RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance
Discussion
I think it's odd most people want a Crossover form fact rather than a Saloon with is where EV are currently at. I real terms EV are very slowly picking up. That will change but is suspect most people will dip their toe in and get some sort of hybrid. A full EV is not use to me really as I have place to charge it and don't want to drive out and charge it either.
I do 25 mile a week so a old Mercedes Slk amg 55 and to be far it not a family car or every going to be classed reliable by modern standards, but it's great fun with the top down. I doubt the impact on the environment is much and for sure will not killing of rain forests. I if did more mile then I look at a more environment friendly option, but buy a new car. does not seam good at all for the planet.
I do 25 mile a week so a old Mercedes Slk amg 55 and to be far it not a family car or every going to be classed reliable by modern standards, but it's great fun with the top down. I doubt the impact on the environment is much and for sure will not killing of rain forests. I if did more mile then I look at a more environment friendly option, but buy a new car. does not seam good at all for the planet.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
768 said:
Not many petrol cars are going to be 40% down in 17 miles though, ouch.
total range of 42.5 miles when caning it. I don't know just how hard they're driving but a high performance car might be as low as 3-4mpg so with a 15 gallon tank it wouldn't be massively better I don't think.whp1983 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
768 said:
Not many petrol cars are going to be 40% down in 17 miles though, ouch.
total range of 42.5 miles when caning it. I don't know just how hard they're driving but a high performance car might be as low as 3-4mpg so with a 15 gallon tank it wouldn't be massively better I don't think.TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
whp1983 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
768 said:
Not many petrol cars are going to be 40% down in 17 miles though, ouch.
total range of 42.5 miles when caning it. I don't know just how hard they're driving but a high performance car might be as low as 3-4mpg so with a 15 gallon tank it wouldn't be massively better I don't think.It sticks me that you guys are perhaps a little out of touch. There's bloody LOADS of charging stations. Certainly more than enough and growing all the time. What is really the issue, is the time it takes. It's going to be 30-40mins on a fast charger to go from 20-80%. Not the end of the world, but certainly not the 3-5mins it takes to fill the tank.
Aside from that, plenty of choice around where we work and live (including our house!).
PhantomPH said:
I've actually just put my own money on the line and yesterday ordered an Audi Q4, so range/infrastructure is going to be something I (well, probably my OH mostly) become accurately familiar with.
It sticks me that you guys are perhaps a little out of touch. There's bloody LOADS of charging stations. Certainly more than enough and growing all the time. What is really the issue, is the time it takes. It's going to be 30-40mins on a fast charger to go from 20-80%. Not the end of the world, but certainly not the 3-5mins it takes to fill the tank.
Aside from that, plenty of choice around where we work and live (including our house!).
Anyone got a map of chargers that are actually working though…It sticks me that you guys are perhaps a little out of touch. There's bloody LOADS of charging stations. Certainly more than enough and growing all the time. What is really the issue, is the time it takes. It's going to be 30-40mins on a fast charger to go from 20-80%. Not the end of the world, but certainly not the 3-5mins it takes to fill the tank.
Aside from that, plenty of choice around where we work and live (including our house!).
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
J4CKO said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
J4CKO said:
Is this as fast as a superbike now ?
Way faster than a superbike.
ZX10R NIN said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
J4CKO said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
J4CKO said:
Is this as fast as a superbike now ?
Way faster than a superbike.J4CKO said:
I was referencing the long running thread on the same subject, a bit like mentioning 747s on treadmills...
I know you were I was just being pedantic To conclude the other debate it was yes a purpose built race car would trounce a Superbike but when you talk about showroom vehicles then it swung back in the favour of the Sportsbikes.
Bobtherallyfan said:
PhantomPH said:
I've actually just put my own money on the line and yesterday ordered an Audi Q4, so range/infrastructure is going to be something I (well, probably my OH mostly) become accurately familiar with.
It sticks me that you guys are perhaps a little out of touch. There's bloody LOADS of charging stations. Certainly more than enough and growing all the time. What is really the issue, is the time it takes. It's going to be 30-40mins on a fast charger to go from 20-80%. Not the end of the world, but certainly not the 3-5mins it takes to fill the tank.
Aside from that, plenty of choice around where we work and live (including our house!).
Anyone got a map of chargers that are actually working though…It sticks me that you guys are perhaps a little out of touch. There's bloody LOADS of charging stations. Certainly more than enough and growing all the time. What is really the issue, is the time it takes. It's going to be 30-40mins on a fast charger to go from 20-80%. Not the end of the world, but certainly not the 3-5mins it takes to fill the tank.
Aside from that, plenty of choice around where we work and live (including our house!).
I suppose under 100kw is fine too if you just need a top up, fancy sleeping in your car or you're a reaaallly slow coffee drinker.
Which ones are actually working? Hmmm.
IME, 50 kW is actually fine for a lot of trips for top up type charging, ie to either provide a bit of a buffer as you get towards your destination or to allow you to extend your range by a bit, but not " full battery" worth, which covers a lot of UK driving ime.
I find about 25 min on a 50kW sticks in about 80 miles range or so, which makes a surprising difference to where is accessable
I find about 25 min on a 50kW sticks in about 80 miles range or so, which makes a surprising difference to where is accessable
Schmed said:
Great acceleration, but what does using it actually do to the alleged '390 mile' range ??
I can’t remember the claimed range on my Model S Performance, but think it was about 350 miles. When cruising at 90mph across Europe Imwas having to charge every 180 to be sure of not running out, and was generally pulling in to the charger with less than 20 miles left.It just wasn’t enough, it meant I had realistically only one route available, and even that needed me to back off for parts of it.
redroadster said:
People who are not impressed that a saloon car can blow away million pound hypercars for a tenth of the money still want an apple and orange for Christmas.
It can’t though. The acceleration is about the same as some, but it’s far behind in terms of,Aesthetics,
Handling,
Braking
Covering distance at speed
Interior.
ZX10R NIN said:
So not many then maybe 3 at a push, the times are stunning but I'd want more access to it, it would be a waste of a day going to Santa Pod to only be able to run 2-3 times.
It’s worth pointing out that the acceleration figures aren’t normally available. You need a nearly fully-charged battery, and then have to condition it to the right temperature, which I think took about 20 minutes in mine. It was enough of a faff that I only tried it once.andy43 said:
Bobtherallyfan said:
PhantomPH said:
I've actually just put my own money on the line and yesterday ordered an Audi Q4, so range/infrastructure is going to be something I (well, probably my OH mostly) become accurately familiar with.
It sticks me that you guys are perhaps a little out of touch. There's bloody LOADS of charging stations. Certainly more than enough and growing all the time. What is really the issue, is the time it takes. It's going to be 30-40mins on a fast charger to go from 20-80%. Not the end of the world, but certainly not the 3-5mins it takes to fill the tank.
Aside from that, plenty of choice around where we work and live (including our house!).
Anyone got a map of chargers that are actually working though…It sticks me that you guys are perhaps a little out of touch. There's bloody LOADS of charging stations. Certainly more than enough and growing all the time. What is really the issue, is the time it takes. It's going to be 30-40mins on a fast charger to go from 20-80%. Not the end of the world, but certainly not the 3-5mins it takes to fill the tank.
Aside from that, plenty of choice around where we work and live (including our house!).
I suppose under 100kw is fine too if you just need a top up, fancy sleeping in your car or you're a reaaallly slow coffee drinker.
Which ones are actually working? Hmmm.
Quite a different picture if you include anything 45kW+
ZX10R NIN said:
Olivera said:
dgswk said:
I've spent the last three days giving people rolling 5-60mph joy rides in my new Polestar 2, with the inevitable giggles and expletives. From personal experience (I've got a 992 C2S for comparison, which ain't slow of the lights) EV horses, even with 2+ tonnes attached, just go soooo much better than ICE horses in the real world.
Your 992 C2S is faster over every performance metric (0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile etc).The Polestar will never be a wailing manual flat 6 obviously, wringing it out in every gear between bends, but frankly as a daily, doing 20,000+ miles a year, that driving style wears off much quicker and 2-3 full bore launches down the slip road every week.
My earlier comment was if I had £100k to drop on a daily, I cant think of a better one to do it on than the Plaid. Will I sell my 911? Would the Plaid or PS2 replace the 911? Absolutely not on both counts.
dgswk said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Olivera said:
dgswk said:
I've spent the last three days giving people rolling 5-60mph joy rides in my new Polestar 2, with the inevitable giggles and expletives. From personal experience (I've got a 992 C2S for comparison, which ain't slow of the lights) EV horses, even with 2+ tonnes attached, just go soooo much better than ICE horses in the real world.
Your 992 C2S is faster over every performance metric (0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mile etc).The Polestar will never be a wailing manual flat 6 obviously, wringing it out in every gear between bends, but frankly as a daily, doing 20,000+ miles a year, that driving style wears off much quicker and 2-3 full bore launches down the slip road every week.
My earlier comment was if I had £100k to drop on a daily, I cant think of a better one to do it on than the Plaid. Will I sell my 911? Would the Plaid or PS2 replace the 911? Absolutely not on both counts.
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