WTF happened to bargain V8s ?!
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Trackdayer said:
OP - You could justify getting a BMW M3 V8. Although expensive, it's
a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
Amazing is a pretty strong word for a car that's undeniably competent but ultimately still a very predictable, mainstream choice. What people do with their money is their own business but stretching one's budget to just about pick up a BMW which is only made to look reliable by its V10 big brother's bork factor seems a bit unsound as an ownership prospect. If we then assume it will be sold on for a profit then we need to catch up on a lot of deferred maintenance such that a bottom-of-the-M3-market car is even usable after 3-5 years of earning its keep.a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
By way of direct comparison, and staying well away from any assumed borkage, everyone can agree cars which get driven need new brakes.
Genuine E92 M3 front discs - £440/pair
https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-b...
Rover SD1 front discs - £78/pair - £224/pair depending on plain or vented options
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009014
Sure, you should be able to get cheap(er) pattern parts to scrape an aging and pretty complex BMW through its MOT each year, but the point is that it costs a lot more just in parts to run a BMW M-car than most other stuff mentioned on this thread. That's before we get into more subtle differences such as VED and insurance which is drastically different between fairly wafty cruiser type cars and the Innit Bruv M3 that image-conscious young men love to crash regularly. That shouldn't be prohibitive in its own right but stretching your finances to buy a car certainly won't help you pay for its upkeep and will likely undermine any notions of keeping it on the road for 5 years, let alone selling it for a profit.
jamieduff1981 said:
Amazing is a pretty strong word for a car that's undeniably competent but ultimately still a very predictable, mainstream choice. What people do with their money is their own business but stretching one's budget to just about pick up a BMW which is only made to look reliable by its V10 big brother's bork factor seems a bit unsound as an ownership prospect. If we then assume it will be sold on for a profit then we need to catch up on a lot of deferred maintenance such that a bottom-of-the-M3-market car is even usable after 3-5 years of earning its keep.
By way of direct comparison, and staying well away from any assumed borkage, everyone can agree cars which get driven need new brakes.
Genuine E92 M3 front discs - £440/pair
https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-b...
Rover SD1 front discs - £78/pair - £224/pair depending on plain or vented options
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009014
Sure, you should be able to get cheap(er) pattern parts to scrape an aging and pretty complex BMW through its MOT each year, but the point is that it costs a lot more just in parts to run a BMW M-car than most other stuff mentioned on this thread. That's before we get into more subtle differences such as VED and insurance which is drastically different between fairly wafty cruiser type cars and the Innit Bruv M3 that image-conscious young men love to crash regularly. That shouldn't be prohibitive in its own right but stretching your finances to buy a car certainly won't help you pay for its upkeep and will likely undermine any notions of keeping it on the road for 5 years, let alone selling it for a profit.
I don't think I've ever seen a side by side comparison for the many, many people cross shopping an E92 M3 V8 and a Rover SD1 V8. I can't think why By way of direct comparison, and staying well away from any assumed borkage, everyone can agree cars which get driven need new brakes.
Genuine E92 M3 front discs - £440/pair
https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-b...
Rover SD1 front discs - £78/pair - £224/pair depending on plain or vented options
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009014
Sure, you should be able to get cheap(er) pattern parts to scrape an aging and pretty complex BMW through its MOT each year, but the point is that it costs a lot more just in parts to run a BMW M-car than most other stuff mentioned on this thread. That's before we get into more subtle differences such as VED and insurance which is drastically different between fairly wafty cruiser type cars and the Innit Bruv M3 that image-conscious young men love to crash regularly. That shouldn't be prohibitive in its own right but stretching your finances to buy a car certainly won't help you pay for its upkeep and will likely undermine any notions of keeping it on the road for 5 years, let alone selling it for a profit.
Trackdayer said:
OP - You could justify getting a BMW M3 V8. Although expensive, it's
a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
I never get how anyone can make a 'profit' from virtually any mass produced vehicle. Nearly always a depreciating asset, often purchased on credit terms for which there is a charge. Then factor in running costs, servicing etc. Unless in some way exotic, those cars don't make money!a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
Trackdayer said:
OP - You could justify getting a BMW M3 V8. Although expensive, it's
a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
Along these lines wasn’t there a recent thread saying how a 10 year old C63 AMG would be pretty reliable AND can do all the daily stuff for 15-20k. Maybe that could replace the daily AND the want for a fun car if you really want a V8 and have a limited budget???a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
Fady said:
I never get how anyone can make a 'profit' from virtually any mass produced vehicle. Nearly always a depreciating asset, often purchased on credit terms for which there is a charge. Then factor in running costs, servicing etc. Unless in some way exotic, those cars don't make money!
Nonsense. I ran an E46 M3 for 3 years and made 3k profit on itjamieduff1981 said:
Amazing is a pretty strong word for a car that's undeniably competent but ultimately still a very predictable, mainstream choice. What people do with their money is their own business but stretching one's budget to just about pick up a BMW which is only made to look reliable by its V10 big brother's bork factor seems a bit unsound as an ownership prospect. If we then assume it will be sold on for a profit then we need to catch up on a lot of deferred maintenance such that a bottom-of-the-M3-market car is even usable after 3-5 years of earning its keep.
By way of direct comparison, and staying well away from any assumed borkage, everyone can agree cars which get driven need new brakes.
Genuine E92 M3 front discs - £440/pair
https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-b...
Rover SD1 front discs - £78/pair - £224/pair depending on plain or vented options
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009014
Sure, you should be able to get cheap(er) pattern parts to scrape an aging and pretty complex BMW through its MOT each year, but the point is that it costs a lot more just in parts to run a BMW M-car than most other stuff mentioned on this thread. That's before we get into more subtle differences such as VED and insurance which is drastically different between fairly wafty cruiser type cars and the Innit Bruv M3 that image-conscious young men love to crash regularly. That shouldn't be prohibitive in its own right but stretching your finances to buy a car certainly won't help you pay for its upkeep and will likely undermine any notions of keeping it on the road for 5 years, let alone selling it for a profit.
Mainstream doesn't mean it's not amazing. Nor does rare make something desirable. What is a good indication of how good a car is is the price people are willing to pay for it. I don't believe for a minute an old Rover is more reliable than a BMW. E9x have very few issues.By way of direct comparison, and staying well away from any assumed borkage, everyone can agree cars which get driven need new brakes.
Genuine E92 M3 front discs - £440/pair
https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-b...
Rover SD1 front discs - £78/pair - £224/pair depending on plain or vented options
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009014
Sure, you should be able to get cheap(er) pattern parts to scrape an aging and pretty complex BMW through its MOT each year, but the point is that it costs a lot more just in parts to run a BMW M-car than most other stuff mentioned on this thread. That's before we get into more subtle differences such as VED and insurance which is drastically different between fairly wafty cruiser type cars and the Innit Bruv M3 that image-conscious young men love to crash regularly. That shouldn't be prohibitive in its own right but stretching your finances to buy a car certainly won't help you pay for its upkeep and will likely undermine any notions of keeping it on the road for 5 years, let alone selling it for a profit.
Your brake disc argument is a rather arbritrary measure of maintenance costs. Why not factor in say rust repairs on both cars? And why should money be the decisive factor in any case? I'd argue a modern car with 414bhp is worth paying ~£1.50 a day in VED.
Is the young male stereotype of the M3 any worse than the "my wife left me for a younger man because I was applying waxoyl to my SD1 in my
shed" image for the Rover? It works both ways.
By all means there are some great ideas on this thread but let's not pretend for a minute an SD1 is anything other than a skip on wheels with a dismally slow engine.
jamieduff1981 said:
Trackdayer said:
OP - You could justify getting a BMW M3 V8. Although expensive, it's
a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
Amazing is a pretty strong word for a car that's undeniably competent but ultimately still a very predictable, mainstream choice. What people do with their money is their own business but stretching one's budget to just about pick up a BMW which is only made to look reliable by its V10 big brother's bork factor seems a bit unsound as an ownership prospect. If we then assume it will be sold on for a profit then we need to catch up on a lot of deferred maintenance such that a bottom-of-the-M3-market car is even usable after 3-5 years of earning its keep.a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
By way of direct comparison, and staying well away from any assumed borkage, everyone can agree cars which get driven need new brakes.
Genuine E92 M3 front discs - £440/pair
https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-b...
Rover SD1 front discs - £78/pair - £224/pair depending on plain or vented options
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009014
Sure, you should be able to get cheap(er) pattern parts to scrape an aging and pretty complex BMW through its MOT each year, but the point is that it costs a lot more just in parts to run a BMW M-car than most other stuff mentioned on this thread. That's before we get into more subtle differences such as VED and insurance which is drastically different between fairly wafty cruiser type cars and the Innit Bruv M3 that image-conscious young men love to crash regularly. That shouldn't be prohibitive in its own right but stretching your finances to buy a car certainly won't help you pay for its upkeep and will likely undermine any notions of keeping it on the road for 5 years, let alone selling it for a profit.
A 400hp, naturally aspirated, daily useable, 4.0 V8 stuffed into a smallish coupe or saloon is pretty amazing. They are great cars, which is partly why they are so popular. Believe me, these cars will be missed when they are gone.
Yes they can cost a fair wack to run, but so can any performance car. If properly cared for, they are (like the V10 you mention) fairly robust. There are plenty of daily used 100k+ mile S65 and S85 engines on the roads that are a testament to that. I know of one V10 that is approaching 200k miles....
As pointed out, they are appreciating nicely now and so running costs are not as simple as how much it costs to service them. If you can buy one cheap and sort it out, or buy a good one at a reasonable price now, you may end up quids in having enjoyed a few years of fun. Think of all those that bought cheap 996s, E46 M3s and various fast Fords... how many really regret that now?
TopTrump said:
Hehe, thanks Troubled. Indeed it is!
I think you are the first person on PH to have ever noticed - so you caught me on the hop after all these years!I'd forgotten that was what I set my username too - although I was immediately looking the line up, because I couldn't quite remember...film, or book, both or neither.
Edited by Arnold Cunningham on Wednesday 23 June 17:53
Fady said:
Trackdayer said:
OP - You could justify getting a BMW M3 V8. Although expensive, it's
a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
I never get how anyone can make a 'profit' from virtually any mass produced vehicle. Nearly always a depreciating asset, often purchased on credit terms for which there is a charge. Then factor in running costs, servicing etc. Unless in some way exotic, those cars don't make money!a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
b) At the bottom of it's depreciacion curve.
Buy one now, even with a loan, sell it in 3-5 years for a profit.
Deranged Rover said:
Trackdayer said:
OP - You could justify getting a BMW M3 V8. Although expensive, it's
a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
The M3 V8 is indeed a truly amazing car and I'm definitely a fan.a) An amazing car (let's be honest, a Rover isn't!)
But I'd still rather have a Rover SD1 V8.
As a huge BMW fan, so would I, especially if it's a twin plenum Vitesse.
alec.e said:
They can and do, in my case owned a M6 V10 for two years, spent a decent chunk on upgrades, ect. Still made around 2k 'profit' when I sold it. So it can happen, luck of the draw?
You mean you actually got more back for it than you spent in total? That's really quite impressive!Trackdayer said:
SturdyHSV said:
Very fortuitous timing, or is the man maths strong here?
Every car has fuel and consumables. But on purchase price alone the E46 was profitable. E9x series are only going that way too. Either way the OP should be aware it's an option.
I sold my M5 for considerably more than what I paid for it, I also spent considerably more than what I earned from the sale on upkeep during my ownership....
....Cars don't make money in my experience.
Trackdayer said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Amazing is a pretty strong word for a car that's undeniably competent but ultimately still a very predictable, mainstream choice. What people do with their money is their own business but stretching one's budget to just about pick up a BMW which is only made to look reliable by its V10 big brother's bork factor seems a bit unsound as an ownership prospect. If we then assume it will be sold on for a profit then we need to catch up on a lot of deferred maintenance such that a bottom-of-the-M3-market car is even usable after 3-5 years of earning its keep.
By way of direct comparison, and staying well away from any assumed borkage, everyone can agree cars which get driven need new brakes.
Genuine E92 M3 front discs - £440/pair
https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-b...
Rover SD1 front discs - £78/pair - £224/pair depending on plain or vented options
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009014
Sure, you should be able to get cheap(er) pattern parts to scrape an aging and pretty complex BMW through its MOT each year, but the point is that it costs a lot more just in parts to run a BMW M-car than most other stuff mentioned on this thread. That's before we get into more subtle differences such as VED and insurance which is drastically different between fairly wafty cruiser type cars and the Innit Bruv M3 that image-conscious young men love to crash regularly. That shouldn't be prohibitive in its own right but stretching your finances to buy a car certainly won't help you pay for its upkeep and will likely undermine any notions of keeping it on the road for 5 years, let alone selling it for a profit.
Mainstream doesn't mean it's not amazing. Nor does rare make something desirable. What is a good indication of how good a car is is the price people are willing to pay for it. I don't believe for a minute an old Rover is more reliable than a BMW. E9x have very few issues.By way of direct comparison, and staying well away from any assumed borkage, everyone can agree cars which get driven need new brakes.
Genuine E92 M3 front discs - £440/pair
https://www.mlperformance.co.uk/products/genuine-b...
Rover SD1 front discs - £78/pair - £224/pair depending on plain or vented options
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-GRID009014
Sure, you should be able to get cheap(er) pattern parts to scrape an aging and pretty complex BMW through its MOT each year, but the point is that it costs a lot more just in parts to run a BMW M-car than most other stuff mentioned on this thread. That's before we get into more subtle differences such as VED and insurance which is drastically different between fairly wafty cruiser type cars and the Innit Bruv M3 that image-conscious young men love to crash regularly. That shouldn't be prohibitive in its own right but stretching your finances to buy a car certainly won't help you pay for its upkeep and will likely undermine any notions of keeping it on the road for 5 years, let alone selling it for a profit.
Your brake disc argument is a rather arbritrary measure of maintenance costs. Why not factor in say rust repairs on both cars? And why should money be the decisive factor in any case? I'd argue a modern car with 414bhp is worth paying ~£1.50 a day in VED.
Is the young male stereotype of the M3 any worse than the "my wife left me for a younger man because I was applying waxoyl to my SD1 in my
shed" image for the Rover? It works both ways.
By all means there are some great ideas on this thread but let's not pretend for a minute an SD1 is anything other than a skip on wheels with a dismally slow engine.
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