RE: EV conversions for Morgan and Triumph
Discussion
reeventu said:
The whole idea is quite frankly rubbish, if you want an old/classic buy one ,accept breakdowns , skinned knuckles whatever,
To plonk as someone rightly said an electric motor in an old car is crazy.
Consider handling , brakes , electrics, corrosion etc ,all need updating or revising or repairing. you then end up with an old shape with modern probably unsuitable power system , giving limited performance , limited range at a vast expense. the vehicle will be worth nothing in a very short time. Enthusiasts wont want it , those that first bought it will realise the mistake and those with enough money will buy a new conversion .
I cannot even understand how it could be road legal surely it would need proper examination to show it complied with all safety requirements for electric vehicles . I suspect the fire service would be very unhappy with this concept
If you want an EV buy a properly made model
If you want a classic buy a proper original car
If someone has the money and wants a classic car styling but a modern Electric motor in it, why not?To plonk as someone rightly said an electric motor in an old car is crazy.
Consider handling , brakes , electrics, corrosion etc ,all need updating or revising or repairing. you then end up with an old shape with modern probably unsuitable power system , giving limited performance , limited range at a vast expense. the vehicle will be worth nothing in a very short time. Enthusiasts wont want it , those that first bought it will realise the mistake and those with enough money will buy a new conversion .
I cannot even understand how it could be road legal surely it would need proper examination to show it complied with all safety requirements for electric vehicles . I suspect the fire service would be very unhappy with this concept
If you want an EV buy a properly made model
If you want a classic buy a proper original car
Surely if this keeps a few more classics on the road and the buyer is happy what's the issue?
There is no environmental or functional case for doing this sort of thing. These cars do sod all mileage anyway, so the environmental benefits are less than zero. As far as originality goes, its like gutting an old Rolex and stuffing a Casio digital watch in the case. Yes, it will be more accurate and reliable. But that isn't really the point.
rxe said:
There is no environmental or functional case for doing this sort of thing. These cars do sod all mileage anyway, so the environmental benefits are less than zero. As far as originality goes, its like gutting an old Rolex and stuffing a Casio digital watch in the case. Yes, it will be more accurate and reliable. But that isn't really the point.
I agree on the environmental aspect, but functional case, the case is that it will actually work and be reliable if done well, so they might get used more.rxe said:
There is no environmental or functional case for doing this sort of thing. These cars do sod all mileage anyway, so the environmental benefits are less than zero. As far as originality goes, its like gutting an old Rolex and stuffing a Casio digital watch in the case. Yes, it will be more accurate and reliable. But that isn't really the point.
it would make the rolex more desirable to me I would do this to my classic if the price was right.
As it stands if you did a conversion like this you would take a double hit a present prices. Retrofits cost
more than the car is worth for starters. Second, you've devalued the
car in most people's eyes so if you did decide to sell it on, you lose again.
Not the most financially sound decision to be sure.
As it stands if you did a conversion like this you would take a double hit a present prices. Retrofits cost
more than the car is worth for starters. Second, you've devalued the
car in most people's eyes so if you did decide to sell it on, you lose again.
Not the most financially sound decision to be sure.
PH said:
...a car that might be more widely liked because it only traded a four-cylinder for the battery-powered layout...
Curious thing to say: by that logic, you'd be happy swapping out an E30 M3 or an S2000 VTEC but not an emissions-strangled, 150bhp 8.2l V8 from a Cadillac Eldorado?Equus said:
Speaking of Citroens, surely the 2CV is the obvious choice for this treatment - the ultimate car for yoghurt-weaving hippies, and the original is so underpowered (and light) that all you'd need would be a cheap permanent magnet pancake motor?
It's been done, and I reckon it would be a brilliant thing to drive:https://2cev.co.uk/
Triumph Man said:
Re the DS, however, I think they would work quite well converted to Electric power - it would suit the car. The ICE was just something that propelled the car, rather than part of the character.
Here we go then, just for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYpWHMBswUs
chrispmartha said:
Love the idea of electrifying some classics...
As a former Citroen DS owner an Electric powered DS Pallas would be a thing of beauty, the Engines in the DS was the only rubbish thing about them, wafting about in an Electric DS would be amazing
When the electric thing started, classics with no particular soundbyte came to mind. The DS is the perfect example to electrify. It's big and slow and beautiful.As a former Citroen DS owner an Electric powered DS Pallas would be a thing of beauty, the Engines in the DS was the only rubbish thing about them, wafting about in an Electric DS would be amazing
The only exception I can think of is an electric Caterfield of some kind.
Limpet said:
Equus said:
Speaking of Citroens, surely the 2CV is the obvious choice for this treatment - the ultimate car for yoghurt-weaving hippies, and the original is so underpowered (and light) that all you'd need would be a cheap permanent magnet pancake motor?
It's been done, and I reckon it would be a brilliant thing to drive:https://2cev.co.uk/
The idea of this doesn't appeal to me at all. I'm not against electric power for econobox daily drivers and what have you but I'm really hoping there will still be a place for old petrol engined classic cars for recreation.
I guess we'll have to see whether taxation is introduced to make petrol cars prohibitively expensive or if they are banned outright, but either way I can't see that happening for many years yet so these conversions seem to be jumping the gun somewhat in that regard.
As for the point about older ICE vehicles not being allowed in city centers, I'm not sure who would want to regularly run and drive a classic car like this in a city center anyway. Okay for posing I guess but it's not exactly a fun driving experience.
I guess we'll have to see whether taxation is introduced to make petrol cars prohibitively expensive or if they are banned outright, but either way I can't see that happening for many years yet so these conversions seem to be jumping the gun somewhat in that regard.
As for the point about older ICE vehicles not being allowed in city centers, I'm not sure who would want to regularly run and drive a classic car like this in a city center anyway. Okay for posing I guess but it's not exactly a fun driving experience.
I can see the other problem 2030 onwards is where are you going to get your petrol? As soon as the masses move to electric vehicles do you think the supermarkets and oil companies are going to keep their forecourts full of petrol pumps? Surely they’re all going to start switching to chargers and a cafe where you can sit for 20 mins? That’s what will kill classic cars........
matlotus said:
I can see the other problem 2030 onwards is where are you going to get your petrol? As soon as the masses move to electric vehicles do you think the supermarkets and oil companies are going to keep their forecourts full of petrol pumps? Surely they’re all going to start switching to chargers and a cafe where you can sit for 20 mins? That’s what will kill classic cars........
I'm sure petrol will still be available for at least half a century; just as leaded petrol (or at least LRP) is still available now if you look for it. Sure there wont be very many stations around because ICE will quickly become just a hobby, but it will be a popular enough hobby that you'll be able to get hold of the stuff. I don't think there will be a time in my lifetime when I can't buy petrol within 20 miles of where I live. Edited by kambites on Wednesday 14th April 19:19
swisstoni said:
There’ll probably be the odd petrol pump still around but petrol users may have to do something similar to people who heat their houses with oil; get it delivered.
That's certainly another possibility. Either way, it will still be available for classic car enthusiasts. kambites said:
I'm sure petrol will still be available for at least half a decade; just as leaded petrol (or at least LRP) is still available now if you look for it. Sure there wont be very many stations around because ICE will quickly become just a hobby, but it will be a popular enough hobby that you'll be able to get hold of the stuff. I don't think there will be a time in my lifetime when I can't buy petrol within 20 miles of where I live.
You really think that petrol will only be available up to 2035!!!I expect there to be millions of petrol cars on the roads in 2040 & beyond. Also motorbikes are not affected by 2030 ban on petrol cars.
chrispmartha said:
If someone has the money and wants a classic car styling but a modern Electric motor in it, why not?
Surely if this keeps a few more classics on the road and the buyer is happy what's the issue?
There is no issue , its just pointless and possibly dangerous . what qualifies someone to rip out bits that were designed ( however badly ) and replace with some off the shelf alternative motive drive. As for environmental issues you install unfriendly batteries into vehicles that will be used very sparingly. The cost of disposal of the old components plus the manufacture of he new etc , etc. I suggest that compared with the little fuel used by these older vehicles it would not make sense.IMOSurely if this keeps a few more classics on the road and the buyer is happy what's the issue?
Again what about safety , airbags , crash protection , passenger protection etc. Are these matters addressed in the fitting of some Chinese electric motor and battery. Perhaps the idea of an EV overides all these considerations.
car. As an aside I have an EV , PHEV , a 60,s classic and a 1920.s vintage all have their place but not if mangled together
reeventu said:
chrispmartha said:
If someone has the money and wants a classic car styling but a modern Electric motor in it, why not?
Surely if this keeps a few more classics on the road and the buyer is happy what's the issue?
There is no issue , its just pointless and possibly dangerous . what qualifies someone to rip out bits that were designed ( however badly ) and replace with some off the shelf alternative motive drive. As for environmental issues you install unfriendly batteries into vehicles that will be used very sparingly. The cost of disposal of the old components plus the manufacture of he new etc , etc. I suggest that compared with the little fuel used by these older vehicles it would not make sense.IMOSurely if this keeps a few more classics on the road and the buyer is happy what's the issue?
Again what about safety , airbags , crash protection , passenger protection etc. Are these matters addressed in the fitting of some Chinese electric motor and battery. Perhaps the idea of an EV overides all these considerations.
car. As an aside I have an EV , PHEV , a 60,s classic and a 1920.s vintage all have their place but not if mangled together
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