RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance

RE: Tesla confirms Model S Plaid performance

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Pixelpeep Z4

6,913 posts

110 months

Friday 11th June
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Kavsie said:
Bit of a pointless comment when you are talking about hypercars that are out of reach to many and all have running costs that the Tesla will not come close to, and will all sit in garages not being used. The monaro again very few people are going to be rushing to buy because of running costs.

Instead you are going to have a bunch of people financing these things to high heaven who will then want to show off to their mates and loose control at stupid speeds on public roads. Yes people do this in other cars, but not at anything like the speed this will achieve in such a short period of time.

Key examples are the number of people using autopilot and have had accidents.
Ok,

So if they can get cleared for £115k worth of finance on a model S Plaid, they could also get a MCLAREN 570GT (https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11681638) right?

People buying cars and running out of talent is not a new thing!


otolith

45,081 posts

172 months

Friday 11th June
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Jon_S_Rally said:
otolith said:
Why do you feel the need to point this out about the Tesla and Rimac, but not the M5 or Corvette?
I've said it about plenty of ICE cars. I got rid of my Golf R and replaced it with a Megane 265 for the same reason. It's not an issue exclusive to EVs, but it is a bigger issue with them in some respects, because they have lost an important dimension (in my view) by losing the IC engine.
It's important or it isn't. They're pointlessly fast or they're not.

I bet that if EVs were still slower than ICEs they would be being battered with that stick and called "milkfloats".

You said this about a large automatic saloon which hits 60 in 3 seconds.

Jon_S_Rally said:
I'm a bit torn on this one. The price is obscene, and I really don't understand why a track-focused M5 would make sense to anyone (apart from a 'ring taxi company) but, at the same time, it's hard not to like it in a way. It's totally ridiculous, so it deserves applause for that, especially when cars are becoming increasingly sanitised.

Sadly, as the article says, I suspect it's come along so soon into the current M5's lifecycle because, in a few years, such cars are going to be increasingly frowned upon. It definitely feels like the end is in sight for this sort of thing, which is a real shame.

Schmed

2,522 posts

40 months

Friday 11th June
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Great acceleration, but what does using it actually do to the alleged '390 mile' range ??

In fact what does a 390 mile range really mean driving normally, in winter cold, wind, rain, or with the AC on full blast, at high speed and on the motorway ?

You're not going to run it down much below 20% either, and shouldn't regularly charge it above 80 % ?

The tech is great, but this is simply not perfected yet. Give them five years for solid state or hydrogen and maybe I'd consider one day to day. ICE for the weekends though.

What irks is the government intervention in the form of massive tax subsidies. If the product really is superior then let the market decide, most consumers would need little encouragement if it really is better and the price comes down...


Kavsie

8 posts

23 months

Friday 11th June
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Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Ok,

So if they can get cleared for £115k worth of finance on a model S Plaid, they could also get a MCLAREN 570GT (https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11681638) right?

People buying cars and running out of talent is not a new thing!
You've gone from hypercars to a used Mclaren which again is going to be very high running costs. I very much doubt someone considering a brand new Tesla with a new car warranty is going to be looking at an out of warranty 4 year old Mclaren.

And again very true, but that's the point those same people are now going to be doing it in a 1000hp plus car that

F20CN16

8,792 posts

166 months

Friday 11th June
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Schmed said:
Great acceleration, but what does using it actually do to the alleged '390 mile' range ??

In fact what does a 390 mile range really mean driving normally, in winter cold, wind, rain, or with the AC on full blast, at high speed and on the motorway ?

You're not going to run it down much below 20% either, and shouldn't regularly charge it above 80 % ?

The tech is great, but this is simply not perfected yet. Give them five years for solid state or hydrogen and maybe I'd consider one day to day. ICE for the weekends though.
Sorry to pick on you but this comment shows there's a long way to go to educate the public on how to use an electric car. You ask some questions, then conclude it's no good without hearing the answers.

You can quite happily run it down to single digit % and charge it to 100%, over and over.

JD

2,171 posts

196 months

Friday 11th June
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That's quite the shove in the back.

PhantomPH

3,919 posts

193 months

Friday 11th June
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This thread has made me do nothing other than question motoring terminology in the modern space.

What makes a 'hypercar' a hypercar? I know we can't all agree on 'supercar' classification, but if it's all about big power figures and crazy acceleration and speed, is this S a hypercar? Or does it also need to cost £1mil+? In which case if Tesla literally put out a special edition with stripes and a £1m price tag, would it then be a 'hypercar'?

I propose 'Hyper-EV'. But even then, I am not sure the S should fit into that category. It's just a silly-fast saloon car.

So, I propose (poll time!):

Cars with sporting intentions (Lotus (future and Evija), Porsche etc (future), Rimac, etc)
1. Sports-EV
2. Supersports-EV
3. Hypersports-EV

and in parallel for saloons, hatches and SUVs:

1. EV
2. Super-EV
3. Hyper-EV

(It's Friday afternoon and this has been a stty week - don't judge me for clearly losing my mind)

Dave Hedgehog

13,495 posts

172 months

Friday 11th June
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nunpuncher said:
1,020hp
0-60 in 1.99 seconds
top speed of 200mph

Incredible figures. I do wonder if we are close to the point where someone with a hard hat and a clipboard will step in and say "that's just too much".
no need enforced GPS based speed limiting is coming

Pixelpeep Z4

6,913 posts

110 months

Friday 11th June
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Kavsie said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Ok,

So if they can get cleared for £115k worth of finance on a model S Plaid, they could also get a MCLAREN 570GT (https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11681638) right?

People buying cars and running out of talent is not a new thing!
You've gone from hypercars to a used Mclaren which again is going to be very high running costs. I very much doubt someone considering a brand new Tesla with a new car warranty is going to be looking at an out of warranty 4 year old Mclaren.

And again very true, but that's the point those same people are now going to be doing it in a 1000hp plus car that
Let me see if i can dumb it down further without anything else to confuse you.

IDIOTS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO MONEY CAN BUY POWERFUL CARS AND CRASH.

THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME. BEFORE TESLA AND BEFORE ELECTRIC CARS.









Max_Torque

16,927 posts

185 months

Friday 11th June
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tigger1 said:
Nissan Leaf is around 6.5 seconds to 60/62mph
Only if you push it off a cliff!!



PhantomPH

3,919 posts

193 months

Friday 11th June
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Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Kavsie said:
Pixelpeep Z4 said:
Ok,

So if they can get cleared for £115k worth of finance on a model S Plaid, they could also get a MCLAREN 570GT (https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/11681638) right?

People buying cars and running out of talent is not a new thing!
You've gone from hypercars to a used Mclaren which again is going to be very high running costs. I very much doubt someone considering a brand new Tesla with a new car warranty is going to be looking at an out of warranty 4 year old Mclaren.

And again very true, but that's the point those same people are now going to be doing it in a 1000hp plus car that
Let me see if i can dumb it down further without anything else to confuse you.

IDIOTS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO MONEY CAN BUY POWERFUL CARS AND CRASH.

THIS HAS BEEN HAPPENING FOR A LONG TIME. BEFORE TESLA AND BEFORE ELECTRIC CARS.
Quoted because even chimps have shown the ability to learn from repetition. winkbiggrin

john41901

178 posts

34 months

Friday 11th June
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F20CN16 said:
there's a long way to go to educate the public on how to use an electric car.
Range IS an issue. Charging network IS an issue (although Tesla's is one of the best). Charging time IS an issue. Reading around the EV threads of real owner commentary about range in bad weather or on the motorway shows the technology simply just isn't there yet.

aparna

561 posts

5 months

Friday 11th June
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The steering wheel reminds me of drop bars on a bike. Looks potentially useful as alternative position to hold for long periods, without actually turning the wheel much. Perhaps not so good for driving?


monthefish

19,909 posts

199 months

Friday 11th June
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the article said:
Last year a sub-two-second 0-60mph time was promised; now that's been confirmed as 1.99 seconds, with a stunning quarter mile time of 9.23 seconds also claimed. That'll most likely be with the odd US method including roll out
confused

Can someone explain?

F20CN16

8,792 posts

166 months

Friday 11th June
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john41901 said:
Range IS an issue. Charging network IS an issue (although Tesla's is one of the best). Charging time IS an issue. Reading around the EV threads of real owner commentary about range in bad weather or on the motorway shows the technology simply just isn't there yet.
As ever, “there” is based on expectations. Who sets the bar? Is everything failure until you can charge for 500 miles of range in the time it takes for 50 litres of petrol/diesel to flow? For me we are there. I watched a carwow video earlier with a model S and etron GT. They did 500 miles at motorway speed with an hour charging each. That’s close to the normal kind of stoppage time to have some food and refresh for a 7-8 hour drive.

Edit to add: At one point in the video, the e-tron is charged from basically empty to 56% in such a small amount of time that the bloke is out of breath from running to the toilet and back (for a pee). It was charging at 250kW so he ran to use the loo as HE was now slowing the total journey time, not the charger.

Edited by F20CN16 on Friday 11th June 16:16

Leon R

1,692 posts

64 months

Friday 11th June
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monthefish said:
the article said:
Last year a sub-two-second 0-60mph time was promised; now that's been confirmed as 1.99 seconds, with a stunning quarter mile time of 9.23 seconds also claimed. That'll most likely be with the odd US method including roll out
confused

Can someone explain?
The yanks allow a 1 foot roll out when timing these things.

F20CN16

8,792 posts

166 months

Friday 11th June
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Leon R said:
monthefish said:
the article said:
Last year a sub-two-second 0-60mph time was promised; now that's been confirmed as 1.99 seconds, with a stunning quarter mile time of 9.23 seconds also claimed. That'll most likely be with the odd US method including roll out
confused

Can someone explain?
The yanks allow a 1 foot roll out when timing these things.
To add:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rollout_(drag_raci...

monthefish

19,909 posts

199 months

Friday 11th June
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Gecko1978

5,271 posts

125 months

Friday 11th June
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Vee12V said:
Of all the crazy numbers I find the top speed the most impressive. Now imagine that powertrain in a smaller/lighter car.
It can't be as the power train is the weight. Less weight is less battery power as such

Bracken

43 posts

206 months

Friday 11th June
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A lad I knew bought a Nissan GTR a few years back, gave himself a sore neck from launching it so many times in the first weekend vomit, then got bored and sold it after a few months. He bought a Caterham and a Ford Ranger instead

So, in reality, I think someone will buy one, spend the first weekend taking their mates out and launching it from a standing start until they all feel sick, then just drive it normally for the rest of their lease deal.


Edited by Bracken on Friday 11th June 16:25