All with very little noise. But, it doesn't have to be this way.
As an example, take a Nissan GT-R - together with it's flappy paddle gearbox.
Imagine taking that same Nissan GT-R and giving it the exact same performance - only using EV tech.
It now have a characterless power delivery right?
It's now far more silent than before right?
Well, it doesn't have to be. The EV motor is digitally controlled right? So why not program in character. A computer could EASILY control the power delivery of the motor. Completely changing it. Instead of having immense torque right from the off - it could be PROGRAMMED to build torque in a similar way to an ICE motor. Just like drive modes in today's ICE cars, why not have various a simulated ICE engine modes?
You want a normally aspirated Honda VTEC that revs to 9,000 complete with VTEC hit at 6,000 RPM - you got it.
You want a torquey low revving V8 - you got it.
You want a supercharged 6-cylinder - you got it.
You want a 4-cyl with monster turbo boost - you got it.
Just like car noises are simulated in the cabin of the car. The same can be done with all of the above. I know all lot of people turn their noses up at those fake noises, but I've heard some reviewers actually say that some of them sound pretty good. Heard this recently about the GR Yaris.
Most EV's don't need gears right. But who's to say that cannot be simulated too? Ok, a manual gearbox with a clutch is likely a bit to much length to go to. But a flappy paddle set up in our example GT-R can EASILY be simulated.
Personally, if they could replicate the power delivery, the hard shifts when pulling a paddle and the noise that goes with it. It's not going to feel much different to the real thing. All without causing real noise pollution.
So, I'm not worried. There's still some way to go with EV's yet. I'm hoping that the car manufacturers don't forget us petrol heads - and give us something we will enjoy going forward.
Personally, I'd be happy to own an EV hot hatch with simulated gears via flappy paddles. With a selection of suitable drive modes simulated.
One day it can be a highly strung NA Honda Civic Type-R - in power delivery and noise.
The next day, you might fancy a turbo four with big boost - all simulated.
It's entirely possible.
Cheers!
I saw the future - LOL.ICE cars even now have 'piped in' engine noise. That amuses me greatly. But imagine this...
For the most part an EV's power delivery is not very characterful. Generally a great big slug of torque that dissipates as the speed climbs. All with very little noise. But, it doesn't have to be this way.
As an example, take a Nissan GT-R - together with it's flappy paddle gearbox.
Imagine taking that same Nissan GT-R and giving it the exact same performance - only using EV tech.
It now have a characterless power delivery right?
It's now far more silent than before right?
Well, it doesn't have to be. The EV motor is digitally controlled right? So why not program in character. A computer could EASILY control the power delivery of the motor. Completely changing it. Instead of having immense torque right from the off - it could be PROGRAMMED to build torque in a similar way to an ICE motor. Just like drive modes in today's ICE cars, why not have various a simulated ICE engine modes?
You want a normally aspirated Honda VTEC that revs to 9,000 complete with VTEC hit at 6,000 RPM - you got it.
You want a torquey low revving V8 - you got it.
You want a supercharged 6-cylinder - you got it.
You want a 4-cyl with monster turbo boost - you got it.
Just like car noises are simulated in the cabin of the car. The same can be done with all of the above. I know all lot of people turn their noses up at those fake noises, but I've heard some reviewers actually say that some of them sound pretty good. Heard this recently about the GR Yaris.
Most EV's don't need gears right. But who's to say that cannot be simulated too? Ok, a manual gearbox with a clutch is likely a bit to much length to go to. But a flappy paddle set up in our example GT-R can EASILY be simulated.
Personally, if they could replicate the power delivery, the hard shifts when pulling a paddle and the noise that goes with it. It's not going to feel much different to the real thing. All without causing real noise pollution.
So, I'm not worried. There's still some way to go with EV's yet. I'm hoping that the car manufacturers don't forget us petrol heads - and give us something we will enjoy going forward.
Personally, I'd be happy to own an EV hot hatch with simulated gears via flappy paddles. With a selection of suitable drive modes simulated.
One day it can be a highly strung NA Honda Civic Type-R - in power delivery and noise.
The next day, you might fancy a turbo four with big boost - all simulated.
It's entirely possible.
Cheers!
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tommy1973s said:
The end of ICE is a first World problem, agreed. Nonetheless, while self driving battery cars will suit many, I couldn't care less. I was reading Autocar today and lots of the coverage is EVs. I've talked myself into gloom about it.
It's like you've been buying a football magazine all your life, and then, without telling you, they convert it to golf or something. Or lacrosse. Whatever that is.
Just soulless transport pods.
I'm excited about battery powered self flying personal planes alright. The excitement of being airborne, despite having no flying skills, would compensate.
But for cars, the trend is inexorably towards ever-increasing boredom and passivity. Just sitting there, doing SFA. It'd be like if they banned skiing and made you ride up and down on the chair lifts instead. Quicker, easier, and safer - but no fun.
I agree 100%. I'm feeling pretty gloomy about it as well, but the most depressing thing for me is the way it's being forced on us, at our expense, without any consultation, before we are ready for EVs. It's almost an exercise in fascism. I'm not just talking about infrastructure, which is nowhere near ready, I'm also talking about the ability to generate enough electricity. We already have to import deforested trees (which they slyly call bio pellets) from thousands of miles away, to meet demand. Very green that is. There is vast exploitation to obtain the minerals we need for EVs, with child labour and environmental devastation. Where these minerals exist, the Chinese have bought massive influence so eventually they will have almost absolute power over our access to these minerals. The Chinese are undertaking the greatest exercise in colonialism ever seen, except they are doing it with money, not muskets. Our future needs have not been fully considered, because our politicians are incapable of planning ahead for anything. That's why we have no gas reserves. On top of all this, for most people, EVs are not practical or desirable, they are not particularly green, and they are too expensive. It is a shameful policy.
Sighs : )
It's like you've been buying a football magazine all your life, and then, without telling you, they convert it to golf or something. Or lacrosse. Whatever that is.
Just soulless transport pods.
I'm excited about battery powered self flying personal planes alright. The excitement of being airborne, despite having no flying skills, would compensate.
But for cars, the trend is inexorably towards ever-increasing boredom and passivity. Just sitting there, doing SFA. It'd be like if they banned skiing and made you ride up and down on the chair lifts instead. Quicker, easier, and safer - but no fun.
I agree 100%. I'm feeling pretty gloomy about it as well, but the most depressing thing for me is the way it's being forced on us, at our expense, without any consultation, before we are ready for EVs. It's almost an exercise in fascism. I'm not just talking about infrastructure, which is nowhere near ready, I'm also talking about the ability to generate enough electricity. We already have to import deforested trees (which they slyly call bio pellets) from thousands of miles away, to meet demand. Very green that is. There is vast exploitation to obtain the minerals we need for EVs, with child labour and environmental devastation. Where these minerals exist, the Chinese have bought massive influence so eventually they will have almost absolute power over our access to these minerals. The Chinese are undertaking the greatest exercise in colonialism ever seen, except they are doing it with money, not muskets. Our future needs have not been fully considered, because our politicians are incapable of planning ahead for anything. That's why we have no gas reserves. On top of all this, for most people, EVs are not practical or desirable, they are not particularly green, and they are too expensive. It is a shameful policy.
Sighs : )
Edited by lornemalvo on Friday 18th February 12:16
DazzaSport said:
DazzaSport said:
I'm not worried yet. I love ICE just as much as the next man. I've had 4's, 6's and 8's. Never owned an EV.
ICE cars even now have 'piped in' engine noise. That amuses me greatly. But imagine this...
For the most part an EV's power delivery is not very characterful. Generally a great big slug of torque that dissipates as the speed climbs. All with very little noise. But, it doesn't have to be this way.
As an example, take a Nissan GT-R - together with it's flappy paddle gearbox.
Imagine taking that same Nissan GT-R and giving it the exact same performance - only using EV tech.
It now have a characterless power delivery right?
It's now far more silent than before right?
Well, it doesn't have to be. The EV motor is digitally controlled right? So why not program in character. A computer could EASILY control the power delivery of the motor. Completely changing it. Instead of having immense torque right from the off - it could be PROGRAMMED to build torque in a similar way to an ICE motor. Just like drive modes in today's ICE cars, why not have various a simulated ICE engine modes?
You want a normally aspirated Honda VTEC that revs to 9,000 complete with VTEC hit at 6,000 RPM - you got it.
You want a torquey low revving V8 - you got it.
You want a supercharged 6-cylinder - you got it.
You want a 4-cyl with monster turbo boost - you got it.
Just like car noises are simulated in the cabin of the car. The same can be done with all of the above. I know all lot of people turn their noses up at those fake noises, but I've heard some reviewers actually say that some of them sound pretty good. Heard this recently about the GR Yaris.
Most EV's don't need gears right. But who's to say that cannot be simulated too? Ok, a manual gearbox with a clutch is likely a bit to much length to go to. But a flappy paddle set up in our example GT-R can EASILY be simulated.
Personally, if they could replicate the power delivery, the hard shifts when pulling a paddle and the noise that goes with it. It's not going to feel much different to the real thing. All without causing real noise pollution.
So, I'm not worried. There's still some way to go with EV's yet. I'm hoping that the car manufacturers don't forget us petrol heads - and give us something we will enjoy going forward.
Personally, I'd be happy to own an EV hot hatch with simulated gears via flappy paddles. With a selection of suitable drive modes simulated.
One day it can be a highly strung NA Honda Civic Type-R - in power delivery and noise.
The next day, you might fancy a turbo four with big boost - all simulated.
It's entirely possible.
Cheers!
I saw the future - LOL.ICE cars even now have 'piped in' engine noise. That amuses me greatly. But imagine this...
For the most part an EV's power delivery is not very characterful. Generally a great big slug of torque that dissipates as the speed climbs. All with very little noise. But, it doesn't have to be this way.
As an example, take a Nissan GT-R - together with it's flappy paddle gearbox.
Imagine taking that same Nissan GT-R and giving it the exact same performance - only using EV tech.
It now have a characterless power delivery right?
It's now far more silent than before right?
Well, it doesn't have to be. The EV motor is digitally controlled right? So why not program in character. A computer could EASILY control the power delivery of the motor. Completely changing it. Instead of having immense torque right from the off - it could be PROGRAMMED to build torque in a similar way to an ICE motor. Just like drive modes in today's ICE cars, why not have various a simulated ICE engine modes?
You want a normally aspirated Honda VTEC that revs to 9,000 complete with VTEC hit at 6,000 RPM - you got it.
You want a torquey low revving V8 - you got it.
You want a supercharged 6-cylinder - you got it.
You want a 4-cyl with monster turbo boost - you got it.
Just like car noises are simulated in the cabin of the car. The same can be done with all of the above. I know all lot of people turn their noses up at those fake noises, but I've heard some reviewers actually say that some of them sound pretty good. Heard this recently about the GR Yaris.
Most EV's don't need gears right. But who's to say that cannot be simulated too? Ok, a manual gearbox with a clutch is likely a bit to much length to go to. But a flappy paddle set up in our example GT-R can EASILY be simulated.
Personally, if they could replicate the power delivery, the hard shifts when pulling a paddle and the noise that goes with it. It's not going to feel much different to the real thing. All without causing real noise pollution.
So, I'm not worried. There's still some way to go with EV's yet. I'm hoping that the car manufacturers don't forget us petrol heads - and give us something we will enjoy going forward.
Personally, I'd be happy to own an EV hot hatch with simulated gears via flappy paddles. With a selection of suitable drive modes simulated.
One day it can be a highly strung NA Honda Civic Type-R - in power delivery and noise.
The next day, you might fancy a turbo four with big boost - all simulated.
It's entirely possible.
Cheers!
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-1...
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Bizarre that people should have such an affection for a mechanism that existed to overcome the inherent shortcomings of combustion engines.
A bit like buying a push bike with a modern groupo and fitting it with dt shifters. Or buying an assault rifle (jurisdiction allowing) and using it without the gas parts.
A bit like buying a push bike with a modern groupo and fitting it with dt shifters. Or buying an assault rifle (jurisdiction allowing) and using it without the gas parts.
Mr E said:
SWoll said:
nunpuncher said:
I'm yet to meet someone who owns an EV that isn't a .
PH at its finest. .Perhaps you just know a lot of
s?t but I don’t think I’m a I hope that helps.
Also, i suspect that nunpuncher will think that I am a
, and I am. The main benefit of being a is that I don't really care what intellectually sub-par nonentities like him think. Edited by Harry Flashman on Friday 18th February 17:58
AmyRichardson said:
Bizarre that people should have such an affection for a mechanism that existed to overcome the inherent shortcomings of combustion engines.
A bit like buying a push bike with a modern groupo and fitting it with dt shifters. Or buying an assault rifle (jurisdiction allowing) and using it without the gas parts.
Because it’s fun…A bit like buying a push bike with a modern groupo and fitting it with dt shifters. Or buying an assault rifle (jurisdiction allowing) and using it without the gas parts.
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