RE: 61 years later, an Aston Martin F1 car

[RuntyMuz]

I think it's brilliant!

I'm going to get a new car!

Although it has been faultless (literally and figuratively) in 135,000 km and 11 years ownership, I'm going to replace my v8 Vantage with something new (from somewhere else).

I have been prepared to suffer through the James Bond connotations (to me it's a major turn-off) because of the car performance, looks and proving its mettle but now this... the brand baggage is too much to bare.

Two Napoleonesque petulant man-children and Mr Beige-talent... No thanks.

[PH User]

Volvolover said:

Every day a journey said:

Chebble said:

It was clear there was something deeply wrong at Ferrari for Vettel.

Yes. There was. Vettel.

Clearly not.

Vettel did not go from regularly beating CLC to absolutely nowhere near him overnight without a little help from Ferrari.

I’m no fanboy of Seb but I do think he’s a decent chap, but we’ve all seen Ferrari over the years and I luv e no doubt Seb will be motivated and quick this season

Well let's hope for Seb that he is quicker than his team mate this year, if not hes really finished!

[Sulphur Man]

Volvolover said:

And?

He's a decent driver, if you don't think so i suggest you don't know that much about f1

2019 season - Racing Point
Finished 15th in F1 Championship with 21 points. Team mate Perez finishes 10th - 52 points
Perez outqualifies Stroll 18-3 across season

2020 season - Racing Point
Finished 11th in F1 Championship with 75 points. Team mate Perez finishes 4th - 125 points
Perez outqualifies Stroll 11-3 of the 17 F1 race starts. Perez did not compete in 2 races due to COVID-19. Stroll missed one for same reason.

'Decent'

Happy to be proved otherwise, as you suggest you're an authority on F1..

[Every day a journey]

Volvolover said:

Clearly not.

Vettel did not go from regularly beating CLC to absolutely nowhere near him overnight without a little help from Ferrari.

I’m no fanboy of Seb but I do think he’s a decent chap, but we’ve all seen Ferrari over the years and I've no doubt Seb will be motivated and quick this season

Don't get me wrong, he can be immense on track and is also quite funny off it. However, and it's a cruicial point, number one rule, without exception, at Ferrari is you NEVER critisise the team in public. Never. (Friend of mine got sacked for saying something not exactly endearing about the team to someone in a hotel bar ....turns out it was a journo who quoted him in La Gazetta Dello Sport. Whoops. Dream job gone.)

Not even when it's blatantly obvious that the team have screwed up and everyone knows it's the team that has screwed up, you don't say it in public. I don't think Seb got that email when he started.

He does also have history for throwing his toys out of the pram when things aren't going his way.

[Volvolover]

Sulphur Man said:

Volvolover said:

And?

He's a decent driver, if you don't think so i suggest you don't know that much about f1

2019 season - Racing Point
Finished 15th in F1 Championship with 21 points. Team mate Perez finishes 10th - 52 points
Perez outqualifies Stroll 18-3 across season

2020 season - Racing Point
Finished 11th in F1 Championship with 75 points. Team mate Perez finishes 4th - 125 points
Perez outqualifies Stroll 11-3 of the 17 F1 race starts. Perez did not compete in 2 races due to COVID-19. Stroll missed one for same reason.

'Decent'

Happy to be proved otherwise, as you suggest you're an authority on F1..

Perez is a great driver with much experience of the tyres, Lance is competitive against him and still learning, you don't get podiums and poles if you're no good.

If quoting a the lst two season stats from wiki is your idea of proof he's no good then yeah compared to you i am THE authority on F1

[PH User]

Volvolover said:

Sulphur Man said:

Volvolover said:

And?

He's a decent driver, if you don't think so i suggest you don't know that much about f1

2019 season - Racing Point
Finished 15th in F1 Championship with 21 points. Team mate Perez finishes 10th - 52 points
Perez outqualifies Stroll 18-3 across season

2020 season - Racing Point
Finished 11th in F1 Championship with 75 points. Team mate Perez finishes 4th - 125 points
Perez outqualifies Stroll 11-3 of the 17 F1 race starts. Perez did not compete in 2 races due to COVID-19. Stroll missed one for same reason.

'Decent'

Happy to be proved otherwise, as you suggest you're an authority on F1..

Perez is a great driver with much experience of the tyres, Lance is competitive against him and still learning, you don't get podiums and poles if you're no good.

If quoting a the lst two season stats from wiki is your idea of proof he's no good then yeah compared to you i am THE authority on F1

Perez is a decent driver, Lance is an average driver.

[Sulphur Man]

Volvolover said:

Perez is a great driver with much experience of the tyres, Lance is competitive against him and still learning, you don't get podiums and poles if you're no good.

If quoting a the lst two season stats from wiki is your idea of proof he's no good then yeah compared to you i am THE authority on F1

Ah, so good is subjective to you. Sorry, YOU. No actual evidence apart from clinging to the 'still learning' straw (4 seasons and counting)

Stroll is this generation's Ralf Schumacher. Every advantage possible yet unable to carve out success from a platter placed in front of him. He just doesn't have the toolset. Error prone, slow in the wet, pathetic in qualifying, frankly.

We'll have catch up in November, Volvolover, see how the Stroll learning is going after 5 seasons

[anonymous-user]

carinaman said:

I'm reminded of Eddie Irvine on a Jetski, was it in Australia for the start of the Season, when Jaguar were 'back'. Perhaps it's just the green, the Britishness and rebranding that's making me think of that.

I was thinking big time Deja-Vu but couldn’t quite recall from where. Thanks for filling in the blanks, you nailed it!

[Fetchez la vache]

I haven't watched F1 for years. Assuming this is an old Force India car What are the chances this car will get any podiums this year?

[Whitean3]

That front wing NEEDS to be sponsored by Gillette...

[PH User]

Fetchez la vache said:

I haven't watched F1 for years. Assuming this is an old Force India car What are the chances this car will get any podiums this year?

A fair chance

[Wammer]

Sulphur Man said:

Volvolover said:

Perez is a great driver with much experience of the tyres, Lance is competitive against him and still learning, you don't get podiums and poles if you're no good.

If quoting a the lst two season stats from wiki is your idea of proof he's no good then yeah compared to you i am THE authority on F1

Ah, so good is subjective to you. Sorry, YOU. No actual evidence apart from clinging to the 'still learning' straw (4 seasons and counting)

Stroll is this generation's Ralf Schumacher. Every advantage possible yet unable to carve out success from a platter placed in front of him. He just doesn't have the toolset. Error prone, slow in the wet, pathetic in qualifying, frankly.

We'll have catch up in November, Volvolover, see how the Stroll learning is going after 5 seasons

Sorry to jump but obviously neither of you watch F1.

You say that Stroll is slow in the wet!

You obviously didn't watch the Turkish Grand Prix where he got pole position in atrocious conditions and then went on to lead for the first half of the race on a soaking wet track. The only reason he finished ninth was due his car being damaged.

Why comment on a subject you obviously know nothing about.

I have been following F1 for over 10 years and watch every qualifying and every race. I admit i didn't agree that Lance Stroll should have made the team at the beginning of his Formula one career but since then he has improved in every area and definitely deserves to be on the grid.

[jl34]

PhantomPH said:

The Aston tie-in is a marketing exercise, so I'm guessing a chunk of that aspect of the company budget can be assigned to the F1 team. However it loses it's credibility as soon as you start asking how much of the car is made by Aston Martin and what tech filters through to the road cars... * whistle *

I'll always remember Eddie Jordan saying, "How do you make a small fortune in Formula 1 - start off with a large one". To that end, Stroll must have convinced the other investors that the marketing spend was worth it or the loss could be written off in tax relief elsewhere on the balance sheet. Who knows...

Most of the teams area big marketing exercise. williams were one of the last to do it for purely the fun without a direct product to benefit from it.
As for your comment about how much is made by Aston martin, that no different to most other constructors that simply bought existing UK f1 teams and rebranded them. Haas, Alpha tauri, Mercedes (brawn/ Honda/ BAR) and illmore engines, red bull (Jaguar/Stewart racing), renault (benetton/tyrell), Alpha romeo (sauber) racing point (midland / jordan)

[PhantomPH]

jl34 said:

PhantomPH said:

The Aston tie-in is a marketing exercise, so I'm guessing a chunk of that aspect of the company budget can be assigned to the F1 team. However it loses it's credibility as soon as you start asking how much of the car is made by Aston Martin and what tech filters through to the road cars... * whistle *

I'll always remember Eddie Jordan saying, "How do you make a small fortune in Formula 1 - start off with a large one". To that end, Stroll must have convinced the other investors that the marketing spend was worth it or the loss could be written off in tax relief elsewhere on the balance sheet. Who knows...

Most of the teams area big marketing exercise. williams were one of the last to do it for purely the fun without a direct product to benefit from it.
As for your comment about how much is made by Aston martin, that no different to most other constructors that simply bought existing UK f1 teams and rebranded them. Haas, Alpha tauri, Mercedes (brawn/ Honda/ BAR) and illmore engines, red bull (Jaguar/Stewart racing), renault (benetton/tyrell), Alpha romeo (sauber) racing point (midland / jordan)

Sorry, but are you agreeing with me or...? Because you've said the same as me, just in a different way. This thread is about Aston tho, so I directed my distaste towards them.

What bugs me is this being touted as 'Aston Martin re-entering F1' when it's not...it's just them having a bigger marketing presence this year compared to last. Aston had branding on the Red Bull last year and there was no bullst articles then and this is absolutely no different...just bigger spend and different stickers.

I'm all for supporting XYZ, but lets not dress it up as something it isn't. And it most certainly ISN'T Aston engineers rolling their sleeves up and building a new car. It's existing mechanics and staff wearing a different coloured shirt.

[jzakariya]

Volvolover said:

Sulphur Man said:

Lance Stroll is driving it. That's how much chance they've got.

And?

He's a decent driver, if you don't think so i suggest you don't know that much about f1

I guess it would depend on your definition of decent, some people do have really low standards.
By most people's reckoning though, he is a second class driver, at best.

[NickB77]

As long as the rest of the car isn't held together with what looks like sellotape (rear wing photo) lets hope for some positive results........

[Volvolover]

jzakariya said:

Volvolover said:

Sulphur Man said:

Lance Stroll is driving it. That's how much chance they've got.

And?

He's a decent driver, if you don't think so i suggest you don't know that much about f1

I guess it would depend on your definition of decent, some people do have really low standards.
By most people's reckoning though, he is a second class driver, at best.

Is he the worst driver on the grid? Nope but its always him that doesnt deserve to be there despite actually taking his chances pretty well. He's a solid midfield number two and will retire with much better results than a lot of highly rated drivers

[Volvolover]

Sulphur Man said:

Volvolover said:

Perez is a great driver with much experience of the tyres, Lance is competitive against him and still learning, you don't get podiums and poles if you're no good.

If quoting a the lst two season stats from wiki is your idea of proof he's no good then yeah compared to you i am THE authority on F1

Ah, so good is subjective to you. Sorry, YOU. No actual evidence apart from clinging to the 'still learning' straw (4 seasons and counting)

Stroll is this generation's Ralf Schumacher. Every advantage possible yet unable to carve out success from a platter placed in front of him. He just doesn't have the toolset. Error prone, slow in the wet, pathetic in qualifying, frankly.

We'll have catch up in November, Volvolover, see how the Stroll learning is going after 5 seasons

Laughable. Utterly laughable. Is it too complicated for you to follow?

Ralph again wasn't a bad driver either, clearly not tier 1 but again you dont win races and get poles being rubbish.

Nobody gets an F1 seat these days without being very good indeed.

[kambites]

Volvolover said:

Is he the worst driver on the grid? Nope but its always him that doesnt deserve to be there despite actually taking his chances pretty well. He's a solid midfield number two and will retire with much better results than a lot of highly rated drivers

Yup, he's not really world-championship material and there are better drivers who haven't managed to get into F1 because they lack his financial backing, but then that's true of half the grid.

[jzakariya]

PH User said:

Volvolover said:

Sulphur Man said:

Volvolover said:

And?

He's a decent driver, if you don't think so i suggest you don't know that much about f1

2019 season - Racing Point
Finished 15th in F1 Championship with 21 points. Team mate Perez finishes 10th - 52 points
Perez outqualifies Stroll 18-3 across season

2020 season - Racing Point
Finished 11th in F1 Championship with 75 points. Team mate Perez finishes 4th - 125 points
Perez outqualifies Stroll 11-3 of the 17 F1 race starts. Perez did not compete in 2 races due to COVID-19. Stroll missed one for same reason.

'Decent'

Happy to be proved otherwise, as you suggest you're an authority on F1..

Perez is a great driver with much experience of the tyres, Lance is competitive against him and still learning, you don't get podiums and poles if you're no good.

If quoting a the lst two season stats from wiki is your idea of proof he's no good then yeah compared to you i am THE authority on F1

Perez is a decent driver, Lance is an average driver.

That's exactly it. Without being charitable to anyone.