What happened to genuinely posh cars and their targets?
Discussion
RMDB9 said:
Deep Thought said:
RMDB9 said:
Why is everybody so fixated on self-made new money hard-working tycoon types?
What about the intellectual elite, 2nd sons of landed gentry, ambassadors? None of them fall into the superyacht/white Phantom/AP Royal Oak Offshote/Gold-plated filet steak in Dubai bracket.
Because that line still seems to be being drawn - you're either "posh" and have money (but obvs whisper about it) or you're new money just showing off when the reality these days is not like that.What about the intellectual elite, 2nd sons of landed gentry, ambassadors? None of them fall into the superyacht/white Phantom/AP Royal Oak Offshote/Gold-plated filet steak in Dubai bracket.
And because the self made hard-working tycoon types are far more prevalent / influential than some 7th Earl of Fuddsbury or wherever whos clinging on to the past.
And what makes them intellectually elite? And what makes them ambassadors?
The ambassador...not "wealthy", Foreign service pays peanuts compared to what the Rolex/'rari people make. He had to go through some quite elaborate education (=middle class), role has high status (compared to IT contractors, bitcoin traders or the like), will likely require him to socialize with interesting people (high social capital). But able to buy a Lambo? Do ambassador types generally want a Lambo?
Literary figures, but not Clarkson. Men of letters. Oxford dons. You get the idea. Successful in their field, but have "proof of success" via their publications/appointments/awards, dont need the "Tron" Lambo cruising around Harrods with "revs".
2nd son of landed gentry, related by birth and marriage to similar people, minor dignitaries who hold roles in local government, military or church. Education, manners, illiquid assets.
Probably any of them who did dont now for the reasons previously suggested - no need now when mid range cars are so good, times have changed, etc.
RMDB9 said:
Listen, first of all I dont want to link my precious time to your cute trolling attempts. Contribute something to the debate!
A few of these on here, the type that have to contradict everything and would cause an argument in an empty room and bore us all with their pseudo intellectual crap, worst of all being sergeant smug of the sweeping generalisation police who only pipes up to contradict. Just before first lockdown last year I was doing the twice weekly shop at Waitrose (took the Aston rather than the Volvo) and on returning to the car I had a rather nice chat with a chap who was just getting in to his Bentley with his young son. Not that I was on the lookout but I didn't see one posh person whilst one was there....
Apologies if my post isn't quite on topic...
Apologies if my post isn't quite on topic...
sasha320 said:
This is also what the cash poor landed gentry say to cover up for the fact that their grandfather was a swashbuckling entrepreneurial business tycoon who created millions and all they’ve achieved with all their privilege and jump start in life is 4uck all.
I'm not sure which I find most amusing - the way that the aristocracy created this idea of the merit of inheriting wealth over earning it in order to continue to lord it over the "new money" who had more of it than them - or the forelock tugging here by some modern peasantry who buy into this nonsense.
otolith said:
sasha320 said:
This is also what the cash poor landed gentry say to cover up for the fact that their grandfather was a swashbuckling entrepreneurial business tycoon who created millions and all they’ve achieved with all their privilege and jump start in life is 4uck all.
I'm not sure which I find most amusing - the way that the aristocracy created this idea of the merit of inheriting wealth over earning it in order to continue to lord it over the "new money" who had more of it than them - or the forelock tugging here by some modern peasantry who buy into this nonsense.
otolith said:
sasha320 said:
This is also what the cash poor landed gentry say to cover up for the fact that their grandfather was a swashbuckling entrepreneurial business tycoon who created millions and all they’ve achieved with all their privilege and jump start in life is 4uck all.
I'm not sure which I find most amusing - the way that the aristocracy created this idea of the merit of inheriting wealth over earning it in order to continue to lord it over the "new money" who had more of it than them - or the forelock tugging here by some modern peasantry who buy into this nonsense.
Deep Thought said:
otolith said:
sasha320 said:
This is also what the cash poor landed gentry say to cover up for the fact that their grandfather was a swashbuckling entrepreneurial business tycoon who created millions and all they’ve achieved with all their privilege and jump start in life is 4uck all.
I'm not sure which I find most amusing - the way that the aristocracy created this idea of the merit of inheriting wealth over earning it in order to continue to lord it over the "new money" who had more of it than them - or the forelock tugging here by some modern peasantry who buy into this nonsense.
This ingrained deference to inherited wealth is laughable. My American wife is bemused by it - (but they do it too, Rockefellers, Kennedys etc.)
My family is originally from a country where the aristocracy used caste to make slaves of the vast majority of the population, for centuries. I am myself of one of those landowning families, actually. As the power of agriculture gave way to industry, these families either reinvented themselves (Duke of Devonshire), or died (minor aristocracy in houses that are no longer supported by estates, giving it away to the National Trust). And yet the latter are somehow revered by our forelock tugging, trained to be subservient society as smarter than the person who made a billion for themselves in their own lifetime. It is laughable.
I think that class/caste is up there with religion as one of the greatest coercive social controls ever perpetuated by people on other people. Constructs designed to funnel money from the many to the few, and keep those few producing that wealth for the elite, in perpetuity. And as feudalism waned, to preserve the social status of an undeserving elite.
And these "wealth whispers" idiots are just buying into this rubbish even more. It is such a part of the middle class British tradition - to revere old money, and aid that old money in brooking no competition from upstart merchants.
Some people actually deserve to be serfs, it seems.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 8th April 15:36
Harry Flashman said:
This, absolutely.
This ingrained deference to inherited wealth is laughable. My American wife is bemused by it - (but they do it too, Rockefellers, Kennedys etc.)
My family is originally from a country where the aristocracy used caste to make slaves of the vast majority of the population, for centuries. I am myself of one of those landowning families, actually. As the power of agriculture gave way to industry, these families either reinvented themselves (Duke of Devonshire), or died (minor aristocracy in houses that are no longer supported by estates, giving it away to the National Trust). And yet the latter are somehow revered by our forelock tugging, trained to be subservient society as smarter than the person who made a billion for themselves in their own lifetime. It is laughable.
I think that class/caste is up there with religion as one of the greatest coercive social controls ever perpetuated by people on other people. Constructs designed to funnel money from the many to the few, and keep those few producing that wealth for the elite, in perpetuity. And as feudalism waned, to preserve the social status of an undeserving elite.
And these "wealth whispers" idiots are just buying into this rubbish even more. It is such a part of the middle class British tradition - to revere old money, and aid that old money in brooking no competition from upstart merchants.
Some people actually deserve to be serfs, it seems.
This is a great take. And one reason I really enjoy living in America now.This ingrained deference to inherited wealth is laughable. My American wife is bemused by it - (but they do it too, Rockefellers, Kennedys etc.)
My family is originally from a country where the aristocracy used caste to make slaves of the vast majority of the population, for centuries. I am myself of one of those landowning families, actually. As the power of agriculture gave way to industry, these families either reinvented themselves (Duke of Devonshire), or died (minor aristocracy in houses that are no longer supported by estates, giving it away to the National Trust). And yet the latter are somehow revered by our forelock tugging, trained to be subservient society as smarter than the person who made a billion for themselves in their own lifetime. It is laughable.
I think that class/caste is up there with religion as one of the greatest coercive social controls ever perpetuated by people on other people. Constructs designed to funnel money from the many to the few, and keep those few producing that wealth for the elite, in perpetuity. And as feudalism waned, to preserve the social status of an undeserving elite.
And these "wealth whispers" idiots are just buying into this rubbish even more. It is such a part of the middle class British tradition - to revere old money, and aid that old money in brooking no competition from upstart merchants.
Some people actually deserve to be serfs, it seems.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 8th April 15:36
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