RE: Toyota reveals all-new Land Cruiser 300

RE: Toyota reveals all-new Land Cruiser 300

Wednesday 9th June 2021

Toyota reveals all-new Land Cruiser 300

It's all change for the legendary 4x4 - except where it counts, of course



Toyota isn't going to sell the new Land Cruiser in the UK. This is understandable. Its traditionalism, size and price meant it was always a niche item in this country. For 70 years the Land Cruiser has been about conquering mountain ranges and savannah and boundless deserts. For the Lake District, it's a bit much. Plus you could always buy a Range Rover. Which mostly everyone always did.

But we don't apologise to pointing you at a latest version because they don't come round very often. Toyota says this is the first new 'station wagon' variant since it launched the 200 Series in 2007. As life cycles go, that's glacial. This one is called the 300 (no time wasted on naming conventions) and is notable because it is completely and utterly new - new platform, new engines, new 10-speed auto, new suspension, new look, new cabin.

And yet in length, width, wheelbase and departure and approach angles, the Land Cruiser is the same. Because if it's not broke, Toyota doesn't fix it. Rather this is about bringing the model into the 21st century, hence the deployment of a new TNGA platform - the GA-F. This is the first designed for a body-on-frame model, and, as you can imagine, it's modernity is said to result in a quantum leap forward in rigidity, safety and dynamism.



Most significantly, it reduces the Land Cruiser's kerbweight by 200kg, which is a significant off-loading of timber even in a car which remains unapologetically large. Attached to it is a chassis that boasts an epic acronym even by Toyota standards: E-KDSS - Electronic Kinetic Dynamic Suspension System. Pow. The manufacturer doesn't go into specifics in the press material, but we're told to expect optimum wheel articulation in virtually any situation.

Especially when it's combined with a new Multi-Terrain Monitor to give you a real-time view of the surface beneath you - and automatically adjust the driving mode to suit. Clever. Powering the Land Cruiser over obstacles large and small is a twin-turbo V6 in 3.5-litre petrol and 3.3-litre diesel flavours. So no more V8, but Toyota is promising class-leading performance and superior drivability from both.

Then there's the styling, which despite the manufacturer's claims of newness, is all about consistency. It looks like a Land Cruiser - and that's plenty good enough. Or it ought to be for the rest of the world at any rate. Toyota UK tells us the closest the new model will get to the UK is Russia. Which is probably about right; if we were driving across Siberia, it's precisely the car we'd choose to be in.






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WokkaWokka

Original Poster:

699 posts

139 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Boxy.

Augustus Windsock

3,366 posts

155 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Designed by Ole Kirk Christiansen:
The man who invented Lego....

Ella Jean

98 posts

40 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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It’s like they’ve forgotten to redesign the side

loveice

648 posts

247 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Why didn't mention the new GR-S model will come with 3 manually operated diff locks... In case, new Defender lovers start to mention how great LR's traction control is, so that manually operated diff locks aren't needed in the 21st century, this GR-S model also comes with Toyota's Crawl Control. Toyota just shows us electric off road gadgets do not contradict with proper 3-diff lock setup.

Venturist

3,472 posts

195 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Crikey that’s a bit of a fridge isn’t it.

snowandrocks

1,054 posts

142 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Will reserve judgement until I see the basic model but should be impressive if any of Toyota's other recent models are anything to go by.

I did wonder if there was going to be a hybrid version but I guess they might keep that for the smaller Prado replacement which is due in the next few years too.

sennastyl

33 posts

196 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Ella Jean said:
It’s like they’ve forgotten to redesign the side
They definitely redesigned the interior. Just . . . for $90K one would expect more than just black plastics, if that's what you meant.

I don't think they are coming to the US either.

Rumblestripe

2,936 posts

162 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Land Rover: See our beautiful new Defender

Toyota: Hold my beer

romac

595 posts

146 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Not a great fan of the grill, but undoubtedly it is an extremely capable vehicle. Shame it's not coming to the UK.

Kawasicki

13,079 posts

235 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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The tyre and wheel (outside diameter of tyre) looks seriously undersized for the body.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,062 posts

98 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Let's face it. Post Judgement Day, all that will be left will be cockroaches, Terminators - and Toyota Landcruisers....

Toyota know their market for these. There's no need to tinker with a winning formula, so they haven't.

sidesauce

2,475 posts

218 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Venturist said:
Crikey that’s a bit of a fridge isn’t it.
Very cool?

MattsCar

947 posts

105 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Kawasicki said:
The tyre and wheel (outside diameter of tyre) looks seriously undersized for the body.
Yep, but i'm guessing that is due to the massive potential suspension travel and the fact that they are trying to keep the arch looking normal and in proportion in terms of width, as opposed to an upright letter box, which would look worse.

Kawasicki

13,079 posts

235 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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MattsCar said:
Kawasicki said:
The tyre and wheel (outside diameter of tyre) looks seriously undersized for the body.
Yep, but i'm guessing that is due to the massive potential suspension travel and the fact that they are trying to keep the arch looking normal and in proportion in terms of width, as opposed to an upright letter box, which would look worse.
Yes, that makes sense.

SuperPav

1,084 posts

125 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Nobody has ever bought a land cruiser for its looks, so the design is neither here nor there. If it’s just as capable, usable and reliable as the last one then the same customers will continue to buy it.

Seems like they know well enough to not mess with the formula, and that the design is largely irrelevant and almost certainly just driven by proportions, dimensional targets, costs and existing platform constraints.

Walter Sobchak

5,723 posts

224 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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I do wonder why they aren't bringing it to the UK?, you've only got to look at the used prices of 80/100/200 Series ones here to know that there is a(small) market for them.
I like Range Rovers, but there's no doubt which is the better car, I wonder if they'll bother offering the replacement to the Prado here?, given that Aus is RHD wouldn't it be pretty easy for Toyota to offer this as a special order model or something?.


Edited by Walter Sobchak on Wednesday 9th June 22:29

anonymous-user

54 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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“the deployment of a new TNGA platform - the GA-F. This is the first designed for a body-on-frame model, and, as you can imagine, it's modernity is said to result in a quantum leap forward in rigidity, safety and dynamism.”

Is this correct? “A quantum leap forward in rigidity, safety and dynamism” is a phrase you’d expect to see following the statement that the body-on-frame has been phased out. This must actually be a monocoque, no?

Edit: Checked the Toyota press release. Still a body on frame. Fair enough!

Edited by F20CN16 on Wednesday 9th June 22:37

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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fk me that’s ugly

Maldini35

2,913 posts

188 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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MattsCar said:
Kawasicki said:
The tyre and wheel (outside diameter of tyre) looks seriously undersized for the body.
Yep, but i'm guessing that is due to the massive potential suspension travel and the fact that they are trying to keep the arch looking normal and in proportion in terms of width, as opposed to an upright letter box, which would look worse.
Not sure anything could make it look worse

Escort Si-130

3,272 posts

180 months

Wednesday 9th June 2021
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Augustus Windsock said:
Designed by Ole Kirk Christiansen:
The man who invented Lego....
fpmsl, it does look very tractor'ish at the front.