RE: Mercedes C63 AMG (W204) | The Brave Pill
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BarcelonaLewis said:
I never thought I'd be saying this, but our next family wagon will most likely be a plug-in. In 5 years time the demand for petrol stations will be significantly lower, and in 10, 15, 20 it'll surely be difficult to fill up - that doesn't seem to be taken into account when people pre-empt future values of cars like this.
I dont think so! the ev infrastructure is light years away and hou will also find ev is not the only answer there is more than a few manufactures not developing any more ev cars and technology further like toyota etc. Hydrogen will be a big player. As for petrol stations in demise i build them for a living and we have never been busier and with a tank life of 30 years they wont be going anywhere over night i can assure you. And the last 9 petrol stations ive built in the last three years one garage had one ev point in it (and thats already outdated) dont believe all you read
Fady said:
BarcelonaLewis said:
I never thought I'd be saying this, but our next family wagon will most likely be a plug-in. In 5 years time the demand for petrol stations will be significantly lower, and in 10, 15, 20 it'll surely be difficult to fill up - that doesn't seem to be taken into account when people pre-empt future values of cars like this.
This is here now - sod the future and enjoy the moment!If you pay £15k now, and in 15 year's time it's worth zero (it won't be) you've lost a grand a year. No great shakes.
big_rob_sydney said:
Due to reliability concerns, I wouldn't buy a new merc, let alone a 10 year old POS. And as they get older again, things will only be more and more prone to failure. You don't need a clairvoyant to tell you these will be ruinously expensive to run.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
I have the balls to tell you you're talking rubbish my CLK63 hasn't cost me anything other than regular servicing & my OH's old C63 cost her an AC pump.I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
What failures are you talking about?
What reliability concerns?
The only big expense is fuel but everyone that buys one already knows this.
I look forward to hearing your specifics.
ZX10R NIN said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Due to reliability concerns, I wouldn't buy a new merc, let alone a 10 year old POS. And as they get older again, things will only be more and more prone to failure. You don't need a clairvoyant to tell you these will be ruinously expensive to run.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
I have the balls to tell you you're talking rubbish my CLK63 hasn't cost me anything other than regular servicing & my OH's old C63 cost her an AC pump.I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
What failures are you talking about?
What reliability concerns?
The only big expense is fuel but everyone that buys one already knows this.
I look forward to hearing your specifics.
And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Saturday 19th June 23:01
big_rob_sydney said:
ZX10R NIN said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Due to reliability concerns, I wouldn't buy a new merc, let alone a 10 year old POS. And as they get older again, things will only be more and more prone to failure. You don't need a clairvoyant to tell you these will be ruinously expensive to run.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
I have the balls to tell you you're talking rubbish my CLK63 hasn't cost me anything other than regular servicing & my OH's old C63 cost her an AC pump.I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
What failures are you talking about?
What reliability concerns?
The only big expense is fuel but everyone that buys one already knows this.
I look forward to hearing your specifics.
And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Saturday 19th June 23:01
benzinbob said:
big_rob_sydney said:
ZX10R NIN said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Due to reliability concerns, I wouldn't buy a new merc, let alone a 10 year old POS. And as they get older again, things will only be more and more prone to failure. You don't need a clairvoyant to tell you these will be ruinously expensive to run.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
I have the balls to tell you you're talking rubbish my CLK63 hasn't cost me anything other than regular servicing & my OH's old C63 cost her an AC pump.I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
What failures are you talking about?
What reliability concerns?
The only big expense is fuel but everyone that buys one already knows this.
I look forward to hearing your specifics.
And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Saturday 19th June 23:01
big_rob_sydney said:
Read up on Tasos Machatos (United Arab Emirates) for starters. These have lifter and camshaft lobe failures due to poor oiling quality. Manufacturing defects on cams. Ringland failures. Rear main seal. Oil pump chain tensioner. Injectors. Head bolts.
And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
I haven't got caught up in any German is best PR stuff but my CLK63 is an absolute weapon & I still own it & have done for a fair while, my OH had her C63 for just over two years & no issues.And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Saturday 19th June 23:01
With none of the issues you've read up on the internet & my car is still running like a dream.
The IS-F is a nice car & I often recommend them BUT parts aren't cheap because it's a special limited production car where as the 6.2 has a plentiful parts supply & costs are pretty reasonable.
You shouldn't assume every car is the same just because you saw it on the internet, the same with the owners, I source cars for people & while the marketing/PR stuff may work on people who want a white goods car & even that's changing, it's a different story when it comes to performance cars people tend to buy them because they WANT them & that was the reason I bought mine & have sourced plenty for clients with no issues.
So you can keep on coming on here & calling them a POS but it seems a number of owners on here aren't having the issues you claim are so prevalent on all 6.2 AMG engines.
Explain why I've not had these failures, I'm not saying they haven't happened but it seems strange you're the only one offering up these issues that will happen to every 6.2!
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Sunday 20th June 01:01
big_rob_sydney said:
This may come as a surprise to you, but some people can actually do research.
What doesn't come as a surprise is your post. Perhaps some people don't want a glorified Toyota and so cost of ownership matters less than driving enjoyment. We use Lexus cars as part of our airport limo service and they're nice enough places to sit but I'd rather stab myself than own one for 'pleasure'. I've two old Germans and they've been great, generally, in terms of reliability but they're more than great in terms of bringing a smile.
Edited by eddharris on Sunday 20th June 00:54
big_rob_sydney said:
Due to reliability concerns, I wouldn't buy a new merc, let alone a 10 year old POS. And as they get older again, things will only be more and more prone to failure. You don't need a clairvoyant to tell you these will be ruinously expensive to run.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
What a load of BS, had mine from new and never had a large repair bill, epic cars with one of the all time great v8 !!
I had a coupe for 4 years
Probably the most fun car I have owned, the noise and shove is outrageous.
Rear tyres are relatively narrow for the power and easy to spin up.
13mpg around town is a pain not so much for the cost (which you accept) but the range.
Very reliable, had one oil leak in 4 years and surprisingly practical (rear seats room much better than 911).
A great weekend car, as a DD I think the thirst is too much (unless you live in Knightsbridge, but then you probably have a G63 as a DD).
Probably the most fun car I have owned, the noise and shove is outrageous.
Rear tyres are relatively narrow for the power and easy to spin up.
13mpg around town is a pain not so much for the cost (which you accept) but the range.
Very reliable, had one oil leak in 4 years and surprisingly practical (rear seats room much better than 911).
A great weekend car, as a DD I think the thirst is too much (unless you live in Knightsbridge, but then you probably have a G63 as a DD).
ZX10R NIN said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Read up on Tasos Machatos (United Arab Emirates) for starters. These have lifter and camshaft lobe failures due to poor oiling quality. Manufacturing defects on cams. Ringland failures. Rear main seal. Oil pump chain tensioner. Injectors. Head bolts.
And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
I haven't got caught up in any German is best PR stuff but my CLK63 is an absolute weapon & I still own it & have done for a fair while, my OH had her C63 for just over two years & no issues.And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Saturday 19th June 23:01
With none of the issues you've read up on the internet & my car is still running like a dream.
The IS-F is a nice car & I often recommend them BUT parts aren't cheap because it's a special limited production car where as the 6.2 has a plentiful parts supply & costs are pretty reasonable.
You shouldn't assume every car is the same just because you saw it on the internet, the same with the owners, I source cars for people & while the marketing/PR stuff may work on people who want a white goods car & even that's changing, it's a different story when it comes to performance cars people tend to buy them because they WANT them & that was the reason I bought mine & have sourced plenty for clients with no issues.
So you can keep on coming on here & calling them a POS but it seems a number of owners on here aren't having the issues you claim are so prevalent on all 6.2 AMG engines.
Explain why I've not had these failures, I'm not saying they haven't happened but it seems strange you're the only one offering up these issues that will happen to every 6.2!
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Sunday 20th June 01:01
1. The issues that *I* claim? Literally the first point you quoted me on was that it was reported by someone else - "Read up on Tasos Machatos (United Arab Emirates) for starters."
2. Where did I say it would happen to "every" 6.2?
That's just you being defensive and putting words into someone else's mouth to twist what was said, to ease your own conscience.
Fine, your car may not have grenaded (yet). Bully for you. But even someone parochial will understand that over time parts degrade. At some point, even the most bulletproof car will need attention, and at this point, the MB exorbitant pricing structure will come into effect. At that point, you will have to shell out for big MB bills.
Mr-B said:
Would love to scratch the V8 itch with something like this, but just not this particular car.
Too many clues, lowered, after market rear diffuser, chav tints, black bits that should be silver, rear tyres mentioned in 2 MOT's, wonder why that is, and the de facto tag of a chav owner the front reg plate dumped on the dashboard, if that doesn't declare the previous keeper was one of the Innit bruvs nothing does. I can easily imagine this specific car has been on youtube, stationary in the middle of the road, rear tyres spinning smoke pouring from the rear arches to cheers and whistles from yoof bystanders at one of those "meets".
I'll keep my powder dry for a better example.
Your strange.... Too many clues, lowered, after market rear diffuser, chav tints, black bits that should be silver, rear tyres mentioned in 2 MOT's, wonder why that is, and the de facto tag of a chav owner the front reg plate dumped on the dashboard, if that doesn't declare the previous keeper was one of the Innit bruvs nothing does. I can easily imagine this specific car has been on youtube, stationary in the middle of the road, rear tyres spinning smoke pouring from the rear arches to cheers and whistles from yoof bystanders at one of those "meets".
I'll keep my powder dry for a better example.
Hopefully the virus or vaccine hasn't got you....
big_rob_sydney said:
A few corrections in your post, if I may?
1. The issues that *I* claim? Literally the first point you quoted me on was that it was reported by someone else - "Read up on Tasos Machatos (United Arab Emirates) for starters."
2. Where did I say it would happen to "every" 6.2?
That's just you being defensive and putting words into someone else's mouth to twist what was said, to ease your own conscience.
Fine, your car may not have grenaded (yet). Bully for you. But even someone parochial will understand that over time parts degrade. At some point, even the most bulletproof car will need attention, and at this point, the MB exorbitant pricing structure will come into effect. At that point, you will have to shell out for big MB bills.
1) Reported by someone else, so your opinion is formed by someone else's experience & you're assuming that it's true for most. As in your words they're POS.1. The issues that *I* claim? Literally the first point you quoted me on was that it was reported by someone else - "Read up on Tasos Machatos (United Arab Emirates) for starters."
2. Where did I say it would happen to "every" 6.2?
That's just you being defensive and putting words into someone else's mouth to twist what was said, to ease your own conscience.
Fine, your car may not have grenaded (yet). Bully for you. But even someone parochial will understand that over time parts degrade. At some point, even the most bulletproof car will need attention, and at this point, the MB exorbitant pricing structure will come into effect. At that point, you will have to shell out for big MB bills.
2) You implied they were POS (which would mean the majority) with inherent issues & even in your statement you added "Yet" implying that i'm lucky to have got this far without issue.
I'm not seeing lots 63 AMG's with blown engines in the same way you see a fair few N/A M Cars.
No defense here nor is it needed lots of happy owners on here, the proof is in the pudding.
You're right all cars will have failure at some point but you didn't say that.
My car is 10+ years old & rolling along just fine, maintenance is the key to any car lasting, as for parts pricing I can tell you for a fact parts are cheaper on my AMG compared to an IS-F & by the same token the IS-F you're lauding will suffer the same issues as the 6.2 going by your logic.
The labour rate is cheaper is at Lexus main dealers but the parts for their 5.0 V8 aren't cheap not that either goes through lots of parts as they're well built N/A engines
Anyway have a good day keep doing your research & ignoring many happy owners.
I'll just keep driving mine
big_rob_sydney said:
ZX10R NIN said:
big_rob_sydney said:
Read up on Tasos Machatos (United Arab Emirates) for starters. These have lifter and camshaft lobe failures due to poor oiling quality. Manufacturing defects on cams. Ringland failures. Rear main seal. Oil pump chain tensioner. Injectors. Head bolts.
And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
I haven't got caught up in any German is best PR stuff but my CLK63 is an absolute weapon & I still own it & have done for a fair while, my OH had her C63 for just over two years & no issues.And on top of that, you're dealing with Mercedes. Parts cost more from them than other manufacturers eg pretty much anything Japanese.
An ISF would cost a fraction to run compared to this POS. But then too many people get sucked into the German BS "prestige" brand crap. As you were.
Edited by big_rob_sydney on Saturday 19th June 23:01
With none of the issues you've read up on the internet & my car is still running like a dream.
The IS-F is a nice car & I often recommend them BUT parts aren't cheap because it's a special limited production car where as the 6.2 has a plentiful parts supply & costs are pretty reasonable.
You shouldn't assume every car is the same just because you saw it on the internet, the same with the owners, I source cars for people & while the marketing/PR stuff may work on people who want a white goods car & even that's changing, it's a different story when it comes to performance cars people tend to buy them because they WANT them & that was the reason I bought mine & have sourced plenty for clients with no issues.
So you can keep on coming on here & calling them a POS but it seems a number of owners on here aren't having the issues you claim are so prevalent on all 6.2 AMG engines.
Explain why I've not had these failures, I'm not saying they haven't happened but it seems strange you're the only one offering up these issues that will happen to every 6.2!
Edited by ZX10R NIN on Sunday 20th June 01:01
1. The issues that *I* claim? Literally the first point you quoted me on was that it was reported by someone else - "Read up on Tasos Machatos (United Arab Emirates) for starters."
2. Where did I say it would happen to "every" 6.2?
That's just you being defensive and putting words into someone else's mouth to twist what was said, to ease your own conscience.
Fine, your car may not have grenaded (yet). Bully for you. But even someone parochial will understand that over time parts degrade. At some point, even the most bulletproof car will need attention, and at this point, the MB exorbitant pricing structure will come into effect. At that point, you will have to shell out for big MB bills.
You say these problems occur on all M156 engines, at what age and how many miles do they all fail?
Blimey.
I’m glad Pistonheads don’t run pubs, otherwise there would be blood and teeth on the floor every night.
Anyway for what it’s worth, in 8 years of ownership of my C63, I have had to replace the AC condenser in addition to routine servicing and that’s it.
I’m glad Pistonheads don’t run pubs, otherwise there would be blood and teeth on the floor every night.
Anyway for what it’s worth, in 8 years of ownership of my C63, I have had to replace the AC condenser in addition to routine servicing and that’s it.
Edited by Argybargy on Sunday 20th June 14:50
Edited by Argybargy on Sunday 20th June 14:53
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