RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS claims Nurburgring lap record
Discussion
ddom said:
mlhj83 said:
They can be enjoyed on the road, there is sufficient suspension travel to soak up common potholes. The Manthey KW suspension has high speed damping dialled down to soak up sharper impacts, and customers have said the kit is no less comfortable than the standard RS. Plus the front axle lift is preserved. There are plenty of videos of the GT2 RS MR being driven on the road around Europe, including bumpy ones.
Nope. Way too much for the road. Won’t even be interesting sub 120 mph Edited by mlhj83 on Thursday 24th June 21:02
Maybe if you lived next to an autbarn, at least you could stretch the engine occassionaly.
Don1 said:
Why not?
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K? Don1 said:
Onehp said:
Don1 said:
Now, a Porsche costing £30k, a sub 5 second sprint weighing 1200kg - I would listen.
Closest is the GR86. Would be a shame to miss out because of a badge... Even with TVR having practically no regs to meet and using customers as R&D engineers.
honda_exige said:
Don1 said:
Onehp said:
Don1 said:
Now, a Porsche costing £30k, a sub 5 second sprint weighing 1200kg - I would listen.
Closest is the GR86. Would be a shame to miss out because of a badge... Even with TVR having practically no regs to meet and using customers as R&D engineers.
Harrypop said:
Don1 said:
Why not?
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K? Don1 said:
Another fast car around a track. World keeps turning.
I hope I'm not getting too old, but I am left disinterested by this never ending quest that very few people are genuinely interested in.
Now, a Porsche costing £30k, a sub 5 second sprint weighing 1200kg - I would listen.
alright, the 30k thing is a bit make believe - but otherwise, i'm right with you. I hope I'm not getting too old, but I am left disinterested by this never ending quest that very few people are genuinely interested in.
Now, a Porsche costing £30k, a sub 5 second sprint weighing 1200kg - I would listen.
I wonder/hope that the sportscar buying public are going to wake up to weight and agility ultimately being more fun *on the road* than outright power, and even - outright grip.
They don't at the moment - these things still sell, and way more than they did in the past - and Alpine's meagre sales figures vs. Cayman shows most people still look for cylinders and big wings, rather than the frankly astonishing 350kg weight difference between car and a specced Cayman S.
So even if not 30k, even if crazy money - one of the big boys taking a punt on a true lightweight car, with a simple thus light powertrain (which may need less cylinders; may even not have a manual if that's heavier) - i'd love to see what happens. and then maybe the sportscar buying community grows up a bit,and starts to look "kgs" first, not "bhp"...
Otherwise, what is next? Just as 400bhp was always the magic number before BMW made it normal with the E39 M5, we seem to have 700-800bhp as the new normal, and lets face it the 500- 600bhp years didn't last long. Will your standard mid engined sportscar Ferrari in the next gen need to have 1,000bhp? and isnt that just a bit silly?
(or maybe with EV - that's exactly what they'll do... sigh)
Don1 said:
Harrypop said:
Don1 said:
Why not?
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K? British Beef said:
Agree, I cant think of anything less enjoyable and more frustrating to drive on the road in the UK.
Maybe if you lived next to an autbarn, at least you could stretch the engine occassionaly.
You don't need to utilise the engine's performance on the road. The brilliant chassis and feedback from it can be enjoyed on the road. Obviously, as I previously mentioned, not a car primarily intended for the road, but it's certainly no less enjoyable than a Lotus, Alpine, Caterham etc. I own the current RS, and have a tarmac rally setup M3 and Mini JCW to compare to. Have also had significant seat time in A110, A110s, MX-5, Exige S2/S3 and Caterham 620S.Maybe if you lived next to an autbarn, at least you could stretch the engine occassionaly.
Why is everyone questioning this?
Don1 said:
fblm said:
You want a lightweight Porsche for the price of a hot Ford Focus?
Why not?Harrypop said:
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K?
If you see a brand new GT2 RS for sale for 30k, would you care about the rest of the VAG group? We all want one for 30k, won't happen, but we still want it to.Harrypop said:
Don1 said:
Harrypop said:
Don1 said:
Why not?
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K? You are in cloud cuckoo land if you honestly believe that.
In the real world, this unobtainium around the track with the 'record' is as lightly to happen to the rest of as the rest of this comment that you take as the gospel truth.
Don1 said:
You are in cloud cuckoo land if you honestly believe that.
In the real world, this unobtainium around the track with the 'record' is as lightly to happen to the rest of as the rest of this comment that you take as the gospel truth.
There are 6 991 GT2 RS's currently for sale in the classifieds right at this moment and Manthey would be more than happy to fit the MR package to each and every one of them. Is that real world enough for you?? Your individual financial circumstances don't determine what is unobtainium or not.
If you only wanted to deal in fantasy, and wasn't concerned with any form of real world possibility, why limit yourself to a set of parameters you clearly thought could be realistic? Why not just wish for Porsche to give away 1200kg cars free in multipacks of crisps?
Don1 said:
And how many rank and file can afford them, and the MR upgrades?
Completely irrelevant to the statement that they are unobtainium. I'll repeat the blindingly obvious that if you have the means and desire they are completely obtainable. Unless you live in some sort of fantasy as oppose to the real world?? Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff