RE: Mercedes C63 AMG (W204) | The Brave Pill
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Would love to scratch the V8 itch with something like this, but just not this particular car.
Too many clues, lowered, after market rear diffuser, chav tints, black bits that should be silver, rear tyres mentioned in 2 MOT's, wonder why that is, and the de facto tag of a chav owner the front reg plate dumped on the dashboard, if that doesn't declare the previous keeper was one of the Innit bruvs nothing does. I can easily imagine this specific car has been on youtube, stationary in the middle of the road, rear tyres spinning smoke pouring from the rear arches to cheers and whistles from yoof bystanders at one of those "meets".
I'll keep my powder dry for a better example.
Too many clues, lowered, after market rear diffuser, chav tints, black bits that should be silver, rear tyres mentioned in 2 MOT's, wonder why that is, and the de facto tag of a chav owner the front reg plate dumped on the dashboard, if that doesn't declare the previous keeper was one of the Innit bruvs nothing does. I can easily imagine this specific car has been on youtube, stationary in the middle of the road, rear tyres spinning smoke pouring from the rear arches to cheers and whistles from yoof bystanders at one of those "meets".
I'll keep my powder dry for a better example.
It's very common for rear tyres to show up as an advisory or fail on MOTs with these cars, and not because of burn outs/donuts.
The rear camber can cause wear on the very inside of the rear tyres, which isn't always readily obvious unless the car is up on a ramp or you get right under it for a look.
The rear camber can cause wear on the very inside of the rear tyres, which isn't always readily obvious unless the car is up on a ramp or you get right under it for a look.
Some rather bizzare comments about the future value of ICE cars and the idea that they will be banned which is nonsense. They will be phased out from being sold as new cars and then the normal laws of obsolescence and end of useful life will take them off the roads, as they always have done humdrum run of the mill cars. You will be left with cars that have appeal and are special and become classics. Such as a C63 . Not this example, which is past redemption. Even looking now for a quality car , lowish miles, history and with PP , LSD, 507 or DR520 , and you will be looking a long time. They have all but disappeared . These cars are not old yet in the context of a classic, wait another 10 years or more. Then look around for a good one. Perfect reminder of what the ICE was , and an escape from the soulless electric vehicles. As for taxing fuel , maybe they will , but if people think electric cars will not be taxed in many forms they are bonkers. Something will need to replace fuel duty and annual taxation of the ICE era.
stuart100 said:
That’s hugely pessimistic. Petrol and diesel cars will still be able to be bought new in nearly 10 years time. Hybrids for another 15. There will be a huge amount of ICE cars on the road in 10-15 years time. Perhaps in 20 years you will see a few petrol stations disappearing. I can’t see a Mad Max situation of finding petrol hard to find anytime soon.
Pessimistic perhaps, but most cars I see on the road are less than 5 years old and if you're choosing a new car today and aren't an enthusiast, then hybrids and electrics are viable options, if not in a lot of cases the most sensible option. I also think those who buy based on trends/ what other mums on the school run drive will increase the speed of shift to electric too. I've a lot of old cars which I use for fun, and one modern vehicle (a VW T6) for moving family. This is the one time which I think Contract Hire is easily the the preferred option for ownership for something like that, just because I personally don't think you can predict depreciation over the next 5-10 for an ICE vehicle. And that's me talking about a boring van, it's going to be interesting seeing how 'investment' 911s go in the next few years.
BarcelonaLewis said:
most cars I see on the road are less than 5 years old
Some facts- the average age of a car on UK roads is 8.4 years
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/59950/average-a...
- the average car lifespan (average age of cars being scrapped) is about 14 years
https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/sustainabil...
- 8.4% of new car sales are battery electric
https://www.drivingelectric.com/news/678/electric-...
In other words, 91% of cars sold new today have a combustion engine, and on average these ICE cars will be on the road until 2035.
Given that, if someone were to buy a C63 today and keep it for say 3-5 years, I really don't see that the phase-out of petrol is going to adversely affect their residuals. And if this is the last chance to enjoy a petrol car, a big AMG V8 is probably one of the best ways to make the most of it!
What a wonderful engine that M156 is.
Got one in my CLS63, and it never fails to put a smile on my face. Thunderous in sound, endless in torque and relentless in power delivery.
Yes, it drinks like a fish but the sound and character make it all worthwhile.
I hate the interiors on the early W204 models - they feel so cheap, plastic and flimsy. The post-2011 models have a much nicer feel, although I do prefer plainer exterior looks on the early models.
Get one whilst they are cheap - if they follow along the same pattern as the E46 M3s, then values will soon be going up to £20k for the cheapest, shabbiest examples.
For now, you can pick up decent ones for £15k, but sadly the on on show is not a decent one.
Got one in my CLS63, and it never fails to put a smile on my face. Thunderous in sound, endless in torque and relentless in power delivery.
Yes, it drinks like a fish but the sound and character make it all worthwhile.
I hate the interiors on the early W204 models - they feel so cheap, plastic and flimsy. The post-2011 models have a much nicer feel, although I do prefer plainer exterior looks on the early models.
Get one whilst they are cheap - if they follow along the same pattern as the E46 M3s, then values will soon be going up to £20k for the cheapest, shabbiest examples.
For now, you can pick up decent ones for £15k, but sadly the on on show is not a decent one.
ICE cars are going nowhere soon, most interesting examples will go well beyond 2030 with synthetic fuels coming to market, as for taxing them or the fuels, no, the taxes will hit electric cars or roads with modified rates for usage.
I considered a C63 last year to scratch the V8 itch, but went down the RS4 route instead, this Pill example is awful and will hopefully be crushed after a police raid in a few months time.
I considered a C63 last year to scratch the V8 itch, but went down the RS4 route instead, this Pill example is awful and will hopefully be crushed after a police raid in a few months time.
These aren't really a brave pill but thy do need maintaining but much less so than an E90 M3, although I'd haggle hard & find an extra 1k for this wagon:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105263...
Or if it has to be below 15k this would get my money:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265186095135?hash=item3...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105263...
Or if it has to be below 15k this would get my money:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265186095135?hash=item3...
Dombilano said:
ICE cars are going nowhere soon, most interesting examples will go well beyond 2030 with synthetic fuels coming to market, as for taxing them or the fuels, no, the taxes will hit electric cars or roads with modified rates for usage.
I considered a C63 last year to scratch the V8 itch, but went down the RS4 route instead, this Pill example is awful and will hopefully be crushed after a police raid in a few months time.
It is a fact that mainstream manufacturers are moving to electric which will mean mainstream buyere will want that. This is not a mainstream car but the enthusiast market os likely not big enough and in 5 years it will be a sea of tesla model S replacing c63s I considered a C63 last year to scratch the V8 itch, but went down the RS4 route instead, this Pill example is awful and will hopefully be crushed after a police raid in a few months time.
I've had a facelift wagon for nearly a year now, MSL map and quaife LSD.
Engine is fantastic, gearbox is rubbish (Earlier gearboxes I'm told are even worse). Handling is a bit of a disappointment in my opinion.
I came from an R35 GTR, but even something like a quick Megane or impreza makes it feel like an absolute barge.
Maybe it's just me but I've never got on with the car.
Ironically the Mrs loves it.
Engine is fantastic, gearbox is rubbish (Earlier gearboxes I'm told are even worse). Handling is a bit of a disappointment in my opinion.
I came from an R35 GTR, but even something like a quick Megane or impreza makes it feel like an absolute barge.
Maybe it's just me but I've never got on with the car.
Ironically the Mrs loves it.
ZX10R NIN said:
These aren't really a brave pill but thy do need maintaining but much less so than an E90 M3, although I'd haggle hard & find an extra 1k for this wagon:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105263...
Or if it has to be below 15k this would get my money:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265186095135?hash=item3...
I’m sure the wagon was priced at £18500 yesterday, I looked at it and even spec checked it, was £70k when new. Cracking car that https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202105263...
Or if it has to be below 15k this would get my money:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/265186095135?hash=item3...
I bought my wagon by email to a MB main dealer after hearing one blast around Monaco as the late Sid Watkins F1 medical car.
The noise, drama, immediacy of the engine....and the start is glorious. Used to get up to 130mph on the way to the office (legally on derestricted roads I should add). Not had any trouble in 7 years, but only manages 17mpg. Epic car, and a keeper.
The noise, drama, immediacy of the engine....and the start is glorious. Used to get up to 130mph on the way to the office (legally on derestricted roads I should add). Not had any trouble in 7 years, but only manages 17mpg. Epic car, and a keeper.
borat52 said:
I've had a facelift wagon for nearly a year now, MSL map and quaife LSD.
Engine is fantastic, gearbox is rubbish (Earlier gearboxes I'm told are even worse). Handling is a bit of a disappointment in my opinion.
I came from an R35 GTR, but even something like a quick Megane or impreza makes it feel like an absolute barge.
Maybe it's just me but I've never got on with the car.
Ironically the Mrs loves it.
Did you expect any different though? Engine is fantastic, gearbox is rubbish (Earlier gearboxes I'm told are even worse). Handling is a bit of a disappointment in my opinion.
I came from an R35 GTR, but even something like a quick Megane or impreza makes it feel like an absolute barge.
Maybe it's just me but I've never got on with the car.
Ironically the Mrs loves it.
It is a nearly two ton family car, while it's not bad to drive, it's never going to be all that good. It really is all about the engine, I wouldn't have one to replace a sports car, but i would have one in addition to.
Gecko1978 said:
Dombilano said:
ICE cars are going nowhere soon, most interesting examples will go well beyond 2030 with synthetic fuels coming to market, as for taxing them or the fuels, no, the taxes will hit electric cars or roads with modified rates for usage.
I considered a C63 last year to scratch the V8 itch, but went down the RS4 route instead, this Pill example is awful and will hopefully be crushed after a police raid in a few months time.
It is a fact that mainstream manufacturers are moving to electric which will mean mainstream buyere will want that. This is not a mainstream car but the enthusiast market os likely not big enough and in 5 years it will be a sea of tesla model S replacing c63s I considered a C63 last year to scratch the V8 itch, but went down the RS4 route instead, this Pill example is awful and will hopefully be crushed after a police raid in a few months time.
BarcelonaLewis said:
I never thought I'd be saying this, but our next family wagon will most likely be a plug-in. In 5 years time the demand for petrol stations will be significantly lower, and in 10, 15, 20 it'll surely be difficult to fill up - that doesn't seem to be taken into account when people pre-empt future values of cars like this.
This is here now - sod the future and enjoy the moment!Due to reliability concerns, I wouldn't buy a new merc, let alone a 10 year old POS. And as they get older again, things will only be more and more prone to failure. You don't need a clairvoyant to tell you these will be ruinously expensive to run.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
big_rob_sydney said:
Due to reliability concerns, I wouldn't buy a new merc, let alone a 10 year old POS. And as they get older again, things will only be more and more prone to failure. You don't need a clairvoyant to tell you these will be ruinously expensive to run.
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
Do you mean running costs or repair costs? Pretty sure these are fairly reliable.I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
I have had 2 of them - a 2011 saloon and an 2013 coupe with optional LSD and carbon pack. Brilliant cars. If you find a good one reliability should be fine - but regular consumables will cost - but no worse than M cars (have had M3 / M5s and I found these to be way worse on reliability).
Sold my coupe last year - chap who bought it then ruined it with chav black trim / radiator / smoked lights etc then messaged me to ask if I buy it back :-)
Would have done if he hadn't destroyed its looks...
might get another later this year but would only want a 507 Ltd edition...more exclusive should hold value better in long term.
Sold my coupe last year - chap who bought it then ruined it with chav black trim / radiator / smoked lights etc then messaged me to ask if I buy it back :-)
Would have done if he hadn't destroyed its looks...
might get another later this year but would only want a 507 Ltd edition...more exclusive should hold value better in long term.
big_rob_sydney said:
I'd love to hear from someone who has the balls to actually tell the truth about how badly these things have bitten them.
But that's not really fair is it, it sort of assumes or implies that anyone that hasn't spent a lot on their car, like me, is somehow shilling for Mercedes and being dishonest. My car, for what it's worth, was very reliable, but it wasn't cheap. Discs and pads for the front were £1,300, it had a £950 service at Merdeces due to me being foolish enough to take it to a main dealer, and it did like to wear the inside of the tyres quite quickly, especially the fronts.
The head bolts stretching on earlier cars was a major issue, and if you're unlucky you can have cam/lifter problems. As far as I'm aware, things like suspension, running gear and basically everything else is fairly reliable.
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