RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance
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ITP said:
Yes, I reckon I could get a lease deal on a plaid.
£99/month for 3 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I have to do is put down a £116000 deposit
I really hate this idea of quoting monthly payments while ignoring the fact that you can only get those if you put down a deposit, too. It probably comes from working in finance, but I'd lose my job (rightly) if I quoted a product this way.£99/month for 3 years !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All I have to do is put down a £116000 deposit
A £12,000 deposit plus £500 per month for two years is £1,000 per month for two years, not £500.
t's completely dishonest, whether it's a company trying to hide the ownership of a car or a poster lying about how much you can buy an EV for to make a point that they can't make honestly.
Hopefully that's not the case here, but I'm going to be skeptical until he returns with an actual example of the supposed monthly cost.
Northernboy said:
I really hate this idea of quoting monthly payments while ignoring the fact that you can only get those if you put down a deposit, too. It probably comes from working in finance, but I'd lose my job (rightly) if I quoted a product this way.
A £12,000 deposit plus £500 per month for two years is £1,000 per month for two years, not £500.
It's completely dishonest, whether it's a company trying to hide the ownership of a car or a poster lying about how much you can buy an EV for to make a point that they can't make honestly.
Well said. A £12,000 deposit plus £500 per month for two years is £1,000 per month for two years, not £500.
It's completely dishonest, whether it's a company trying to hide the ownership of a car or a poster lying about how much you can buy an EV for to make a point that they can't make honestly.
Bobskirs6 said:
Massive power and torque with electric motors is not exactly hard and I cannot see £100k+ in this thing. In fact I am struggling to see why these electric cars cost as much as they do.
1000bhp? 0-150mph in low 9 seconds??its a nats cock slower on the qtr mile than the 2 million quid Rimmac C2
faster than a P1 around laguna seca in a 3 tonne saloon
anybody else make an electric motor like this?
https://electrek.co/2021/06/14/elon-musk-tesla-new...
its a performance bargain of the century
silentbrown said:
Closest I can get is Smart Fortwo Coupe, 1+48, 5K miles p/a, £183.60
Nissan Leaf is about £210 on a similar profile.
Similar ICE cars are about £150/month
Yes, my skeptic senses are tingling at this point. I'm intrigued now as to whether there really is a lease at £162.Nissan Leaf is about £210 on a similar profile.
Similar ICE cars are about £150/month
Northernboy said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
why?
How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
Which one can you lease for £162 per month, and are you sure that there isn't an upfront payment needed as well?How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
that gets you into a Smart Fortwo Electric Coupe 60kw Eq Premium 17kwh 2dr Auto
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/smart...
If you want something a little more mainstream
Volkswagen Id.3 Electric Hatchback 107kw Life Pro 62kwh 5dr Auto
£267.86 a month and Initial rental: £2,410.71 inc VAT
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volks...
You might not like the two options i've chosen, but that's not to say others won't, and, if people are going to generalise and speak on behalf of the entire UK "prices need to plummet before people will buy them" i thought i would show entry level evs are not out of reach for the average joe.
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
£162.15 a month and Initial rental: £1,459.39 inc VAT
that gets you into a Smart Fortwo Electric Coupe 60kw Eq Premium 17kwh 2dr Auto
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/smart...
If you want something a little more mainstream
Volkswagen Id.3 Electric Hatchback 107kw Life Pro 62kwh 5dr Auto
£267.86 a month and Initial rental: £2,410.71 inc VAT
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volks...
You might not like the two options i've chosen, but that's not to say others won't, and, if people are going to generalise and speak on behalf of the entire UK "prices need to plummet before people will buy them" i thought i would show entry level evs are not out of reach for the average joe.
So not the price which you claimed then, although not far enough off that you couldn't have made the point honestly if you'd wanted.that gets you into a Smart Fortwo Electric Coupe 60kw Eq Premium 17kwh 2dr Auto
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/smart...
If you want something a little more mainstream
Volkswagen Id.3 Electric Hatchback 107kw Life Pro 62kwh 5dr Auto
£267.86 a month and Initial rental: £2,410.71 inc VAT
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volks...
You might not like the two options i've chosen, but that's not to say others won't, and, if people are going to generalise and speak on behalf of the entire UK "prices need to plummet before people will buy them" i thought i would show entry level evs are not out of reach for the average joe.
So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
Northernboy said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
£162.15 a month and Initial rental: £1,459.39 inc VAT
that gets you into a Smart Fortwo Electric Coupe 60kw Eq Premium 17kwh 2dr Auto
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/smart...
If you want something a little more mainstream
Volkswagen Id.3 Electric Hatchback 107kw Life Pro 62kwh 5dr Auto
£267.86 a month and Initial rental: £2,410.71 inc VAT
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volks...
You might not like the two options i've chosen, but that's not to say others won't, and, if people are going to generalise and speak on behalf of the entire UK "prices need to plummet before people will buy them" i thought i would show entry level evs are not out of reach for the average joe.
So not the price which you claimed then, although not far enough off that you couldn't have made the point honestly if you'd wanted.that gets you into a Smart Fortwo Electric Coupe 60kw Eq Premium 17kwh 2dr Auto
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/smart...
If you want something a little more mainstream
Volkswagen Id.3 Electric Hatchback 107kw Life Pro 62kwh 5dr Auto
£267.86 a month and Initial rental: £2,410.71 inc VAT
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volks...
You might not like the two options i've chosen, but that's not to say others won't, and, if people are going to generalise and speak on behalf of the entire UK "prices need to plummet before people will buy them" i thought i would show entry level evs are not out of reach for the average joe.
So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
Northernboy said:
So not the price which you claimed then, although not far enough off that you couldn't have made the point honestly if you'd wanted.
So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
My apologies for not supplying every last detail on that deal, There is no 'dishonesty' it's £162 a month. Its how leases work. Initial payment then a monthly payment. So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
You may prefer to add the deposit into the monthly cost, to work out total cost of ownership, but that's not how leases are advertised.
You don't see mortgages advertised with the monthly figure that includes the deposit do you?
anyway..
the point is, not all EVs are expensive. Same as ICE, low spec is cheaper, if you want a nicer car with more features then you need to pay more money.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Northernboy said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
£162.15 a month and Initial rental: £1,459.39 inc VAT
that gets you into a Smart Fortwo Electric Coupe 60kw Eq Premium 17kwh 2dr Auto
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/smart...
If you want something a little more mainstream
Volkswagen Id.3 Electric Hatchback 107kw Life Pro 62kwh 5dr Auto
£267.86 a month and Initial rental: £2,410.71 inc VAT
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volks...
You might not like the two options i've chosen, but that's not to say others won't, and, if people are going to generalise and speak on behalf of the entire UK "prices need to plummet before people will buy them" i thought i would show entry level evs are not out of reach for the average joe.
So not the price which you claimed then, although not far enough off that you couldn't have made the point honestly if you'd wanted.that gets you into a Smart Fortwo Electric Coupe 60kw Eq Premium 17kwh 2dr Auto
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/smart...
If you want something a little more mainstream
Volkswagen Id.3 Electric Hatchback 107kw Life Pro 62kwh 5dr Auto
£267.86 a month and Initial rental: £2,410.71 inc VAT
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volks...
You might not like the two options i've chosen, but that's not to say others won't, and, if people are going to generalise and speak on behalf of the entire UK "prices need to plummet before people will buy them" i thought i would show entry level evs are not out of reach for the average joe.
So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
Northernboy said:
fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
I'd imagne quite a few. Most people aren't car enthusiasts, and an even greater proportion of people buying EVs aren't. In London parkking spaces and permits are not exactly easy to come by, so irrespective of wealth one car is quite common.Looking around the neighbours here most have a £100k+ car, and about half of those have it as their only car.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
fblm said:
How many people who buy a 100 grand car only have one car?
But when we're talking about an only EV future it's not well and good to say "just have a petrol car too"....
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 15th June 16:25
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
My apologies for not supplying every last detail on that deal, There is no 'dishonesty' it's £162 a month. Its how leases work. Initial payment then a monthly payment.
YOu said it could be had for X a month. It can't be, if you offer to pay that much per month they won't let you have one, you have to pay extra money.It's a ludicrous way to try to quote things, it's dishonest when dealers do it and dishonest when you do it.
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Northernboy said:
So not the price which you claimed then, although not far enough off that you couldn't have made the point honestly if you'd wanted.
So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
My apologies for not supplying every last detail on that deal, There is no 'dishonesty' it's £162 a month. Its how leases work. Initial payment then a monthly payment. So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
You may prefer to add the deposit into the monthly cost, to work out total cost of ownership, but that's not how leases are advertised.
You don't see mortgages advertised with the monthly figure that includes the deposit do you?
anyway..
the point is, not all EVs are expensive. Same as ICE, low spec is cheaper, if you want a nicer car with more features then you need to pay more money.
By your logic I could afford a Chiron on £162/month. All I need to do is stump up a £2m or whatever deposit.
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Northernboy said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
why?
How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
Which one can you lease for £162 per month, and are you sure that there isn't an upfront payment needed as well?How cheap do they need to be?
New evs start at around £20k
Used (and decent) EVs can be purchased from as little as £5k
you can lease a brand new ev from around £162 a month.
Is that out of reach for 'the majority' ?
if you click 1 months initial rental and make it 10k miles per year you end up with £204 per month for little more than a hair dryer, bargin!
£162.15 a month and Initial rental: £1,459.39 inc VAT
that gets you into a Smart Fortwo Electric Coupe 60kw Eq Premium 17kwh 2dr Auto
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/smart...
If you want something a little more mainstream
Volkswagen Id.3 Electric Hatchback 107kw Life Pro 62kwh 5dr Auto
£267.86 a month and Initial rental: £2,410.71 inc VAT
https://www.pinkcarleasing.co.uk/car-leasing/volks...
You might not like the two options i've chosen, but that's not to say others won't, and, if people are going to generalise and speak on behalf of the entire UK "prices need to plummet before people will buy them" i thought i would show entry level evs are not out of reach for the average joe.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Northernboy said:
So not the price which you claimed then, although not far enough off that you couldn't have made the point honestly if you'd wanted.
So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
My apologies for not supplying every last detail on that deal, There is no 'dishonesty' it's £162 a month. Its how leases work. Initial payment then a monthly payment. So yes, you can get a two-seater city car with an extremely limited range for quite a low price.
You may prefer to add the deposit into the monthly cost, to work out total cost of ownership, but that's not how leases are advertised.
You don't see mortgages advertised with the monthly figure that includes the deposit do you?
anyway..
the point is, not all EVs are expensive. Same as ICE, low spec is cheaper, if you want a nicer car with more features then you need to pay more money.
By your logic I could afford a Chiron on £162/month. All I need to do is stump up a £2m or whatever deposit.
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Your mortgage analogy is a terrible example, mortgages are expressed as a rate of interest over a given period and they are all stated with 5/10/15/20% etc. deposit. Totally different proposition to this.
By your logic I could afford a Chiron on £162/month. All I need to do is stump up a £2m or whatever deposit.
Reductio ad absurdum signals the end of our conversation. Thanks for taking part.By your logic I could afford a Chiron on £162/month. All I need to do is stump up a £2m or whatever deposit.
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Your mortgage analogy is a terrible example, mortgages are expressed as a rate of interest over a given period and they are all stated with 5/10/15/20% etc. deposit. Totally different proposition to this.
By your logic I could afford a Chiron on £162/month. All I need to do is stump up a £2m or whatever deposit.
Reductio ad absurdum signals the end of our conversation. Thanks for taking part.By your logic I could afford a Chiron on £162/month. All I need to do is stump up a £2m or whatever deposit.
PhantomPH said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Your mortgage analogy is a terrible example, mortgages are expressed as a rate of interest over a given period and they are all stated with 5/10/15/20% etc. deposit. Totally different proposition to this.
By your logic I could afford a Chiron on £162/month. All I need to do is stump up a £2m or whatever deposit.
Reductio ad absurdum signals the end of our conversation. Thanks for taking part.By your logic I could afford a Chiron on £162/month. All I need to do is stump up a £2m or whatever deposit.
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