RE: Audi RS e-tron GT | UK Review

RE: Audi RS e-tron GT | UK Review

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danp

1,420 posts

226 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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unpc said:
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I find it strange that after all this time, no one else gets close to the efficiency of Tesla.
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Perhaps Tesla are particularly good at gaming the system. The Taycan does badly in the EPA tests but is much better in reality, as per:

https://insideevs.com/news/487329/tesla-fails-meet...

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a33824052/ad...



TyrannosauRoss Lex

26,750 posts

176 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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It does appear that the Tesla drivers judge cars purely on numbers such as range, 0-60 and top speed. Having been in a Tesla the interior just felt pretty naff for a supposedly premium product. I'd happily sacrifice a bit of performance and a bit of range for a nicer interior and a nicer looking car with a better dealer network.

AB

16,036 posts

159 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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fblm said:
If it's anything like the Taycan, very little appetite for pads and discs due to regen braking most of the time.
Glad you said it.

I think this is a gorgeous looking car.

okenemem

1,008 posts

158 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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looks amazing

Clarkedontgo

158 posts

23 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Spectacular!, well done Audi

SWoll

10,827 posts

222 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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kambites said:
SWoll said:
If judged purely on efficiency then no, but then charging speeds and consistency on these VAG products do put Tesla to shame so not as big an issue as suggested even for those doing big mileages?
Even if that's true (which I'm not convinced of) how many chargers are there which can feed these things fast enough for it to help?




Number of chargers is of course constantly growing but you can see the advantage at the currently more common 175kW units.

E-Tron 55 even more impressive and a likely sign of things to coe for the Taycan/E-Tron GT?



TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
It does appear that the Tesla drivers judge cars purely on numbers such as range, 0-60 and top speed. Having been in a Tesla the interior just felt pretty naff for a supposedly premium product. I'd happily sacrifice a bit of performance and a bit of range for a nicer interior and a nicer looking car with a better dealer network.
The issue being as with the Polestar 2 you have to sacrifice performance, efficiency, charging options, driving enjoyment and standard equipment for a car with build quality that's still not great according to quite a few reviews/owners.

It's the overall package that has impressed me, but it's certainly not without its faults.

Edited by SWoll on Wednesday 3rd March 21:47

Terminator X

10,745 posts

168 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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Escort Si-130 said:
Also I am sure many of those complaining about the cars weight probably are obese, so it is easy to take it out on the car rather than themself.
Classic PH rofl

TX.

C_Boomerang

4 posts

42 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
It does appear that the Tesla drivers judge cars purely on numbers such as range, 0-60 and top speed. Having been in a Tesla the interior just felt pretty naff for a supposedly premium product. I'd happily sacrifice a bit of performance and a bit of range for a nicer interior and a nicer looking car with a better dealer network.
That’s because that’s where the Tesla excels, in the same way a Lotus driver will probably judge cars purely on weight and steering feel (and a Fiat Multipla driver will judge them purely on looks?!?).

Mine is hugely quick and the handling impressive (and surprisingly adjustable) given the weight. BUT I pine for a manual gearbox and miss the noise of an ICE; I’d swap for a new Civic Type-R in a heartbeat if it wouldn’t cost me a fortune in tax.

For me the interior is on a par with any BMW product I’ve had (and better than any Merc I’ve been in). Build quality not the best but nothing I’d consider a major concern.

Edited by C_Boomerang on Wednesday 3rd March 22:54

SDK

104 posts

217 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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So many people shocked or complaining about the weight of this, or any other EV. It’s like they forget there are a pallet of batteries built into the floor tongue out
Also, how many of the people moaning about the weight have actually driven an EV?!?! The majority it is located in the floor of the car, so centre of gravity is extremely low. They drive and feel completely different to an ICE car of the same weight.

SDK

104 posts

217 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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LordFlathead said:
Sure the Audi guys will love this but at £130k it's nothing special performance wise. The Tesla Model 3 LR is just as capable at £51.5k with the add on Performance Boost. Brings acceleration to within 0.1 seconds, and the Model 3 is 400KG lighter and way more efficient. Tesla also has a shorter wheelbase and fires out of bends just the same and it has better regenerative braking. LR has 300 miles range plus.. Then there is the Supercharger network. Even if the Audi was the same price as a Model 3 I would take the Tesla everyday over anything else that relies on the public charging network, it's just not reliable, maybe in 5 years time but not now. Audi shouts "Look at me!" Model 3 doesn't grab any unwanted attention.. maybe I'm getting too old wink

How about comparing it to the Tesla Model S which is more of a like for like offering then?

Tesla Model S Plaid £110k
390mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
1.99s

Tesla Model S Plaid + £130k
520+mi
Range (Est.)
200mph
Top Speed
<1.99s

Keep your Audi..

Did I mention the Supercharger network? smile
Spot the Tesla fanboy argue

Tesla need to spend less time chasing performance numbers and spend more effort on building a decent interior. Along with ensuring a quality fit and finish on the end product.

LordFlathead

8,978 posts

222 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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SDK said:
Spot the Tesla fanboy argue

Tesla need to spend less time chasing performance numbers and spend more effort on building a decent interior. Along with ensuring a quality fit and finish on the end product.
I'm sure tesla will listen to your professional advice.. even though you don't even own one laugh

LuS1fer

37,497 posts

209 months

Wednesday 3rd March
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LordFlathead said:
I'm sure tesla will listen to your professional advice.. even though you don't even own one laugh
Did you buy yours outright? Or is it leased?

Fact is the Teslas are not attractive cars, not even in a bland way.
But you look at their pickup and realise style is not on the agenda.

fblm

18,737 posts

227 months

Thursday 4th March
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LordFlathead said:
...17" web-enabled touch screen, Netflix, Spotify and games? Does is also feature Autopilot, automatically upgrades itself while you are asleep? Has CCTV, 3 reversing cameras, inbuilt dash cam, mirrors that automatically pull in when going through width restrictions based on GPS? Has a 15 speaker, two amplifier premium audio system was a proper subwoofer? Adaptive "follow the road" LED headlights? ...
I don't want or need any of that shlte be it on an EV or ICE! OK I'll take the stereo but the rest I wouldn't spec if it was free and I'd pay extra not to have the fugly big screen. Netflix? WTF! All I want is a car that's fast and fun to drive at any speed and the Tesla S just isn't, comedy acceleration aside it's as fun to drive as a $20,000 US airport rental.

Fastdruid

7,050 posts

116 months

Thursday 4th March
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fblm said:
LordFlathead said:
...17" web-enabled touch screen, Netflix, Spotify and games? Does is also feature Autopilot, automatically upgrades itself while you are asleep? Has CCTV, 3 reversing cameras, inbuilt dash cam, mirrors that automatically pull in when going through width restrictions based on GPS? Has a 15 speaker, two amplifier premium audio system was a proper subwoofer? Adaptive "follow the road" LED headlights? ...
I don't want or need any of that shlte be it on an EV or ICE! OK I'll take the stereo but the rest I wouldn't spec if it was free and I'd pay extra not to have the fugly big screen. Netflix? WTF! All I want is a car that's fast and fun to drive at any speed and the Tesla S just isn't, comedy acceleration aside it's as fun to drive as a $20,000 US airport rental.
Ditto. None of that I want anyway (apart again from maybe the stereo).

I mean the mirrors, really? I think I have once ever folded my mirrors in "while driving" because it's too narrow and that has been while passing another car *not* because GPS said it was "too narrow".

CAMELZED

38 posts

138 months

Thursday 4th March
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Fish and chips smell using " batter" power. Mmm!

jason61c

4,166 posts

138 months

Thursday 4th March
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LordFlathead said:
SDK said:
Spot the Tesla fanboy argue

Tesla need to spend less time chasing performance numbers and spend more effort on building a decent interior. Along with ensuring a quality fit and finish on the end product.
I'm sure tesla will listen to your professional advice.. even though you don't even own one laugh
There’s nothing ‘cool’ about owning a Tesla. Especially a model 3.

GR_WILL

654 posts

42 months

Thursday 4th March
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I really like that, even in st the bed brown.

Bobtherallyfan

677 posts

42 months

Thursday 4th March
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jason61c said:
There’s nothing ‘cool’ about owning a Tesla. Especially a model 3.
That is so true.

Evanivitch

8,790 posts

86 months

Thursday 4th March
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Terminator X said:
Evanivitch said:
Terminator X said:
Evanivitch said:
BlackWidow13 said:
2.4 tonnes. That is a lot of tonnes.
The RS7 is over 2 tonnes too! Lightweight isn't part of the target market.
Bigger batteries for more range / power / acceleration means it will get worse before Miraculous Battery Improvements next year.

TX.
Remind me again how long the Tesla P100D line has been available and how many mass produced cars have larger batteries?
No idea. You don't think that EV's will get heavier as better range is demanded? The car as this review is 2400kg with a not great range, how will Audi improve the range without more battery weight?

TX.
Firstly, battery technology and battery packaging improves. Leaf has gone from a 30kWh to a 40kWh at almost the same weight, then plus 150kg to the 60kWh.

But also improving efficiency of the complete package. Both Tesla and Hyundai/Kia have far, far better efficiency than what most the Germans are achieving at the moment. Audi being particularly appalling which means its good rapid charge speed is just about acceptable as a complete package for long range use.

SDK

104 posts

217 months

Thursday 4th March
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LordFlathead said:
I'm sure tesla will listen to your professional advice.. even though you don't even own one laugh
You keep on posting that fluff Tesla put out on their performance stats. Did you forget all of their info is manipulated in their favour. In the real world their published 0-60 times are rarely reproduced, where as the Audi and Porsche times are always bettered.