RE: Mercedes EQS revealed with 478-mile range
Discussion
had ham said:
You articulate your points very well, but it's obvious you don't work in the automotive industry, and that you're not familiar with what the traditional OEMs or the new start ups are doing. I'm going to guess that you're an engineer Tesla fanboi who's best friend is Google?
As an Auto consultant, I've been in and out of Fremont since it was the old Toyota/GM facility, and I wouldn't touch anything that Tesla produce there, the production standards are truly shocking.
If it was my money. I'd be betting on those pesky Koreans in Kia/Hyundai.
Whereas you sound like a bitter old industry person clutching at pearls muttering "but will no one think of the panel gaps"....As an Auto consultant, I've been in and out of Fremont since it was the old Toyota/GM facility, and I wouldn't touch anything that Tesla produce there, the production standards are truly shocking.
If it was my money. I'd be betting on those pesky Koreans in Kia/Hyundai.
The first generation of "Tesla killers" have come and had precisely zero impact on Tesla sales which have expanded at that 40-50% compound annual growth rate over the last 2-3 years.
The "terrible build quality" is also not something that I've noticed on my car nor has it had any impact on sales.
Your post is also short on any details, which OEM has plans to build more EVs in the next 5-10 years than Tesla?
You do realise that Tesla will pass Kia's revenue runrate this calendar year and Hyundai's next year. So to compete on EV volume they will need to switch instantly and painlessly to a 100% EV fleet and start growing at a rapid rate.
Talksteer said:
The "terrible build quality" is also not something that I've noticed on my car nor has it had any impact on sales.
I think that tells me all I need to know. Tesla fanbois are quite something. Why do you all feel the need to be so vociferous about your choices? Self affirmation is quite something for you folk isn't it?I have 6 six cars now, including a BEV. The chap who owns the shop in the village has his new Tesla, paid £90k+ for it, and he hates it. It's now 6 or so months old but feels like it could be 3 years or more based on the creaks and squeaks. I drove it, it was dreadful. Chap next door has a Taycan, hateful thing, but way, way beyond the Tesla in quality and driving enjoyment.
Please grow up.
had ham said:
Talksteer said:
The "terrible build quality" is also not something that I've noticed on my car nor has it had any impact on sales.
I think that tells me all I need to know. Tesla fanbois are quite something. Why do you all feel the need to be so vociferous about your choices? Self affirmation is quite something for you folk isn't it?I have 6 six cars now, including a BEV. The chap who owns the shop in the village has his new Tesla, paid £90k+ for it, and he hates it. It's now 6 or so months old but feels like it could be 3 years or more based on the creaks and squeaks. I drove it, it was dreadful. Chap next door has a Taycan, hateful thing, but way, way beyond the Tesla in quality and driving enjoyment.
Please grow up.
I agree with you about Tesla. The build quality is a long way off competitors. However we are a small market relatively and some other countries just don’t see what we see.
The Teslas I’ve been in are very similar in feel to “premium” US brands, think Lincoln Navigator, Escalade etc. Over here, we laugh at those really cheap plastics but in other climes, they sell plenty of cars so maybe it’s not that important to them.
the internet said:
No it doesn't.
It looks like a big Civic.
Well put. It looks like a big Civic. Classic cars for me here on in. Even when they make petrol 500£ a tank, I’ll still have to a couple of the good old ones from the good old days. Pretty off topic, but I drove a GR Yaris yesterday, and it was like a brand new smaller version of the Prodrive Imprezas, well the 330S in particular as those are also usually white and a hatchback. So if at least Toyota are releasing new petrol non-hybrid cars, this means the day when almost nobody is driving petrol cars has been kicked down the road a few yards. Hydrogen please for the future, carmakers and lawmakers. It looks like a big Civic.
PH_77 said:
I was thinking more about the general wedge design look which always struck me as being a bit fugly from the day the C5 came out. This is just my opinion however. I don't expect everybody to share it. And I didn't mean to specifically offend you. Sorry. I haven't driven a 488 so perhaps my opinion is less valuable now.
Well put. The 488 but was only there to show that I really, really like cars and have driven all sorts of them. The C5 A6, is, in my opinion, a car which has aged really well. Ha e a good weekend :-)martin12345 said:
Now the german "big boys" are getting serious, I am fascinated to see how badly Tesla is hit or if the "cult" of Tesla ownership tides them over
Personally if I owned any Tesla shares (which I don't) I would take my (substantial) profits and run, coz I think they will be "going down"
Tesla has not made substantial profits. It’s made a huge investments and consistent losses throughout most of its history. It has only in recent times become consistently profitable.Personally if I owned any Tesla shares (which I don't) I would take my (substantial) profits and run, coz I think they will be "going down"
stuart100 said:
martin12345 said:
Now the german "big boys" are getting serious, I am fascinated to see how badly Tesla is hit or if the "cult" of Tesla ownership tides them over
Personally if I owned any Tesla shares (which I don't) I would take my (substantial) profits and run, coz I think they will be "going down"
Tesla has not made substantial profits. It’s made a huge investments and consistent losses throughout most of its history. It has only in recent times become consistently profitable.Personally if I owned any Tesla shares (which I don't) I would take my (substantial) profits and run, coz I think they will be "going down"
Bye Tesla!
£80k for the single motor, £100k for the dual, with options add £15k appx each.
Shape / profile relates to the lack of engine noise and requirement to minimise wind whistle, cd of 0.2 which is the lowest ever for a production EV (Model S 0.208).
I sold my Tesla shares, this is an electric S class, the Model S might be quicker but the interior quality is like a fiesta in comparison.
With the new EQS SUV on the way, the EQE in both forms as well as the entry EQA no chance I’d pay similar for a Tesla.
£80k for the single motor, £100k for the dual, with options add £15k appx each.
Shape / profile relates to the lack of engine noise and requirement to minimise wind whistle, cd of 0.2 which is the lowest ever for a production EV (Model S 0.208).
I sold my Tesla shares, this is an electric S class, the Model S might be quicker but the interior quality is like a fiesta in comparison.
With the new EQS SUV on the way, the EQE in both forms as well as the entry EQA no chance I’d pay similar for a Tesla.
Lord.Vader said:
Bye Tesla!
£80k for the single motor, £100k for the dual, with options add £15k appx each.
Shape / profile relates to the lack of engine noise and requirement to minimise wind whistle, cd of 0.2 which is the lowest ever for a production EV (Model S 0.208).
I sold my Tesla shares, this is an electric S class, the Model S might be quicker but the interior quality is like a fiesta in comparison.
With the new EQS SUV on the way, the EQE in both forms as well as the entry EQA no chance I’d pay similar for a Tesla.
I think your numbers are going to be at least 10% too low based on the majority of sources so with options you're looking at £100k+ starting point. About time the aging Model S got some more competition though I agree.£80k for the single motor, £100k for the dual, with options add £15k appx each.
Shape / profile relates to the lack of engine noise and requirement to minimise wind whistle, cd of 0.2 which is the lowest ever for a production EV (Model S 0.208).
I sold my Tesla shares, this is an electric S class, the Model S might be quicker but the interior quality is like a fiesta in comparison.
With the new EQS SUV on the way, the EQE in both forms as well as the entry EQA no chance I’d pay similar for a Tesla.
The EQA hasn't been well received and looks very pricey at almost £50k with a few options for the base model with 190bhp and a sub 200 mile range. Just a lazy platform share unlike the EQS.
Edited by SWoll on Saturday 17th April 08:56
Lord.Vader said:
I sold my Tesla shares, this is an electric S class, the Model S might be quicker but the interior quality is like a fiesta in comparison.
TBF, the last Fiesta I drove was pretty well put together. :shrug: I think you're being unfair on the Fiesta, whereas the Model S I drove was...erm...adequate. Extremely impressive technically, and nearly a really cool-looking thing, too. The fussy seven (!) separate sections to the side glasshouse and the weird shutlines over the front wheels in two-tone destroy what would otherwise be a really elegant design. The concept had none of that. Could they really not make the rear windows one piece? Contrast it with the Audi A7 side glasshouse, for example.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Monkeylegend said:
Just hope it never goes wrong.
It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
People have been saying that when a new car comes out for 30 years+It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
Think grosser Mercedes and rolls Royce and keeping the 1960s cars in perfect working order - a big challenge even back in the 1960s.
And if this new car depreciates like a stone, err, what’s new about that for a flagship Mercedes?
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