Tyres - How important are they to you
Discussion
s m said:
aka_kerrly said:
Haha.
Everyone should read the ADAC tests on AutoBild for proper testing with numerical values as well as subjective handling feel/tyre behaviour comments to.
The difference between the good and the bad especially in wet braking tests can be staggering even at 50mph... If people considered the 10-25m difference in terms of car lengths it's easier to appreciate how on one set of tyres you would have stopped, where as on s
t tyres you'd have 3-4 car lengths more stopping distance which is very likely the difference between smashing into the back of someone and not.
I do read a lot of those tests and it’s always interesting how often the test results conflict with peoples experience on threads like these with regards to tyre makes and types Everyone should read the ADAC tests on AutoBild for proper testing with numerical values as well as subjective handling feel/tyre behaviour comments to.
The difference between the good and the bad especially in wet braking tests can be staggering even at 50mph... If people considered the 10-25m difference in terms of car lengths it's easier to appreciate how on one set of tyres you would have stopped, where as on s
t tyres you'd have 3-4 car lengths more stopping distance which is very likely the difference between smashing into the back of someone and not.I find it a bit strange when people rave about them on things like TVRs with double the power as I found the Toyo could easily come unstuck as soon as there was even mild signs of moisture with just 150hp
Pica-Pica said:
Sn1ckers said:
Pica-Pica said:
HustleRussell said:
Pica-Pica said:
A nine year car with no ABS. Explain.
Where did you get nine years old from? Explain. I had some Pirelli’s on my Golf. Good reviews but had to be replaced within a year. I don’t do mega miles either (15,000 a year since getting the car).
Now got Nexen (I think). Going well. Feel good. Handle well when pushing on. Plus I got them silly cheap (two tyres and brakes for £156) through a friend of a friend.
I’ll be getting them again. I don’t think they are a premium tyre but I get on with them.
On my bike I had Bridgestones when I got it. Hated them. Changed to Pirelli’s and loved them.
Now got Nexen (I think). Going well. Feel good. Handle well when pushing on. Plus I got them silly cheap (two tyres and brakes for £156) through a friend of a friend.
I’ll be getting them again. I don’t think they are a premium tyre but I get on with them.
On my bike I had Bridgestones when I got it. Hated them. Changed to Pirelli’s and loved them.
MGirl said:
sticks090460 said:
1. Premium
2. My life is worth more than the saving of buying cheap tyres. To me, at least.
3. Don’t care.
Yup! This. 2. My life is worth more than the saving of buying cheap tyres. To me, at least.
3. Don’t care.
What I never get is people buying ‘performance’ vehicles and then putting on the cheapest tyres and brakes. Whilst I understand people have a budget to stick to, if you can’t keep it as safe and road worthy as possible you should sell it and buy something you can afford.
Has anyone stuck their neck out to define terms in this conversation yet? What are the "budget" brands because it seems to be several shades of marketing goin on and several of the, what used to be budget brands, such as Toyo, Hankook and Kumho now sell tyres that cost the same as some Michelins and other brands that are marketed quite heavily at the higher end of the market such as Avon, GT Radial and Dunlop very rarely get tested or talked about in the review of premium brands...
I think we all agree some tyres are st but there is so many brands and tyres out there, presumably a lot sharing manufacturing and R&D facilities, I don't see how consumers can be all that well informed.
I think we all agree some tyres are s
t but there is so many brands and tyres out there, presumably a lot sharing manufacturing and R&D facilities, I don't see how consumers can be all that well informed. 1. I buy the best tyres in the wet that I can find. Go to Blackcircles or similar website and choose an 'A' rated tyre. https://www.blackcircles.com/order/tyres/search?wi...
2. Why? Because the way a tyre peforms in the wet is very imortant. Price? May, or may not come into it. Just because it's expensive it doesn't mean it grips well in the wet.
3. No, not necessarily.
2. Why? Because the way a tyre peforms in the wet is very imortant. Price? May, or may not come into it. Just because it's expensive it doesn't mean it grips well in the wet.
3. No, not necessarily.
aka_kerrly said:
s m said:
aka_kerrly said:
Haha.
Everyone should read the ADAC tests on AutoBild for proper testing with numerical values as well as subjective handling feel/tyre behaviour comments to.
The difference between the good and the bad especially in wet braking tests can be staggering even at 50mph... If people considered the 10-25m difference in terms of car lengths it's easier to appreciate how on one set of tyres you would have stopped, where as on st tyres you'd have 3-4 car lengths more stopping distance which is very likely the difference between smashing into the back of someone and not.
I do read a lot of those tests and it’s always interesting how often the test results conflict with peoples experience on threads like these with regards to tyre makes and types Everyone should read the ADAC tests on AutoBild for proper testing with numerical values as well as subjective handling feel/tyre behaviour comments to.
The difference between the good and the bad especially in wet braking tests can be staggering even at 50mph... If people considered the 10-25m difference in terms of car lengths it's easier to appreciate how on one set of tyres you would have stopped, where as on s
t tyres you'd have 3-4 car lengths more stopping distance which is very likely the difference between smashing into the back of someone and not.I find it a bit strange when people rave about them on things like TVRs with double the power as I found the Toyo could easily come unstuck as soon as there was even mild signs of moisture with just 150hp
I’ve used Toyos T1r a few times and each time I thought they were utter gash
Volvolover said:
aka_kerrly said:
s m said:
aka_kerrly said:
Haha.
Everyone should read the ADAC tests on AutoBild for proper testing with numerical values as well as subjective handling feel/tyre behaviour comments to.
The difference between the good and the bad especially in wet braking tests can be staggering even at 50mph... If people considered the 10-25m difference in terms of car lengths it's easier to appreciate how on one set of tyres you would have stopped, where as on st tyres you'd have 3-4 car lengths more stopping distance which is very likely the difference between smashing into the back of someone and not.
I do read a lot of those tests and it’s always interesting how often the test results conflict with peoples experience on threads like these with regards to tyre makes and types Everyone should read the ADAC tests on AutoBild for proper testing with numerical values as well as subjective handling feel/tyre behaviour comments to.
The difference between the good and the bad especially in wet braking tests can be staggering even at 50mph... If people considered the 10-25m difference in terms of car lengths it's easier to appreciate how on one set of tyres you would have stopped, where as on s
t tyres you'd have 3-4 car lengths more stopping distance which is very likely the difference between smashing into the back of someone and not.I find it a bit strange when people rave about them on things like TVRs with double the power as I found the Toyo could easily come unstuck as soon as there was even mild signs of moisture with just 150hp
I’ve used Toyos T1r a few times and each time I thought they were utter gash
The Mad Monk said:
1. I buy the best tyres in the wet that I can find. Go to Blackcircles or similar website and choose an 'A' rated tyre. https://www.blackcircles.com/order/tyres/search?wi...
That's a great rationale but I am not convinced the wet rating is an indication of how good a tyre is in the wet as the tests are not normalised AFAIK. Each manufacturer have their own testing protocol which kind of defeats the object. 1) Premium, always
2) generally better grip, traction, consistency etc. Why would anyone accept inferiority in something so important?!
I would, however, add that a premium tire still requires some consideration and research. I learned this when putting 4 new Pirelli P6000s on my mk2 Golf gti 20 odd years ago and have never before or since experienced such levels of chronic understeer following by lurid oversteer when pushing on.
I’ve also found that some tires don’t seem to really suit the car they’ve been fitted to, or perhaps even suit my preferences for feel, breakaway etc, so sometimes a bit of experience is a valuable thing.
3) it used to be well know that Michelin (generally my go to brand) gave superior mileage. Don’t know if that’s true anymore. Whilst I wouldn’t purposefully seek out something focusing on longevity, I would probably avoid a road tire with exceptionally short tire life.
2) generally better grip, traction, consistency etc. Why would anyone accept inferiority in something so important?!
I would, however, add that a premium tire still requires some consideration and research. I learned this when putting 4 new Pirelli P6000s on my mk2 Golf gti 20 odd years ago and have never before or since experienced such levels of chronic understeer following by lurid oversteer when pushing on.
I’ve also found that some tires don’t seem to really suit the car they’ve been fitted to, or perhaps even suit my preferences for feel, breakaway etc, so sometimes a bit of experience is a valuable thing.
3) it used to be well know that Michelin (generally my go to brand) gave superior mileage. Don’t know if that’s true anymore. Whilst I wouldn’t purposefully seek out something focusing on longevity, I would probably avoid a road tire with exceptionally short tire life.
aka_kerrly said:
That is a fair point , the Toyo T1r is one of those tyres, I used to regularly buy them in 195/50/15 for MK2 Golfs and they were ok for £30 a corner compared to £75 for a Goodyear eagle F1.
I'm always baffled by wheel and tyre talk on the TVR forums here, as favourites seem to be cheap copies of other wheels (e.g. Bola) and ancient copies of old tyres (e.g. Toyo T1R copying 10 generation old Eagle F1 GSD2).JKS1234 said:
.....Tyres ... what significance do you give to tyres such as.....
1. Do you always buy premium or do you prefer budget ?
2. What is your reasoning for this?
3. do you believe the premium tyres last longer and save more in MPG
1. Yes, always try to buy premium (subject to availability and necessity).1. Do you always buy premium or do you prefer budget ?
2. What is your reasoning for this?
3. do you believe the premium tyres last longer and save more in MPG
2. They generally are less likely to let you down when you most need the grip.
3. No, it depends on the rubber compound.
1. Do you always buy premium or do you prefer budget ?
Premium, no exceptions. I’ve got a £600 panda with £400 tyres.
2. What is your reasoning for this?
Stopping distance, safety, driving feel, peace of mind.
3. do you believe the premium tyres last longer and save more in MPG
Could not give a fk.
Premium, no exceptions. I’ve got a £600 panda with £400 tyres.
2. What is your reasoning for this?
Stopping distance, safety, driving feel, peace of mind.
3. do you believe the premium tyres last longer and save more in MPG
Could not give a f
k. First started driving max power days... put Yokohama A520 on a 1988 audi 80 because they were hyped! It was a 1.8 Petrol....
Later in life was ok with part worns for a while...
Older now with a 350bhp daily driver so quality and new only.
Reason is safety is most important to me, so a recognised brand with some good reviews.
If I had a newish special kinda motor I would go with the recommended tyres for that car for sure
Later in life was ok with part worns for a while...
Older now with a 350bhp daily driver so quality and new only.
Reason is safety is most important to me, so a recognised brand with some good reviews.
If I had a newish special kinda motor I would go with the recommended tyres for that car for sure
Olivera said:
aka_kerrly said:
That is a fair point , the Toyo T1r is one of those tyres, I used to regularly buy them in 195/50/15 for MK2 Golfs and they were ok for £30 a corner compared to £75 for a Goodyear eagle F1.
I'm always baffled by wheel and tyre talk on the TVR forums here, as favourites seem to be cheap copies of other wheels (e.g. Bola) and ancient copies of old tyres (e.g. Toyo T1R copying 10 generation old Eagle F1 GSD2).Apart from when I started driving in the late 80’s and was always very skint I’ve always bought mid range tyres such as Avon’s. I would never buy budgets, the difference in price really isn’t worth the savings. I’m currently running maxxis which have been pretty good to be fair but the fronts have started cracking after about 3.5 years. They aren’t completely worn out but I’m going to change them. I really want to see what all the fuss is about with premium tyres so I’m going premium soon, just can’t decide between asymmetric 5’s or pilot sport 4’s but I’ll be buying one of these brands next.
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