RE: Neverending two-car story | PH Footnote

RE: Neverending two-car story | PH Footnote

Saturday 12th June 2021

Neverending two-car story | PH Footnote

Dan is blissfully happy with his Alpine A110. But he could always be happier...



A few months ago I arrived at a job in my own car while a colleague turned up in a new Land Rover Defender. It was a 90 with white steelies. I stepped back and thought, 'there it is, the perfect two-car garage.' You could have the pair for less than £100,000.

Between them the Alpine and Land Rover would cover an enormous number of bases, which for a lot of people is what this fantasy two-car thing is all about. In the A110 you'd have a fun little sports car for weekends and trackdays, and in the Land Rover a more robust machine for daily use, winter weather and family duties. Although in that latter regard, the Defender 110 would probably be the one to have, given it actually has a usable boot.

But now I'm not so sure, and for two reasons. The first is that it would be unthinkable to me to own two cars and not have a single manual transmission among them. An exclusively automatic brace of cars? Never. I'd forget how to change gear myself. The second is that ticking as many usage boxes as possible actually isn't the point of the two-car garage game, at least not as far as I'm concerned. I'm not looking for the perfect counterpoint to my A110, but the car that compliments it better than any other.


Clearly, though, it does need to be more usable than a tiny two-seat French sports car with less storage space than a large handbag. It also needs to have a manual gearbox, which rules out all modern SUVs, most estates and a huge number of saloons. In fact, of the cars still in production today, that one requisite leaves me choosing from a bunch of hatchbacks, some smaller saloons and estates, plus a handful of sporting cars like the forthcoming Toyota GR 86 or the BMW M2 Competition that aren't quite different enough in concept to the A110 to win a place in my garage.

More than anything, this game highlights just what a pity it is that the Alpine isn't offered with a stick and a third pedal. If it was, I'd sling a Defender in the shed alongside it and be thrilled with my line up. As it is, I find myself having to get creative. And does that means disregarding new cars altogether and just looking at older stuff?

The one that first came to mind was the Audi RS2 Avant. I spent a few days in an RS2 last year and though I recognised its dynamic shortcomings (really fling it at a road and it will eventually cry enough as it runs out of body control, rear end grip or both at once), I enjoyed its warbling five-pot engine and slick manual 'box, and I liked that to make it move along a road at any meaningful rate you actually had to work quite hard behind the wheel. But I'm not sure an increasingly valuable 26-year-old car would be terribly well suited to the daily duties I have in mind for it.


The longer I thought about this little quandary, the clearer it became to me that my second car shouldn't be too special. Seems an odd thing even to write, let alone to read. It mustn't overshadow the A110 entirely, making that car feel unremarkable. Remember, I'm looking for a car the compliments my Alpine, not one that makes it completely redundant. So out go all Porsche 911s ever constructed, a whole raft of BMW M-cars and Mercedes-AMGs, plus any supercar you care to mention.

It's a very particular set of attributes that I'm hunting for. This second car must be fun, reasonably practical, modern enough that I'd never worry about it letting me down or suddenly becoming so valuable that I wouldn't want to use it, and not so exotic that it makes my A110 seem dull. And don't forget the manual gearbox. I'm looking for a hot hatch, aren't I?

It may well be that there is no car that better compliments mine than a VW Golf GTI. My favourite of the lot is the Mk5 - classy, quick enough, great to drive and effortlessly practical. But I'm afraid I just can't bear to be so predictable, so I'm going elsewhere. Not to Honda, or Seat, or Renault Sport, but to Ford.


No, not a Focus RS, nor even a Focus ST. The Ford hot hatch I most long to own is a Fiesta ST. The current version in Edition guise is one of the most entertaining cars on sale today, but I pine for an older version. It was five years ago almost to the day that I spent eight or nine very happy hours hammering the previous shape Fiesta ST200 up and down the Route Napoleon. I couldn't get over how much fun it was. I wouldn't have enjoyed myself any more in a mid-engined exotic (though I'd certainly have covered more ground).

I thought prices would've dropped further than they have in five years. The cheapest in the PH classifieds is up for just under £15,000, but I reckon it's well worth it. Apart from being a total blast to fling along a good road, the ST200 also has rear seats, a reasonable boot and the manual gearbox I crave. And it is that very particular set of attributes that means the little Ford would sit alongside my A110 very happily indeed, never overshadowing it, but also not seeming like the short straw on those occasions when a little more practicality was needed.


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Mannginger

Original Poster:

9,061 posts

257 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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I reckon I've got this brief fairly well nailed down!


Billy_Whizzzz

2,007 posts

143 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Boxster Spyder and 110 works for me


hufggfg

654 posts

193 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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While I really quite like the A110 and entirely understand the decision not to make it with a manual (albeit the lack of manual is a large part of the reason I don’t own own) this article really just shows me the Alpine doesn’t need a space in the two-car garage.

I think it actually makes more sense as a single car garage (assuming you can deal with the practicality for it), but as soon as you move to a 2-car garage, you would have a daily as the “other” car, and so your “fun” car needs to be that much more special. Enter the Lotus Elise.

Pair that with the Defender and you have a mighty 2-car garage.

That said, personally I’d rather a fast estate than a 4x4. So I’d pair an Elise with a Merc E63S estate (if we’re allowed to go second hand to get under the 100k smile).

Bill

52,747 posts

255 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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hufggfg said:
While I really quite like the A110 and entirely understand the decision not to make it with a manual (albeit the lack of manual is a large part of the reason I don’t own own) this article really just shows me the Alpine doesn’t need a space in the two-car garage.

I think it actually makes more sense as a single car garage (assuming you can deal with the practicality for it), but as soon as you move to a 2-car garage, you would have a daily as the “other” car, and so your “fun” car needs to be that much more special. Enter the Lotus Elise.

Pair that with the Defender and you have a mighty 2-car garage.

That said, personally I’d rather a fast estate than a 4x4. So I’d pair an Elise with a Merc E63S estate (if we’re allowed to go second hand to get under the 100k smile).
yes Surely the fun car needs the manual.

milu

2,353 posts

266 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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I’ve gone comfy armchair and noisy 2 seater


Sion111R

311 posts

92 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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NA screamer and an Elise.
(And in the spirit of openness and honesty, a 2005 CLS auto for the longer journeys).

pycraft

778 posts

184 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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"I'm not looking for the perfect counterpoint to my A110, but the car that compliments it better than any other."

You're looking for a car that says nice things about the A110? Or perhaps you mean complement.

cerb4.5lee

30,560 posts

180 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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I'm happy with my 370Z Roadster(manual) and F82 M4 Coupe(DCT). The M4 is fairly practical and being a DCT it is easy to drive in heavy traffic etc. Whereas the 370Z is nice because the roof comes off, and it only has 2 seats and it comes with the all important manual gearbox for me.

The Alpine A110 is an odd car in my eyes because it has been built to be very usable as a daily(DCT/a comfortable ride/etc), but you can't get it with the option of the roof down or a manual gearbox, which in my eyes are two really important things for an occasional(2nd) car.


Sporky

6,230 posts

64 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Mannginger said:
I reckon I've got this brief fairly well nailed down!
Likewise, though mine happen to both be autos. The Alpine is the daily, the Golf is the weekend dog bus, or for places the A110 can't go.





Edited by Sporky on Saturday 12th June 08:31

Mr E

21,616 posts

259 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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One of these cars will get to 60 in under 6 seconds.
One of these cars will carry the entire family and all their stuff for hours at a time in complete comfort.

The other one is an elise.

mcmigo

122 posts

153 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Had the Land Rover ( discovery ) and alpine a110 combo for a while, and on top a MM 7.5 GTI PP as well - those three were a near perfect combo . Ultimately the Land Rover gave me too many headaches reliability wise and was a bit big for what we needed. So earlier this year doubled down on French and quirky , got rid of the lane rover and replaced with a DS7 in the silly top Louvre spec, complete with art podcasts and free entry to the Louvre museum.

I have seen more a110’s on the road than DS7’s, albeit now kicking myself that I didn’t hold on for the even rarer and probably better new Ds 9.


shambolic

2,146 posts

167 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Old CRV for the dogs etc and New SLC for nice days out. (Van for work)

Oldwolf

932 posts

193 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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My 2 car garage for a number of years has been....





For me they take some beating without having a much larger budget.

Although I now have a 3 car garage which is even better! (Credit for pic goes to Fernhurst TVR - I haven't taken any of my own pics as I can't stop driving it)


tertius

6,856 posts

230 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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I have a 1M and a Mini Countryman Cooper S ... quite a good pairing though both are manual and I keep considering changing the Countryman for a newer Clubman for no good reason at all as the Countryman is actually terrific.

AC43

11,484 posts

208 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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E500 for driving through France.

Fiat 500 for driving through London.




NigelCayless

202 posts

155 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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So, are you going to the tip in the Alpine or the Fiesta?

Xfe

257 posts

76 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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I always brainstorm this by listing the characteristics I want in my 2/3/X number of cars and trying different combinations of cars that tick every box between them. E.g.

Manual
Naturally aspirated
Lightweight
Track-able
Sounds good
Carries 4 people in comfort
Can take the dog
etc

doogle83

758 posts

147 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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NigelCayless said:
So, are you going to the tip in the Alpine or the Fiesta?
That, and kids in the equation changes things too!

I have a 987 Cayman, 2.9 manual and I'm currently in the market for an Octavia VRS estate, DSG to go alongside it...

Fun car will remain special, daily / commuter / family wagon will do the rest but with enough fun to not be boring and a massive boot for when I need it biggrin

(If only there were more used cars on the market to choose from at the moment!)

gred

450 posts

169 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Predictable, but effective

V8 FOU

2,974 posts

147 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Porsche Cayenne V8 for comfort and towing duties. Alfa 147 2.0 for thrashing and more economical long haul. 2CV van for local and practical stuff. Westfield for usual stuff. Bentley turbo R for track day use. Couple of bikes. Honda XL600 and Buell S2.
Got is nailed? No. Still want other/different stuff!!