RE: Cayman GT4 PDK vs. A110 Legende GT vs. Huracan RWD
Discussion
av185 said:
Clearly no one in their right mind would buy this basic Lambo over a limited run more focussed Performante.
So as the 110 is an instant rejection for various reasons not least its ridiculously awkward looks, its another clear win for the GT4.
But in manual form as there is far greater interaction and the gear ratios are very similar too.
Not true...the Performance is 4WD, and this is err, RWD, with basically same engine, and all of the good bits from Perf.So as the 110 is an instant rejection for various reasons not least its ridiculously awkward looks, its another clear win for the GT4.
But in manual form as there is far greater interaction and the gear ratios are very similar too.
It's better to drive as the steering is less corrupted, and therefore more focused imo.
A110 is the most useable on the road for many reasons, and the gearbox is much better suited to interaction than the Porsche one, not just because of ratios, but that is a big part of it.
Porsche has its strengths, but it is literally the only one of the three I wouldn't buy.
I can't help but think the GTS 4.0 would have come out better in such a road biased test than the GT4.Would have also squared up directly to the A110.
If this was just about the drive and not the money and practicality, I struggle to see how anyone could ever choose anything but the Lambo.
Having just been in a predicament wanting a smaller mid-engined 'practical' daily I have had to make a choice in this sector (surprisingly the Lambo wasn't in my horizon). I thought the GT4 was just on the wrong side of everyday comfort and the Alpine just doesn't have the engine or in places the finish quality. I opted for a GTS 4.0 in the end- Better ride quality than a GT4, all the engine drama, more practical and better screwed together than the Alpine.
If this was just about the drive and not the money and practicality, I struggle to see how anyone could ever choose anything but the Lambo.
Having just been in a predicament wanting a smaller mid-engined 'practical' daily I have had to make a choice in this sector (surprisingly the Lambo wasn't in my horizon). I thought the GT4 was just on the wrong side of everyday comfort and the Alpine just doesn't have the engine or in places the finish quality. I opted for a GTS 4.0 in the end- Better ride quality than a GT4, all the engine drama, more practical and better screwed together than the Alpine.
Newton472 said:
I think a lot of the interior parts are shared - switchgear, storks, etc. The Alpine interior is not really in the same class.
You are incorrect.The stereo controller to the right of the wheel is shared with another Renault product. The stalks are shared as well.
Everything else is bespoke to the Alpine.
john41901 said:
Yet another fawning A110 article on PH... What a shocker, it’s almost as if a PH staff writer had one to sell!Other cars massively outclass that rebranded Clio, which clearly has no business even being in this test. May as well have included a Clio 182, at least that would’ve given an interesting comparison having just read the excellent NC500 article.
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
It's a strange car the Alpine. From what I've read, it has not exactly been a sales success, but residuals are rock hard.
Doesn't make sense.
It was never intended to sell in huge numbers in the UKDoesn't make sense.
It doesn’t appeal to the masses - only enthusiasts have heard of it.
There are hardly any dealerships so this feeds the above issue.
Those who have one realise it offers everything it promised and nothing else in the marketplace at the same price point
Is quite as good at doing what the alpine does. Thus they keep hold of the car and the supply to the market remains limited. Many/most of those on auto trader are for order slots.
Quite a few owners are interested in the new Lotus and so it will be interesting to see what effect that has on values.
The thing about the GT4 is the image. It is a bit too try hard and comes across as something where the owner wants to look cool but it is anything but. The Alpine doesn't look cool but many owners probably choose it for that reason. The Lambo will likely be owned by someone who doesn't care what you think. I'd love to drive the Lambo but I wouldn't want to own one.
For a day to day proposition most should (note, not would) probably choose the Alpine even if the engine isn't the strong suit. The other two will just be ridiculous for most people with regular jobs. Anything that has excessive aero body parts cannot seriously be considered a daily for most of us.
Funny how time and time again almost every review rates the Alpine above the competition and time and time again we see the same comments here.
For a day to day proposition most should (note, not would) probably choose the Alpine even if the engine isn't the strong suit. The other two will just be ridiculous for most people with regular jobs. Anything that has excessive aero body parts cannot seriously be considered a daily for most of us.
Funny how time and time again almost every review rates the Alpine above the competition and time and time again we see the same comments here.
Edited by Prestonese on Saturday 19th June 21:00
Edited by Prestonese on Saturday 19th June 21:01
Prestonese said:
The thing about the GT4 is the image. It is a bit too try hard and comes across as something where the owner wants to look cool but it is anything but.
This is one of the reasons i chose a GTS 4.0. No stickers, model designation delete, keep it low key. The GTS 4.0 is almost always overlooked for the GT4 in reviews and comparisons, despite being a better proposition for regular road use. That makes it a more attractive proposition to me.Prestonese said:
The thing about the GT4 is the image. It is a bit too try hard and comes across as something where the owner wants to look cool but it is anything but. The Alpine doesn't look cool but many owners probably choose it for that reason. The Lambo will likely be owned by someone who doesn't care what you think. I'd love to drive the Lambo but I wouldn't want to own one.
For a day to day proposition most should (note, not would) probably choose the Alpine even if the engine isn't the strong suit. The other two will just be ridiculous for most people with regular jobs. Anything that has excessive aero body parts cannot seriously be considered a daily for most of us.
Funny how time and time again almost every review rates the Alpine above the competition and time and time again we see the same comments here.
Agree. GT4 sounds great but in reality I found it a frustrating ball ache to actually use.For a day to day proposition most should (note, not would) probably choose the Alpine even if the engine isn't the strong suit. The other two will just be ridiculous for most people with regular jobs. Anything that has excessive aero body parts cannot seriously be considered a daily for most of us.
Funny how time and time again almost every review rates the Alpine above the competition and time and time again we see the same comments here.
Edited by Prestonese on Saturday 19th June 21:00
Edited by Prestonese on Saturday 19th June 21:01
chelme said:
I sense the Alpine would be the best of the bunch on these roads.
The other two are way too powerful for the road and the Porsche with its long gearing would be frustrating too.
Then you have the perfectly set up, supple and playful nature of the Alpine chassis... the only misgiving is the lack of a manual.
Oh and aesthetically, the Alpine does look a lot better in the metal, than in photos.
Agreed, would love to drive all 3 but that Lambo screams prison sentence if used anywhere near its potential over hereThe other two are way too powerful for the road and the Porsche with its long gearing would be frustrating too.
Then you have the perfectly set up, supple and playful nature of the Alpine chassis... the only misgiving is the lack of a manual.
Oh and aesthetically, the Alpine does look a lot better in the metal, than in photos.
john41901 said:
Yet another fawning A110 article on PH... What a shocker, it’s almost as if a PH staff writer had one to sell!Other cars massively outclass that rebranded Clio, which clearly has no business even being in this test. May as well have included a Clio 182, at least that would’ve given an interesting comparison having just read the excellent NC500 article.
think as the majority of negative comments about the Alpine are about "looks", and not "it's f**king 300kg lighter than a car badged GT4!" tells you a lot about how the UK buys sports cars, and how for the majority - it's image, looks, and what it looks like down the golf club/cars and coffee/gym carpark than how it actually drives.
Magnificent car though the GT4 is, a Lotus-like weight (bit lighter than an Exige in some specs), but with realiability (true!) refinement and value for money (not the GT, clearly) - the one i'd got to every time.
"lacks a manual", says the UK Car enthusiast internet - whilst the UK public continues to select auto over manual for pretty much every car when both are offered alongside each other....
I think it looks great too, but - very colour sensitive. Not good in grey - think the odd few i've seen are blue...
Magnificent car though the GT4 is, a Lotus-like weight (bit lighter than an Exige in some specs), but with realiability (true!) refinement and value for money (not the GT, clearly) - the one i'd got to every time.
"lacks a manual", says the UK Car enthusiast internet - whilst the UK public continues to select auto over manual for pretty much every car when both are offered alongside each other....
I think it looks great too, but - very colour sensitive. Not good in grey - think the odd few i've seen are blue...
biggbn said:
john41901 said:
Yet another fawning A110 article on PH... What a shocker, it’s almost as if a PH staff writer had one to sell!Other cars massively outclass that rebranded Clio, which clearly has no business even being in this test. May as well have included a Clio 182, at least that would’ve given an interesting comparison having just read the excellent NC500 article.
biggbn said:
Rebranded Clio? Care to explain....?
I think they shared a piece or two with a Clio, the usual nonsense. I seem to remember another thread about the Alpine, same statement was made, but they ignored an owner saying most of the "shared parts" actually just looked similar and were not interchangeable. Not that it would bother me in the slightest, even if they did it means it's going to be a cheap easy fix if a switch stops working. There's something about them that appeals to me more than the other two. cidered77 said:
think as the majority of negative comments about the Alpine are about "looks", and not "it's f**king 300kg lighter than a car badged GT4!" tells you a lot about how the UK buys sports cars, and how for the majority - it's image, looks, and what it looks like down the golf club/cars and coffee/gym carpark than how it actually drives.
Magnificent car though the GT4 is, a Lotus-like weight (bit lighter than an Exige in some specs), but with realiability (true!) refinement and value for money (not the GT, clearly) - the one i'd got to every time.
"lacks a manual", says the UK Car enthusiast internet - whilst the UK public continues to select auto over manual for pretty much every car when both are offered alongside each other....
I think it looks great too, but - very colour sensitive. Not good in grey - think the odd few i've seen are blue...
Most people are inclined to judge quickly based on badge, the marketing efforts of the manufacturer and the press, and perceived prestige. Others analyse and knowing what it is substantively, that they value most, choose the car that they think meets their preferences. Magnificent car though the GT4 is, a Lotus-like weight (bit lighter than an Exige in some specs), but with realiability (true!) refinement and value for money (not the GT, clearly) - the one i'd got to every time.
"lacks a manual", says the UK Car enthusiast internet - whilst the UK public continues to select auto over manual for pretty much every car when both are offered alongside each other....
I think it looks great too, but - very colour sensitive. Not good in grey - think the odd few i've seen are blue...
The Alpine definitely looks a lot better in the metal and I recently saw a very well specced car. It was a factory spec; dark metallic purple with brass/bronze wheels in the style we see in the pictures here. A superb looking car in this spec, especially in profile, however I do appreciate that the front of the car could have been better resolved. The angular front lights sit uncomfortably with the circular fog lights and the rounded panels of the bodywork.
Regardless, I would still have one over a GT4, as I value what the Alpine offers as a drivers car on flowing b roads, over what the Porker has to give.
Edited by chelme on Sunday 20th June 14:24
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