RE: Mercedes EQS revealed with 478-mile range
Discussion
Pretty impressive statement car. And you can imagine that most of the tech ( and range ) will be in a cheaper e class equivalent in 5 years or so. And that most of the other car manufacturers will have something similar out.
Makes you then wonder how Tesla can be worth more than the top 7 or 8 car makers COMBINED. ( Or whatever it is today ... )
Makes you then wonder how Tesla can be worth more than the top 7 or 8 car makers COMBINED. ( Or whatever it is today ... )
unpc said:
Monkeylegend said:
Just hope it never goes wrong.
It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
It's a disaster waiting to happen as they are already finding out with their current, excuse the pun, electric offerings.
Funny how posters thought the Maybach was ugly yet seem to like this.
Electronically complicated perhaps but mechanically simple. Way simpler than a regular S class mechanically. Borkage potential should be less hopefully but it'll date quicker than news print. It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
It's a disaster waiting to happen as they are already finding out with their current, excuse the pun, electric offerings.
Funny how posters thought the Maybach was ugly yet seem to like this.
It seems the dealers are struggling to fault find with these in the same way they were with the now discontinued diesel hybrids, leaving owners without their cars for lenghty periods of time while the technicians and service staff scratch their heads.
No need to wonder why they discontinued the diesel hybrid
Edited by Monkeylegend on Friday 16th April 09:17
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Pretty impressive statement car. And you can imagine that most of the tech ( and range ) will be in a cheaper e class equivalent in 5 years or so. And that most of the other car manufacturers will have something similar out.
Makes you then wonder how Tesla can be worth more than the top 7 or 8 car makers COMBINED. ( Or whatever it is today ... )
HYPE!!!!Makes you then wonder how Tesla can be worth more than the top 7 or 8 car makers COMBINED. ( Or whatever it is today ... )
Plus theres a few people with no idea where to put their spare cash and "oh look Tesla are going up.BUY BUY BUY!"
unpc said:
Monkeylegend said:
Just hope it never goes wrong.
It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
It's a disaster waiting to happen as they are already finding out with their current, excuse the pun, electric offerings.
Funny how posters thought the Maybach was ugly yet seem to like this.
Electronically complicated perhaps but mechanically simple. Way simpler than a regular S class mechanically. Borkage potential should be less hopefully but it'll date quicker than news print. It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
It's a disaster waiting to happen as they are already finding out with their current, excuse the pun, electric offerings.
Funny how posters thought the Maybach was ugly yet seem to like this.
Interesting car. I've owned my W222 s-class for 5 years because I've struggled to find something better to replace it, other than another W222 but it's been faultless and doesn't appear to have worn out at all.
I bought an s-class because I do (did before COVID) need to drive 400 miles in a day. The EQS range makes it viable for me; I know you can top-up en-route but I never want do this with a 700+ mile range with a tank of diesel.
Lots of other EVs don't appeal because they are just don't cover ground with the same level of comfort and pace. Nor do they feel as well engineered or 'quality'. Let's see.
I bought an s-class because I do (did before COVID) need to drive 400 miles in a day. The EQS range makes it viable for me; I know you can top-up en-route but I never want do this with a 700+ mile range with a tank of diesel.
Lots of other EVs don't appeal because they are just don't cover ground with the same level of comfort and pace. Nor do they feel as well engineered or 'quality'. Let's see.
jimmytheone said:
unpc said:
Monkeylegend said:
Just hope it never goes wrong.
It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
It's a disaster waiting to happen as they are already finding out with their current, excuse the pun, electric offerings.
Funny how posters thought the Maybach was ugly yet seem to like this.
Electronically complicated perhaps but mechanically simple. Way simpler than a regular S class mechanically. Borkage potential should be less hopefully but it'll date quicker than news print. It's one thing to design and produce a car as complicated as this, it's another thing to expect Mercedes technicians in the dealerships to be able to keep it running
It's a disaster waiting to happen as they are already finding out with their current, excuse the pun, electric offerings.
Funny how posters thought the Maybach was ugly yet seem to like this.
SWoll said:
It's not. They've managed to take quite a bit of weight out for the current S-Class and even the bigger engined models like the S500 are now < 2 tonnes from what I've read. 600+ KG is a lot of additional weight, think 5 rugby players + luggage.
if it really is managing 400 miles or so in testing that is very impressive from a 100kWh battery, I just don't understand why so many posters appear so taken with such an awkward looking, incredibly heavy car that's all about motorway comfort. Surely the antithesis of a PH car?
I think if someone can find pleasure in a car it doesn't matter what it is. We don't all need to want only a Caterham as our daily driver to be a PHer. if it really is managing 400 miles or so in testing that is very impressive from a 100kWh battery, I just don't understand why so many posters appear so taken with such an awkward looking, incredibly heavy car that's all about motorway comfort. Surely the antithesis of a PH car?
chrispmartha said:
Terminator X said:
Mr E said:
Two points;
1) that’s really not what it’s for
2) if you did, I suspect it might do better than we’d expect. I doubt very much it would be *fun* but it would be uncomfortably rapid.
My M5 was rapid although not particularly enjoyable as it weighed 1.9t. This monstrosity manages to be 700kg heavier ffs.1) that’s really not what it’s for
2) if you did, I suspect it might do better than we’d expect. I doubt very much it would be *fun* but it would be uncomfortably rapid.
TX.
TX.
chrispmartha said:
Terminator X said:
If 2.6t doesn't bother you I suggest there are various bus websites more to your taste.
TX.
Ridiculous.TX.
Explain why it should bother me or you for that matter on a car such as this?
Monkeylegend said:
Not sure how that is relevant to this new electric offering.
It was in response to the comment "Only the 350+ sensors to go wrong, all of which talk to each other and can only be coded by Merc (at vast expense)".I understand that an EV doesn't emit nitrous oxide.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 16th April 12:24
milesr3 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Not sure how that is relevant to this new electric offering.
It was in response to the comment "Only the 350+ sensors to go wrong, all of which talk to each other and can only be coded by Merc (at vast expense)".Having said that Merc have major issues with BlueTec emissions technology and NOx sensors on both diesel and petrol cars, so what hope is there for a car brimming with new electric driven technology and 350 sensors.
Unless that is the point you are making.
I was advised by Mercedes not to buy a Diesel hybrid a few years ago and stick to diesel only because they admitted themselves they had major issues with the communications between the diesel engine and the battery drive system which the dealerships knew very little about and didn't have the knowledge or skills to deal with the problems they were facing.
What hope then is there that they will be able to deal with this new vastly more complicated electric car technology at the dealerships.
They are already struggling to master issues with their EQ cars and have severe part availability issues with cars being off road for weeks at a time, and recurring faults. You would be a brave man to be the first to invest in this latest technology.
Monkeylegend said:
Unless that is the point you are making.
Quite the contrary, that in 5 years and 60,000 miles I've had one sensor fail and it was fixed with the minimum of inconvenience and cost. I haven't experienced the major issues with BlueTec emissions technology you raised.Everything has an ECU in it nowadays, even the headlights. Are EVs really vastly complicated or just new and different? The drivetrains aren't unnecessarily burdened by lots of moving parts and increasingly stringent emissions control systems. All the non-powertrain control units are no doubt the same as every other vehicle.
I was not aware that they are struggling with issues and parts supply of their EQ cars though. Maybe I'll buy a Mustang instead, now that I have nowhere to go...
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 16th April 12:53
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
SWoll said:
It's not. They've managed to take quite a bit of weight out for the current S-Class and even the bigger engined models like the S500 are now < 2 tonnes from what I've read. 600+ KG is a lot of additional weight, think 5 rugby players + luggage.
if it really is managing 400 miles or so in testing that is very impressive from a 100kWh battery, I just don't understand why so many posters appear so taken with such an awkward looking, incredibly heavy car that's all about motorway comfort. Surely the antithesis of a PH car?
I think if someone can find pleasure in a car it doesn't matter what it is. We don't all need to want only a Caterham as our daily driver to be a PHer. if it really is managing 400 miles or so in testing that is very impressive from a 100kWh battery, I just don't understand why so many posters appear so taken with such an awkward looking, incredibly heavy car that's all about motorway comfort. Surely the antithesis of a PH car?
milesr3 said:
Monkeylegend said:
Unless that is the point you are making.
Quite the contrary, that in 5 years and 60,000 miles I've had one sensor fail and it was fixed with the minimum of inconvenience and cost. I haven't experienced the major issues with BlueTec emissions technology you raised.Everything has an ECU in it nowadays, even the headlights. Are EVs really vastly complicated or just new and different? The drivetrains aren't unnecessarily burdened by lots of moving parts and increasingly stringent emissions control systems. All the non-powertrain control units are no doubt the same as every other vehicle.
I was not aware that they are struggling with issues and parts supply of their EQ cars though. Maybe I'll buy a Mustang instead, now that I have nowhere to go...
Edited by milesr3 on Friday 16th April 12:53
I have had five Mercedes over the last 20 years none of which caused any issues. That all seems to have changed with the introduction of hybrid and adblue technology, and this latest electric technology does not fill me with a great deal of confidence.
For the last 12 years I've had either A8's or S Class Mercs on the drive and every single problem I've had apart from consumables has been a sensor.
Had one on the Merc the other day. Dashboard lights up like a Christmas tree predicting Armageddon. Yep, a wheel sensor.
Sensors are there to check everything is working OK, what we need is sensors to check the sensors. Maybe why this new one has 350 of them. One hell of a lot to go wrong a few years down the line.
Had one on the Merc the other day. Dashboard lights up like a Christmas tree predicting Armageddon. Yep, a wheel sensor.
Sensors are there to check everything is working OK, what we need is sensors to check the sensors. Maybe why this new one has 350 of them. One hell of a lot to go wrong a few years down the line.
Monkeylegend said:
A quick scan of the Mercedes dedicated forums will show some of the issues they are having here and in the States.
I have had five Mercedes over the last 20 years none of which caused any issues. That all seems to have changed with the introduction of hybrid and adblue technology, and this latest electric technology does not fill me with a great deal of confidence.
Stories on forums are not representative. How many owners of any brand post on forums to say "I just had a month of problem free motoring!"? I have had five Mercedes over the last 20 years none of which caused any issues. That all seems to have changed with the introduction of hybrid and adblue technology, and this latest electric technology does not fill me with a great deal of confidence.
People often post when they have an issue, so you can't extrapolate much from looking at forums. Yes, you can see there are issues, but you can't see the true prevalence of such issues, all you'll end up with is the perceived risk, not the actual risk.
If you know of any hard data that shows what proportion of UK Merc hybrid/BEV cars have problems with the battery, I would love to see that data.
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