RE: Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo launched

[Digga]

Leithen said:

Very tempted, largely because of the tax regime.

As others have said, for both employer and employee, an EV winds back the clock to the heyday of the company car as a real perk. For the next few years at least.

[JamesyBoy1975]

AJM6 said:

I've always loved the Panamera - even the early ones!

But why would I choose one over a Taycan now?

I compared them both up close in the showroom recently and the Panamera looked ancient compared.

Taycan for me please.

it get's even more one sided in coutries with a big tax incentive for electric. Taycan 4S = £130K, vs £215,000 for the base spec Panamera in Denmark. Panamera Hybrid is closer, but it's still a £147K decision.

[SWoll]

SuperPav said:

SWoll said:

I'm sure you are willing to agree you are in the minority though? Even without the optional off road package the car comes with the naff gloss wheel arch protectors and silver exterior trim pieces that look cheap and nasty on a £100k car.

Anybody buying an estate for £80-100k will be in the minority. Same as those buying a 911 or any other Porsche...
This is no different to an Audi All-road... if you're happy with the sedan or estate, great.

If you want a tiny bit more capability because you've got speed bumps in your road, or you go fishing where you need to drive the last 200 metres on a rutted track, or you want to not worry about scraping the bottom of your car when parking in a field at a show or festival, then this just gives you that little bit of capability, without having to go full on cross-over or SUV.

P.S. the GLOSS wheel arch covers are only on the Turbo S - they're grained plastic on all the other models

So a minority of a minority then.

Agreed on added functionality, but why make it standard rather than offering all those bits in the offroad pack? Audi didn't release the AllRoad before the Avant?

Grained plastic wheel arch covers you say? Nice, all the best cars have them..

[Digga]

SWoll said:

Grained plastic wheel arch covers you say? Nice, all the best cars have them..

Each to their own and all that. I always liked the look of the Audi Allroad and also the XC version of the Volvo estate cars.

I ran two Discovery 3's - the ones with the plastic arch covers, before land Rover went all posh (downhill IMHO) and started painting them on the Disco 4. Again, for real offroad and knockabout use, they are very practical. Best way to stand a mountain bike, without danger of it falling over and putting a handlebara dent in the door after you have unloaded it from car/rack is to wedge the back wheel between the car tyre and wheelarch.

[Terminator X]

Leithen said:

Very tempted, largely because of the tax regime.

I've been out of company cars for so long that I've forgotten how it works. People used to get hammered on CCT which is why I got out back in the early 2000's as it was creeping up (negative tax code FFS). How would it work for this car? Presumably you will still need "a very good job" to get one as the monthlies will be epic?

TX.

[anonymous-user]

Not a fan of this at all - it looks like a cut 'n' shut job to me - from the A pillars forward it appears to be the front end from a different car to the rest. And the plastic cladding is truly hideous.

There's a chap in the village who's just taken delivery of the saloon, in a dowdy colour, and it really doesn't look good at all.

All IMO opinion of course.

[anonymous-user]

HeMightBeBanned said:

So much money for so little range.

The world’s gone mad.

I'd be surprised if this were anyone's only car; for me this (actually a 4s) would replace the school run/beach/football/rugby family car which has never done more than 60 miles in a day and more like 30 miles 95% of the time.

[SCO]

Terminator X said:

I've been out of company cars for so long that I've forgotten how it works. People used to get hammered on CCT which is why I got out back in the early 2000's as it was creeping up (negative tax code FFS). How would it work for this car? Presumably you will still need "a very good job" to get one as the monthlies will be epic?

TX.

If you are a business owner with discretion to take money out of the business and buy privately or buy an EV through the company then its pretty attractive to do it as a company purchase (at the moment). 1 or 2% benefit in kind compared to nearly 40% for a high emission vehicle (i.e the ones that are interesting!) claim the VAT back and not paying any income tax on the money you would need to take out.

I have bought second hand all my life and without this there is no way I would be looking at a brand new car.

It makes the Taycan make sense to me, just wish the standard car was a bit more practical, even just a fastback, because this one is fugly from the back.

[SWoll]

Digga said:

SWoll said:

Grained plastic wheel arch covers you say? Nice, all the best cars have them..

Each to their own and all that. I always liked the look of the Audi Allroad and also the XC version of the Volvo estate cars.

I ran two Discovery 3's - the ones with the plastic arch covers, before land Rover went all posh (downhill IMHO) and started painting them on the Disco 4. Again, for real offroad and knockabout use, they are very practical. Best way to stand a mountain bike, without danger of it falling over and putting a handlebara dent in the door after you have unloaded it from car/rack is to wedge the back wheel between the car tyre and wheelarch.

And for the huge number of owners planning to use their £100k Porsche EV with a 1" lift as a real offroader, knockabout, bike stand I'm sure it makes a lot of sense.

[PH User]

Should we presume that you won't be buying one of these swoll?!

[Darinz]

TheOctaneAddict said:

Shiny black arch extensions meeting the matte plastics just looks odd.

I like the idea though, surely no one will buy a normal Taycan now though.

Edited by TheOctaneAddict on Thursday 4th March 16:11

SWoll said:

Disappointing. The off road pack looks cheap as do the gloss wheel arch trims. The new wheel styles don't suit it also.

If I do jump from the Tesla at some point it would still be the saloon for me, will be interesting what Audi do with it though?

Thankfully gloss trims must be an option - grim. By default matching plastic and those frilly fins are part of the off road appearance package for some reason. Looks much better in a more default state I think:

[DonkeyApple]

How's the product actually going to work? It's a good looking wagon. Ideal for the selfish commute and family touring etc but it's a Porsche. If you want to do all your driving below the speed limit, metering out every mile then you'd buy whatever the modern equivalent of a Rover 75 is.

This wagon is a Porsche. It exists to be the antithisis of grandpa's hypermiling pension pot tapper. It has a suggested corporate range of around 250 miles, which in reality is likely to be less in the real world but what's the range actually going to be when used as a Porsche and not a 520D?

In reality, you could be looking at something with a true PH user range of 150 or less. That means hanging out with truckers, fat birds tabbing and rat boys playing arcade games an awful lot. Surely if you want to hang out at motorway services or spend your life hypermiling there are more cost effective products more orientated for that lifestyle?

It's a cracking looking barnstormer of a wagon but you couldn't actually use it as such. It seems more like a massive shopping car dressed up as a barnstormer and able to do a bit of storming occasionally.

[Darinz]

IMI A said:

So this new Taycan would maybe replace someones current dd?

For fun a GL 63 cost new with fully loaded spec £113k.

Servicing costs at MB over 7 years £3500

Faults zero but extended warranty £1000 per year since 2017 so £4000

48,000 miles covered at circa 15mpg

Insurance £800 per year

Bought new in 2014.

Can someone explain to me how this Taycan's REAL carbon footprint is less than say our GL63? I bet if we do the numbers including the cost of building factory to make Taycan. Disposal of batteries at end of life that the Taycan has the bigger carbon foot print. Also these cars will be bought on PCP, lease hire and thrown away after 2-3 years by owners.

You can buy a GL63 with 35,000 miles for £35k. How much is the Taycan?

World upside down when you can make a case for a 600bhp bi turbo AMG SUV having a smaller carbon footprint than the Taycan. I rest my case milord. I do love the new electric cars especially new Audi. Simply can't get my head round the the value proposition. Perhaps when battery consistency and range improves who knows I'll swap. For now a nascar engine in a SUV fine

The starting point would be 48,000mi at 15MPG. That is 33,500KG CO2 from the petrol alone.

Assuming the Taycan gets poor electric economy of 2.5 mi per kwh, overnight charging of about 200g/kwh the Taycan would emit 3,840KG CO2.

Wildly different on a below average mileage. Obviously the Taycan will involve more CO2 at manufacture but saving nearly 30,000KG of CO2 off the bat on consumption alone is a good starting point.

[SWoll]

PH User said:

Should we presume that you won't be buying one of these swoll?!

Very close to sorting one out via our work salary sacrifice scheme and have been holding off in anticipation of the SportTurismo model launching. Now left in limbo as really don't like the way they've messed with the looks as mentioned but as I'll be commiting for 3 years don't want to order the saloon and get caught out by the proper ST launching before it turns up..

Tried speccing one in black to hide the plastic bits but still not happy about the silver additions as look crap to my eyes (nowhere near as bad as on lighter colours though).

[Digga]

SWoll said:

Tried speccing one in black to hide the plastic bits but still not happy about the silver additions as look crap to my eyes (nowhere near as bad as on lighter colours though).

Try harder.

You can have them as all black rather than black and silver as a no cost option.

[SWoll]

Digga said:

SWoll said:

Tried speccing one in black to hide the plastic bits but still not happy about the silver additions as look crap to my eyes (nowhere near as bad as on lighter colours though).

Try harder.

You can have them as all black rather than black and silver as a no cost option.

Another option hidden away amongst the many 100's then? I'll have another look now.

ETA - Well spotted that man. £245 but worth every penny.

Edited by SWoll on Friday 5th March 13:56

[anonymous-user]

DonkeyApple said:

How's the product actually going to work? It's a good looking wagon. Ideal for the selfish commute and family touring etc but it's a Porsche. If you want to do all your driving below the speed limit, metering out every mile then you'd buy whatever the modern equivalent of a Rover 75 is.

This wagon is a Porsche. It exists to be the antithisis of grandpa's hypermiling pension pot tapper. It has a suggested corporate range of around 250 miles, which in reality is likely to be less in the real world but what's the range actually going to be when used as a Porsche and not a 520D?

In reality, you could be looking at something with a true PH user range of 150 or less. ...

I'd be surprised if you could get one to only do 150 anywhere before the tires peeled off it! The official numbers are a total nonsense. Driving sensibly smashes the advertised range.

https://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/32868/how-i-got-...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a32207936/i-...

(note Matt Farah "I did not try at all to maximize the vehicle’s range, ")

[anonymous-user]

SWoll said:

I think that looks absolutely great and, like so many cars these days, suspect it will work even better in the flesh. Not sure what the issue with the arches is, I'd have thought they are easily wrapped to match the paint if they annoy you so much. TurboCT in black for me. Will probably have to persuade the wife to take the 4S first!

[SWoll]

I've got an aversion to chrome/silver trim on black cars.



And yes, I like the hearse look.

[Digga]

DonkeyApple said:

How's the product actually going to work? It's a good looking wagon. Ideal for the selfish commute and family touring etc but it's a Porsche. If you want to do all your driving below the speed limit, metering out every mile then you'd buy whatever the modern equivalent of a Rover 75 is.

This wagon is a Porsche. It exists to be the antithisis of grandpa's hypermiling pension pot tapper. It has a suggested corporate range of around 250 miles, which in reality is likely to be less in the real world but what's the range actually going to be when used as a Porsche and not a 520D?

In reality, you could be looking at something with a true PH user range of 150 or less. That means hanging out with truckers, fat birds tabbing and rat boys playing arcade games an awful lot. Surely if you want to hang out at motorway services or spend your life hypermiling there are more cost effective products more orientated for that lifestyle?

It's a cracking looking barnstormer of a wagon but you couldn't actually use it as such. It seems more like a massive shopping car dressed up as a barnstormer and able to do a bit of storming occasionally.

My current vehicle has not even done 20k miles in 3 years. That includes longer haul business trips, mountain biking trips to Wales, at least one holiday in Lakes a year and even one up to Fort William to watch the mtb downhill World Cup. Most weeks I barely go anywhere and am stuck in the office which is such a short commute the engine barely warms up, let alone the car. Borrowing the wife's I-Pace is luxury, because it can be de-frosted and warmed-up prior to even leaving the house.

My idea of a 'successful' weekend is where said daily never turns a wheel and I can instead spend my time on a mountain bike or, better yet, thrashing the 911 on a track.

Electric really would 'work' for me. For the odd, longer trips, I just have to plan the route. Or rather let the car plan the route. Of all the EV's the fast charging on the Porsche 800V system seems to be the best future proof.

As I see it EV is the new diesel. Forget the whys and wherefores and just accept, logical or not, it "is".