RE: Lotus previews new Emira interior
Discussion
Tuna said:
otolith said:
The Emira and Evija are just the opening salvo. The rest of the range is on its way, including mummywagons.
I've been struggling with their announcements - on the one hand, sure, SUV is coming; on the other hand the Emira will be available in a 'range of specs' which makes it sound like they're trying to replace the entire existing line up (minimal though it is) with one car.This is their last combustion engined car. They're working on a new electric sports car platform which will deliver a range of cars. In the meantime, there will be other cars (including the SUV) from China.
Sporky said:
Gary C said:
I will try the Alpine (though the wife would kill me for having two 'sports' cars).
Well, you said something like "fun everyday car" - I have a Golf and the Alpine, and the latter is my everyday car - the Golf is just for weekends when I need to transport dogs and/or stuff.There are no electric cars I want yet.
I might just get a cheap GT86 and thrash it to bits.
Tuna said:
otolith said:
The Emira and Evija are just the opening salvo. The rest of the range is on its way, including mummywagons.
I've been struggling with their announcements - on the one hand, sure, SUV is coming; on the other hand the Emira will be available in a 'range of specs' which makes it sound like they're trying to replace the entire existing line up (minimal though it is) with one car.Tuna said:
I've been struggling with their announcements - on the one hand, sure, SUV is coming; on the other hand the Emira will be available in a 'range of specs' which makes it sound like they're trying to replace the entire existing line up (minimal though it is) with one car.
I got the impression that was just for now. There’s that render/teaser showing three new silhouettes in addition to the Emira, and then there’s the SUV to come too.
It also wouldn’t surprise me if the V6 was dropped eventually in favour of the 4cyl only, and then the other two being electric, and the SUV being hybrid.
otolith said:
CraigyMc said:
Emira replaces elise, exige and evora.
More like Lotus exits the Elise/Exige segment, IMO.There's going to be something sitting above it in due course, either a GT or a more exclusive sports car.
The SUV has potential to be something quite awesome as there's lots of lightness to add to an SUV but rather than being a Urus type thing I have a feeling it'll be more Duster in quality.
They can't tool up for anything too different but at the same time even if this new car flies off the shelf the business is structured for more volume than a single model in a niche sector can supply.
DonkeyApple said:
The SUV has potential to be something quite awesome as there's lots of lightness to add to an SUV but rather than being a Urus type thing I have a feeling it'll be more Duster in quality.
I think that sounds quite intriguing. At some point I'll need a new dog bus; I don't mind it being not-luxurious as it'll be caked in mud, but it'd be nice if it's a little bit Lotusy to drive. I don't want an Exige on stilts, but I would like something vaguely nippy and with lovely steering.DonkeyApple said:
otolith said:
CraigyMc said:
Emira replaces elise, exige and evora.
More like Lotus exits the Elise/Exige segment, IMO.Even as an Exige replacement, which is closer in weight, it's going to be too big and heavy and not a minimalist raw car at all.
No, what they need to do is to cash in on the "lightweight" branding by selling a premium version with less sound insulation, leather straps for door handles and some equipment deleted, resulting in a nominal weight saving and some extra dosh when the punters add the stereo and aircon back in.
DonkeyApple said:
The SUV has potential to be something quite awesome as there's lots of lightness to add to an SUV but rather than being a Urus type thing I have a feeling it'll be more Duster in quality.
I come back to leather door straps and deleting equipment. Sell it as lightweight, nobody really cares about the actuality.kambites said:
Well yes bit that would also be true of say a Golf. Manufacturers constantly improve their cars within a particular model run. I know from trying to buy parts for out Skoda that most engine ancillaries were changed at least twice during the course of the mk2 Octavia VRS's production. In 14 years of maintaining my Elise I've found remarkably few components which were changed during the S2 111S production run. In fact I can't actually think of any off the top of my head.
I mean same model, same year, everything the same but they have something different like a different rear view mirror. I can’t comment if this is the case for the S3 but certainly noticed this in the S2. Edited by kambites on Thursday 10th June 09:13
Sporky said:
I think that sounds quite intriguing. At some point I'll need a new dog bus; I don't mind it being not-luxurious as it'll be caked in mud, but it'd be nice if it's a little bit Lotusy to drive. I don't want an Exige on stilts, but I would like something vaguely nippy and with lovely steering.
And yet I think an Exige on stilts would sell very well. Remember that ridiculous thing Porsche did by putting a 996 on stilts and big wheels that “enthusiasts” hated and every footballer/wag/ every man and his dog then bought thereby saving the company
otolith said:
DonkeyApple said:
The SUV has potential to be something quite awesome as there's lots of lightness to add to an SUV but rather than being a Urus type thing I have a feeling it'll be more Duster in quality.
I come back to leather door straps and deleting equipment. Sell it as lightweight, nobody really cares about the actuality.But I don't think they've ever been clear as to whether they plan to just job out some branded turd in China or deliver an actual Western SUV with the Lotus ethos applied?
otolith said:
DonkeyApple said:
otolith said:
CraigyMc said:
Emira replaces elise, exige and evora.
More like Lotus exits the Elise/Exige segment, IMO.Even as an Exige replacement, which is closer in weight, it's going to be too big and heavy and not a minimalist raw car at all.
No, what they need to do is to cash in on the "lightweight" branding by selling a premium version with less sound insulation, leather straps for door handles and some equipment deleted, resulting in a nominal weight saving and some extra dosh when the punters add the stereo and aircon back in.
DonkeyApple said:
A Baja racer with basic mod cons. An SUV today doesn't need to be much more than a jacked up coupe.
Take generic Chinese SUV. Graft on Evija derived styling cues. Get Hethel to set it up so it doesn't fall over in the corners. Job jobbed?DonkeyApple said:
But I don't think they've ever been clear as to whether they plan to just job out some branded turd in China or deliver an actual Western SUV with the Lotus ethos applied?
It's going to be built in China, but I'm not sure that it will necessarily be turdy.01 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
03 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
05 SUV/Coupe crossover
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1126356_lynk-c...
03 saloon
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
APontus said:
Who do people believe Lotus are going to steal sales from in the £60k-150k bracket?
I'm not sure they necessarily need to be 'stealing sales' as many sports cars are second cars bought on a whim because the product manages to tickle the fancy of someone with money but no previous desire for another product. They aren't going steal sales from Ferrari and the like because if you have the money for one of those then that is what you're going to buy but if you only have half the money and desire something like that then the Lotus, in theory, would be creating a sale out of thin air.
I can't see them taking sales from Porsche. It's a brand that seems to have two core types of enthusiast, the image enthusiast and the genuine brand enthusiast. Neither would seemingly opt for a Lotus for the same money.
Arguably, they would get back lost sales from not having a desirable, aspirational product for decades. And hopefully they will move themselves onto the radar of general sports at buyers who are typically fairly agnostic on brand.
otolith said:
It's going to be built in China, but I'm not sure that it will necessarily be turdy.
01 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
03 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
05 SUV/Coupe crossover
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1126356_lynk-c...
03 saloon
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
The kindest thing I can say about the Volvo SUV equivalent is that it is nice inside. But it's of no interest whatsoever to anyone with even the slightest concern about driving. Lotus would have to do VASTLY better.01 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
03 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
05 SUV/Coupe crossover
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1126356_lynk-c...
03 saloon
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
bcr5784 said:
otolith said:
It's going to be built in China, but I'm not sure that it will necessarily be turdy.
01 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
03 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
05 SUV/Coupe crossover
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1126356_lynk-c...
03 saloon
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
The kindest thing I can say about the Volvo SUV equivalent is that it is nice inside. But it's of no interest whatsoever to anyone with even the slightest concern about driving. Lotus would have to do VASTLY better.01 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
03 SUV
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
05 SUV/Coupe crossover
https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1126356_lynk-c...
03 saloon
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-offic...
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