RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS claims Nurburgring lap record

RE: Porsche 911 GT2 RS claims Nurburgring lap record

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Arsecati

2,309 posts

117 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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oedipus said:
Be good to dissipate some of the Nring focus and consider the IOM TT circuit as a proving ground.
You do know the IOM TT circuit is a public road that goes through towns and villages and is speed restricted for most of it's length?

British Beef

2,213 posts

165 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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ddom said:
mlhj83 said:
They can be enjoyed on the road, there is sufficient suspension travel to soak up common potholes. The Manthey KW suspension has high speed damping dialled down to soak up sharper impacts, and customers have said the kit is no less comfortable than the standard RS. Plus the front axle lift is preserved. There are plenty of videos of the GT2 RS MR being driven on the road around Europe, including bumpy ones.

Edited by mlhj83 on Thursday 24th June 21:02
Nope. Way too much for the road. Won’t even be interesting sub 120 mph
Agree, I cant think of anything less enjoyable and more frustrating to drive on the road in the UK.

Maybe if you lived next to an autbarn, at least you could stretch the engine occassionaly.

Don1

15,946 posts

208 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Onehp said:
Don1 said:
Now, a Porsche costing £30k, a sub 5 second sprint weighing 1200kg - I would listen.
Closest is the GR86. Would be a shame to miss out because of a badge...
Ah, when I purchased the Sagaris it was in the £30's, so I have no need.

Don1

15,946 posts

208 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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fblm said:
You want a lightweight Porsche for the price of a hot Ford Focus?

rofl
Why not?

Harrypop

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Don1 said:
Ah, when I purchased the Sagaris it was in the £30's, so I have no need.
Brand new?

Harrypop

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Don1 said:
Why not?
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K?

honda_exige

6,023 posts

206 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Don1 said:
Onehp said:
Don1 said:
Now, a Porsche costing £30k, a sub 5 second sprint weighing 1200kg - I would listen.
Closest is the GR86. Would be a shame to miss out because of a badge...
Ah, when I purchased the Sagaris it was in the £30's, so I have no need.
If a sportscar like that was profitable, TVR would still be alive, but it isn't so they aren't.

Even with TVR having practically no regs to meet and using customers as R&D engineers.

Don1

15,946 posts

208 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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honda_exige said:
Don1 said:
Onehp said:
Don1 said:
Now, a Porsche costing £30k, a sub 5 second sprint weighing 1200kg - I would listen.
Closest is the GR86. Would be a shame to miss out because of a badge...
Ah, when I purchased the Sagaris it was in the £30's, so I have no need.
If a sportscar like that was profitable, TVR would still be alive, but it isn't so they aren't.

Even with TVR having practically no regs to meet and using customers as R&D engineers.
If TVR were sensible, they wouldn't have developed their own engines, and possibly would have still been a viable concern now...

Don1

15,946 posts

208 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Harrypop said:
Don1 said:
Why not?
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K?
Just to be clear, we are discussing compleat fantasy on a thread headlined by a car that is complete fantasy to most people....

cidered77

1,626 posts

197 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Don1 said:
Another fast car around a track. World keeps turning.

I hope I'm not getting too old, but I am left disinterested by this never ending quest that very few people are genuinely interested in.

Now, a Porsche costing £30k, a sub 5 second sprint weighing 1200kg - I would listen.
alright, the 30k thing is a bit make believe - but otherwise, i'm right with you.

I wonder/hope that the sportscar buying public are going to wake up to weight and agility ultimately being more fun *on the road* than outright power, and even - outright grip.

They don't at the moment - these things still sell, and way more than they did in the past - and Alpine's meagre sales figures vs. Cayman shows most people still look for cylinders and big wings, rather than the frankly astonishing 350kg weight difference between car and a specced Cayman S.

So even if not 30k, even if crazy money - one of the big boys taking a punt on a true lightweight car, with a simple thus light powertrain (which may need less cylinders; may even not have a manual if that's heavier) - i'd love to see what happens. and then maybe the sportscar buying community grows up a bit,and starts to look "kgs" first, not "bhp"...

Otherwise, what is next? Just as 400bhp was always the magic number before BMW made it normal with the E39 M5, we seem to have 700-800bhp as the new normal, and lets face it the 500- 600bhp years didn't last long. Will your standard mid engined sportscar Ferrari in the next gen need to have 1,000bhp? and isnt that just a bit silly?


(or maybe with EV - that's exactly what they'll do... sigh)


Harrypop

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Don1 said:
Harrypop said:
Don1 said:
Why not?
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K?
Just to be clear, we are discussing compleat fantasy on a thread headlined by a car that is complete fantasy to most people....
Just to be clear, you asked a serious question as to why Porsche wasn't able to produce a particular car for a specific fantasy amount, which you alone appear to think is a relative outlay based on the fact that you once bought a comparable car for around that amount so why should they be any more now, on a thread headlined by a car that, although financially out of the reach of the majority, is a fantasy to nobody as it exists in the here and now and can be purchased if an individual has both the desire and means to.



mlhj83

160 posts

154 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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British Beef said:
Agree, I cant think of anything less enjoyable and more frustrating to drive on the road in the UK.

Maybe if you lived next to an autbarn, at least you could stretch the engine occassionaly.
You don't need to utilise the engine's performance on the road. The brilliant chassis and feedback from it can be enjoyed on the road. Obviously, as I previously mentioned, not a car primarily intended for the road, but it's certainly no less enjoyable than a Lotus, Alpine, Caterham etc. I own the current RS, and have a tarmac rally setup M3 and Mini JCW to compare to. Have also had significant seat time in A110, A110s, MX-5, Exige S2/S3 and Caterham 620S.

LayZ

1,627 posts

242 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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If you can go and buy one, and get a warranty on it with all this MR stuff then it seems reasonable to me. Very impressive!

Colonel D

628 posts

72 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Why is everyone questioning this?
Don1 said:
fblm said:
You want a lightweight Porsche for the price of a hot Ford Focus?

rofl
Why not?
Harrypop said:
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K?
If you see a brand new GT2 RS for sale for 30k, would you care about the rest of the VAG group? We all want one for 30k, won't happen, but we still want it to.

Don1

15,946 posts

208 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Harrypop said:
Don1 said:
Harrypop said:
Don1 said:
Why not?
If Porsche were producing a 1200kg sports car for £30K brand new where would the rest of the group go with their offerings? It would only ever happen with platform sharing and mass production so would you expect the VW offering to only be £20K to maintain the natural order? How, or more importantly why, would you expect Porsche to undercut what Alpine, for example, have achieved by £20K?
Just to be clear, we are discussing compleat fantasy on a thread headlined by a car that is complete fantasy to most people....
Just to be clear, you asked a serious question as to why Porsche wasn't able to produce a particular car for a specific fantasy amount, which you alone appear to think is a relative outlay based on the fact that you once bought a comparable car for around that amount so why should they be any more now, on a thread headlined by a car that, although financially out of the reach of the majority, is a fantasy to nobody as it exists in the here and now and can be purchased if an individual has both the desire and means to.
rofl

You are in cloud cuckoo land if you honestly believe that.

In the real world, this unobtainium around the track with the 'record' is as lightly to happen to the rest of as the rest of this comment that you take as the gospel truth.

Harrypop

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Don1 said:
rofl

You are in cloud cuckoo land if you honestly believe that.

In the real world, this unobtainium around the track with the 'record' is as lightly to happen to the rest of as the rest of this comment that you take as the gospel truth.
Unobtainium?? Ha ha ha!

There are 6 991 GT2 RS's currently for sale in the classifieds right at this moment and Manthey would be more than happy to fit the MR package to each and every one of them. Is that real world enough for you?? Your individual financial circumstances don't determine what is unobtainium or not.

If you only wanted to deal in fantasy, and wasn't concerned with any form of real world possibility, why limit yourself to a set of parameters you clearly thought could be realistic? Why not just wish for Porsche to give away 1200kg cars free in multipacks of crisps?

Don1

15,946 posts

208 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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And how many rank and file can afford them, and the MR upgrades? rofl

Harrypop

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Don1 said:
And how many rank and file can afford them, and the MR upgrades? rofl
Completely irrelevant to the statement that they are unobtainium. I'll repeat the blindingly obvious that if you have the means and desire they are completely obtainable. Unless you live in some sort of fantasy as oppose to the real world??

Don1

15,946 posts

208 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Bye bye kid. You are just trying to be a numpty.

Harrypop

2,611 posts

122 months

Friday 25th June 2021
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Don1 said:
Bye bye kid. You are just trying to be a numpty.
The person who has resorted to using emoji's and insults is the 'kid'?