Opinions on loud exhausts

Opinions on loud exhausts

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PH User

22,154 posts

107 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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Shall we move on from all the name calling?

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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Jaguar steve said:
AW111 said:
One thing this thread PH highlights is how selfish some people are.

"I don't care how many people I annoy" is the subtext of a lot of posts.
FTFY. smile

PH is a portal into the mindset of those with enthusiasm for or involvement with cars that goes beyond white goods functionality.

The best strategy is to not demean oneself by lengthy engagements with the more notably selfish and entitled proponents and move on.
Does our own enjoyment of cars mean that we shouldn't care about foisting our bellendery onto others? I don't think the two are mutually exclusive - it's quite possible to enjoy cars and driving but not to be a dick about it.

Leon R

3,182 posts

95 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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Countdown said:
Does our own enjoyment of cars mean that we shouldn't care about foisting our bellendery onto others? I don't think the two are mutually exclusive - it's quite possible to enjoy cars and driving but not to be a dick about it.
How do you enjoy cars while not partaking in anything that might irritate someone else.

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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bigothunter said:
otolith said:
bigothunter said:
Why is this thread focussed purely on exterior noise when only interior sound quality matters to the driver? scratchchin
Because exterior noise is what other people moan about, and unless you reroute the exhaust into the cabin it's the route by which it becomes internal noise?

And of course, if you have a convertible you are outside.
Exhaust noise is both air and structure borne. Usually it is not the dominant noise in the interior.

Again I will suggest the reasons most people fit excessively loud exhausts is to show off or annoy others. All seems rather silly to me silly
Are you suggesting that a person cannot change what they hear inside the car by changing the exhaust, and that therefore that is never the motivation for changing the exhaust?

bigothunter

11,069 posts

59 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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otolith said:
bigothunter said:
otolith said:
bigothunter said:
Why is this thread focussed purely on exterior noise when only interior sound quality matters to the driver? scratchchin
Because exterior noise is what other people moan about, and unless you reroute the exhaust into the cabin it's the route by which it becomes internal noise?

And of course, if you have a convertible you are outside.
Exhaust noise is both air and structure borne. Usually it is not the dominant noise in the interior.

Again I will suggest the reasons most people fit excessively loud exhausts is to show off or annoy others. All seems rather silly to me silly
Are you suggesting that a person cannot change what they hear inside the car by changing the exhaust, and that therefore that is never the motivation for changing the exhaust?
No


AC43

11,435 posts

207 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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clarkey said:
Some of my old cars were really loud - 964RS was amazing, Ducati 999R too. I use to have a KTM which my wife thought was a helicopter from a couple of miles away, that was probably a bit too loud.
I love the sound of all three of those. I've no idea how Harley make twins sound so st and Ducati make them sound utterly fabulous. Moto Guzzi the same. And there's big Suzuki twin which sounds musical too - can't recall what it's called.

ddom

6,657 posts

47 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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Countdown said:
Jaguar steve said:
AW111 said:
One thing this thread PH highlights is how selfish some people are.

"I don't care how many people I annoy" is the subtext of a lot of posts.
FTFY. smile

PH is a portal into the mindset of those with enthusiasm for or involvement with cars that goes beyond white goods functionality.

The best strategy is to not demean oneself by lengthy engagements with the more notably selfish and entitled proponents and move on.
Does our own enjoyment of cars mean that we shouldn't care about foisting our bellendery onto others? I don't think the two are mutually exclusive - it's quite possible to enjoy cars and driving but not to be a dick about it.
More obviously It shouldn't be a negative to have a 'mindset with enthusiasm for or involvement with cars that goes beyond white goods functionality' and if you were to regard cars as mundane pieces of transport it would be deeply strange to continue posting on a forum largely based around the enjoyment of cars and driving, whilst trying to draw responses by being contrary. But that's how it is.

cuprabob

14,416 posts

213 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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AC43 said:
And there's big Suzuki twin which sounds musical too - can't recall what it's called.
TL1000R?

161BMW

1,697 posts

164 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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If is 325i Sport (E30) with a Scorpion full sports exhaust system with STW tips for the closest to factory look then it sounds AWESOME 10/10.

If you got a new car on finance or a Nova or anything else with an after market exhaust obviously it sounds crap.

Edited by 161BMW on Thursday 8th April 11:19

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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bigothunter said:
otolith said:
bigothunter said:
otolith said:
bigothunter said:
Why is this thread focussed purely on exterior noise when only interior sound quality matters to the driver? scratchchin
Because exterior noise is what other people moan about, and unless you reroute the exhaust into the cabin it's the route by which it becomes internal noise?

And of course, if you have a convertible you are outside.
Exhaust noise is both air and structure borne. Usually it is not the dominant noise in the interior.

Again I will suggest the reasons most people fit excessively loud exhausts is to show off or annoy others. All seems rather silly to me silly
Are you suggesting that a person cannot change what they hear inside the car by changing the exhaust, and that therefore that is never the motivation for changing the exhaust?
No
OK. So there's a lot of wiggle room for you in "most people" and "excessively loud", but given that you accept that a person might change the exhaust to change what they hear in the car, what's the basis of your assertion about the motivations of "most people"?

PH User

22,154 posts

107 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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ddom said:
More obviously It shouldn't be a negative to have a 'mindset with enthusiasm for or involvement with cars that goes beyond white goods functionality' and if you were to regard cars as mundane pieces of transport it would be deeply strange to continue posting on a forum largely based around the enjoyment of cars and driving, whilst trying to draw responses by being contrary. But that's how it is.
It would be odd to be here if you did just view cars as white goods, as like you say, this is a website for car enthusiasts?

bigothunter

11,069 posts

59 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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otolith said:
bigothunter said:
otolith said:
bigothunter said:
otolith said:
bigothunter said:
Why is this thread focussed purely on exterior noise when only interior sound quality matters to the driver? scratchchin
Because exterior noise is what other people moan about, and unless you reroute the exhaust into the cabin it's the route by which it becomes internal noise?

And of course, if you have a convertible you are outside.
Exhaust noise is both air and structure borne. Usually it is not the dominant noise in the interior.

Again I will suggest the reasons most people fit excessively loud exhausts is to show off or annoy others. All seems rather silly to me silly
Are you suggesting that a person cannot change what they hear inside the car by changing the exhaust, and that therefore that is never the motivation for changing the exhaust?
No
OK. So there's a lot of wiggle room for you in "most people" and "excessively loud", but given that you accept that a person might change the exhaust to change what they hear in the car, what's the basis of your assertion about the motivations of "most people"?
Perception because I don't have access to statistical data. Do you? scratchchin

otolith

55,899 posts

203 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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bigothunter said:
Perception because I don't have access to statistical data. Do you? scratchchin
I don't, hence why I'm not making assertions about what it is.

njw1

2,053 posts

110 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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'Pistonheads; Speed matters moaning, self righteous grumpy old gits matter'

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Car 54 where are you

73 posts

61 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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I'm a Senior Citizen with one of the last pre-Competion M2s (The M2C sounds horrible).
I drive it all the time with the valves wide open.
Compliments are endless....

cerb4.5lee

30,186 posts

179 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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Car 54 where are you said:
I'm a Senior Citizen with one of the last pre-Competion M2s (The M2C sounds horrible).
I drive it all the time with the valves wide open.
Compliments are endless....
I've always thought the OG M2 sounds nice and fruity whenever I've heard them as well. A chap had one at my daughters school and I always enjoyed listening to it as he drove past me. thumbup

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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Leon R said:
Countdown said:
Does our own enjoyment of cars mean that we shouldn't care about foisting our bellendery onto others? I don't think the two are mutually exclusive - it's quite possible to enjoy cars and driving but not to be a dick about it.
How do you enjoy cars while not partaking in anything that might irritate someone else.
By trying to make sure my driving doesn't p155 anybody else off. e.g. Not tailgating people, driving aggressively, cutting people up, not having a stupidly noisy car.

What do you do that irritates other people?

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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ddom said:
More obviously It shouldn't be a negative to have a 'mindset with enthusiasm for or involvement with cars that goes beyond white goods functionality' and if you were to regard cars as mundane pieces of transport it would be deeply strange to continue posting on a forum largely based around the enjoyment of cars and driving, whilst trying to draw responses by being contrary. But that's how it is.
And again, the enjoyment of cars and driving are not synonymous with annoying other people. As a general rule of life I try not to annoy other people and will try to change my own behaviour to avoid doing so unless it's something fundamentally important. I call it "not being a dick just for the sake of it". I don't subscribe to the mentality of "I'm all right jack and everybody else can screw themselves" because if we ALL take a selfish approach then everybody's quality of life goes down.


culpz

4,881 posts

111 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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Car 54 where are you said:
I'm a Senior Citizen with one of the last pre-Competion M2s (The M2C sounds horrible).
I drive it all the time with the valves wide open.
Compliments are endless....
Good on ya sir!

My old man has a pre-GPF M240i with the standard exhaust, which has been modified. He doesn't actually drive it that much but, when he does, he always puts it in traction mode, which permanently opens up the valves and you get to hear the full extent of that lovely 6-cylinder howl.

Jonny TVR

4,533 posts

280 months

Thursday 8th April 2021
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A huge part of driving a car for fun is the noise. Getting a balance between the engine and exhaust noise is important.

My old Maserati Granturismo wasn't that quick and was compromised in other ways but I loved it mainly because of the exhaust noise. You could hear it from miles away but it was a fantastic noise. My e-type makes a loud rasp from its exhaust at high revs which I really like, at lower revs it fairly quiet which is suits the car.