RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS claims Nurburgring lap record

RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS claims Nurburgring lap record

Thursday 24th June 2021

Porsche 911 GT2 RS claims Nurburgring lap record

With a little help from Lars Kern and a Manthey Performance Kit...



Just last month we brought you news that the 911 GT3 RS MR had broken the official Nurburgring tape at 6:54.340 - which was mighty impressive for a car unsullied by turbochargers. Now it appears the team were just warming up for the main show. Because evidently Lars Kern has taken a 911 GT2 RS equipped with the Manthey Performance Kit round in 6:43.300, which Porsche is claiming as an outright road-approved production car record.

Now. Quite where the distinction between 'road car' and 'modified car' is, it's hard to say. Because the lap set by Kevin Estre in the 911 GT3 RS MR is officially listed in the latter category - as is the previous time recorded by the 911 GT2 RS MR in 2018. But Porsche clearly thinks it's on solid ground, given the time was set 'in the presence of a notary' as required now by any record-setting wannabe, and confidently states that the 6:48.047 benchmark set by the Mercedes-AMG GT Black Series is no more.

Either way, the GT2's 4.747-second advantage is a notable one. As Andreas Preuninger himself notes: "This 6:43.300 time for the whole lap is equivalent to 6:38.835 for the old shorter variant, so makes a real statement." Indeed it does. If Wikipedia's account of these things is correct, that's nearly 10 seconds quicker than the time Kern managed in a 'standard' GT2 RS in 2017. It is 10 seconds quicker than the Radical SR8 LM lap recorded by Evo in 2009. Bonkers.

As ever, tyres play their part. The Manthey Performance Kit car featured the same Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 R rubber as the Black Series, and doubtless they contributed to the impressive 115.5mph average speed. As of course did the chassis, aerodynamic and brake components specially developed for the GT2 by Manthey and Porsche engineers.

 

Most significant are the bits which effect airflow, additional flaps on the front spoiler and air guides around the wheels increasing downforce on the front axle while a new spoiler and modified diffuser take care of things at the back. The result is equivalent to 200kg pushing down on the rear of the GT2 at 124mph - where previously there was only 93.

The track-optimised coilover suspension is adjustable through three settings at the front and four at the back, and there are special racing pads for the PCCB ceramic brake system to reduce fade. Not to mention steel-encased brake lines for better pedal feedback. The wheels, measuring 20/21-inch, are the magnesium items familiar from the Weissach Pack and save 11.4kg over standard. Elsewhere you get an additional water tank for spray cooling the intercoolers.

"The 911 GT2 RS sticks to the track like glue with the Manthey Performance Kit - you feel as if you're in a racing car, especially on faster corners. It is truly breathtaking how the car puts its 700hp down, and how incredibly well it brakes while always remaining easy to control," commented Kern. The team reported a track temperature of 41 degrees during the test.

If you fancy replicating his effort (or at least owning a car with the potential to do so) the Manthey Performance Kit by Porsche Tequipment is available to order now in Europe, and will follow in the UK at a later date. The manufacturer doesn't specify a price, but given the extent of the alterations and the fact that the kit is currently only available as a complete package, we're going to say lots. Which is what 4.747 seconds commands in 2021.







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belleair302

Original Poster:

6,842 posts

207 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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It may well be the fastest time recorded but does anybody care and do people really buy a very modified track car because of this time set by a professional 'ring specialist? It isnt so newsworthy when you look at the cost of the car and the very special tyres plus brakes and weight saving that has gone on. Meh!

btdk5

1,850 posts

190 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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belleair302 said:
It may well be the fastest time recorded but does anybody care and do people really buy a very modified track car because of this time set by a professional 'ring specialist? It isnt so newsworthy when you look at the cost of the car and the very special tyres plus brakes and weight saving that has gone on. Meh!
I was under the impression that quite a lot of people who track their 911 get tempted by some form of MR kit. RPM technik stated recently that they had completed a lot of upgrades for clients.

So yes quite a lot of people care.

drpep

1,758 posts

168 months

Wednesday 23rd June 2021
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6:43.3 in a road car is nothing short of incredible. Not disputing cost, special equipment and pro driver, but objectively that's pretty much race-car fast. Well done to team and driver!

mlhj83

160 posts

154 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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belleair302 said:
It may well be the fastest time recorded but does anybody care and do people really buy a very modified track car because of this time set by a professional 'ring specialist? It isnt so newsworthy when you look at the cost of the car and the very special tyres plus brakes and weight saving that has gone on. Meh!
I do, and so do a lot of RS owners around the world who track their cars very hard, and are able to achieve respectable lap times. You only need to see the number of MR kits already sold around the world for the 991 RS.

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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You bet they do. When the Nissan GTR was in its pomp, the amount of anti-911 crowing was considerable.

I'd have liked to have been a passenger too!

WCZ

10,515 posts

194 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Lots of people do care, Chris Harris actually said the mr suspension made the standard gt2rs’s suspension seem bad

Porsche owners have a tendency to track their cars more than Ferrari or lambo from my experience

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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belleair302 said:
It may well be the fastest time recorded but does anybody care and do people really buy a very modified track car because of this time set by a professional 'ring specialist? It isnt so newsworthy when you look at the cost of the car and the very special tyres plus brakes and weight saving that has gone on. Meh!
Yes. Lots of people do.

RDMcG

19,136 posts

207 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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If I had the talent to drive a GT2RS to the limit of its performance on the Nürburgring, I would definitely get the Manthey kit. However,I do not, nor am I close to it, so the added. performance would not make much difference for me, a moderately competent 3RS driver. I have a ton of respect for Manthey though.

Quattro Formigine

440 posts

40 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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WCZ said:
Lots of people do care, Chris Harris actually said the mr suspension made the standard gt2rs’s suspension seem bad

Porsche owners have a tendency to track their cars more than Ferrari or lambo from my experience
It's no coincidence that Manthey's premises overlook the Ring .

Onehp

1,617 posts

283 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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The premise of the question is a bit incorrect.

This isn't a road car per se, Porsche with the GT+MR package makes for trackday cars that are reliable and fast and which you can drive to and from the track without a trailer. Basically track driving made easy.

As for cost, in context of what race cars and other supercars 'for the road'° cost, this isn't half bad for the speed even if it is half a million quid. Motorsport is expensive...


° Not sure what most supercars' speed is for, mostly unusable on the road and actually not directly suitable for actual extended trackdriving either...

MDL111

6,913 posts

177 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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belleair302 said:
It may well be the fastest time recorded but does anybody care and do people really buy a very modified track car because of this time set by a professional 'ring specialist? It isnt so newsworthy when you look at the cost of the car and the very special tyres plus brakes and weight saving that has gone on. Meh!
I’d say this is one of the the (few) times a ring time actually makes sense as it shows the improvement on a car that people do take on track - many people want to make their car faster even if they obviously cannot achieve the same time as a professional.

British Beef

2,209 posts

165 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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drpep said:
6:43.3 in a road car is nothing short of incredible. Not disputing cost, special equipment and pro driver, but objectively that's pretty much race-car fast. Well done to team and driver!
Tyres, tyres, tyres - the biggest development contributing to the most the additional average speed, is tyres. Not sexy, but very simple and very true.

F1 is a prime example, the slowest car with the worse driver on good tyres will out perform Hamilton and Mercedes on old tyres (20 lap old).

Power, aero, weight, materials, suspension..... all very incremental. But tyre performance is advancing quicker than all combined.

Put this same car on tyres engineered 10 years ago, and I think you would see a huge chunk of the time eroded.

Likewise, stick that Radical SR8 on brand new cut slicks, high end road tyres and it would go much faster.

jzakariya

176 posts

118 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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They may have made an ace car but that video editing is awful. Inside view -cut- outside view -cut- driver view -cut- repeat again and again. Let us watch the damn lap, will you !

Debaser

5,760 posts

261 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Good effort! Well done Porsche and Manthey.

GTEYE

2,094 posts

210 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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jzakariya said:
They may have made an ace car but that video editing is awful. Inside view -cut- outside view -cut- driver view -cut- repeat again and again. Let us watch the damn lap, will you !
I thought that too, really frustrating!

It's an impressive feat, but really for 99.999% of the population totally irrelevant.



Park-ut4ry

20 posts

104 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Nurburgring lap records for SUVs are getting a little boring, but lap records for the 'ultimate' track car are absolutely still relevant and I've no doubt MR will sell even more kits off the back of this to people who do track their 911s. Amazing work!

wab172uk

2,005 posts

227 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Can't wait to tell the lads in the pub !

Freakuk

3,135 posts

151 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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Better get on the phone to the local OPC and order one....

Oh wait, I don't buy 4-5 Porsche's a year and haven't given the dealer principle a reach around in a while.

dapper

182 posts

75 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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I do think it should belong in the "modified" category as it's not a factory Porsche option, that doesn't take away from the achievement however, incredible.

dapper

182 posts

75 months

Thursday 24th June 2021
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RDMcG said:
If I had the talent to drive a GT2RS to the limit of its performance on the Nürburgring, I would definitely get the Manthey kit. However,I do not, nor am I close to it, so the added. performance would not make much difference for me, a moderately competent 3RS driver. I have a ton of respect for Manthey though.
I'd be curious to see your thoughts if you went for a passenger lap in one. Although you may be no where near the limit in the stock car, the extra bits of kit added on may make it feel more confidence inspiring to you? Then again a stock 3RS is incredible in its own right. Best of luck with the car and the laps.