RE: All-new Ferrari 296 GTB is rear-drive PHEV

[SidewaysSi]

The Greens will be pleased.

[DumDum]

Lost the plot.

[troc]

Hmm, the longer I look at pictures of the car, the less resolved and cohesive I find the shape and design. I do wonder if it’s one of those cars that looks a lot better in the flesh.

[Drl22]

The design of this, in photos at least, just doesn’t look right but I thought the same about the Roma and it looks good in person so perhaps the same here. The part I cannot get over is that specced they are going to be asking for around £275-300k!

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

LunarOne said:

ManyMotors said:

Ferrari is hitting on all cylinders - 12, 8 and now 6. Give applause to the folks in Marenello!

What do you mean, now 6?

I think it's fair to assume he means cars on sale now

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

Drl22 said:

The design of this, in photos at least, just doesn’t look right but I thought the same about the Roma and it looks good in person so perhaps the same here. The part I cannot get over is that specced they are going to be asking for around £275-300k!

Welcome to 2021. Did you expect it to be much less for a hybrid 800+bhp Ferrari?

[CDP]

Very pretty and modern at the same time.

[s2000db]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

SpeckledJim said:

s2000db said:

What’s the performance like when it’s run out of battery after a lap or two?

I can’t see hybrid as a way forward yet for super cars imo…

Yeah, but soon enough, if you want to use a supercar for what it's actually actually for, which is 0-40 in Sloane Square many times per evening, then you'll need it to be a hybrid.

It’ll be hopeless for that, cause it won’t spit flames or make a horrendous racket! Lol…

Have you heard of regenerative braking and engines charging the battery with hybrids? Been around for many years now.....

Of course, and as the engine ‘recharges’ the battery (that’s efficient eh!) the performance suffers..
While I realise that pootling around town you won’t notice this, but under flat out driving you will, imo, or have I missed something?

[pbe624]

Nice design and engine looks interesting. My only 2 remarks:

- rear lights should have been round ones, as dating back to 308/328 design
- can there be an option (free of charge) for a conventional non digital dashboard? Don't like those screens everywhere and not always visible in all circumstances... .

F

[CDP]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

LunarOne said:

ManyMotors said:

Ferrari is hitting on all cylinders - 12, 8 and now 6. Give applause to the folks in Marenello!

What do you mean, now 6?

I think it's fair to assume he means cars on sale now

They have built plenty of four cylinder cars in the past.

[Megaflow]

matrignano said:

I really don’t get where this slots in the range.

Given it’s smaller than F8 and a V6, I thought logically they should have made it less powerful and cheaper, and maybe called it Dino.

Instead we get 800+ Hp and a higher price than the F8??

Me too. Perhaps more worryingly, not sure if it is worrying for me or the industry, I don’t actually care and can’t be bothered to look and find out.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

s2000db said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

SpeckledJim said:

s2000db said:

What’s the performance like when it’s run out of battery after a lap or two?

I can’t see hybrid as a way forward yet for super cars imo…

Yeah, but soon enough, if you want to use a supercar for what it's actually actually for, which is 0-40 in Sloane Square many times per evening, then you'll need it to be a hybrid.

It’ll be hopeless for that, cause it won’t spit flames or make a horrendous racket! Lol…

Have you heard of regenerative braking and engines charging the battery with hybrids? Been around for many years now.....

Of course, and as the engine ‘recharges’ the battery (that’s efficient eh!) the performance suffers..
While I realise that pootling around town you won’t notice this, but under flat out driving you will, imo, or have I missed something?

Yes, because unless you're flat out driving on the autobahn, whenever you're off the throttle it'll be recharging (eg coasting, braking, going round corners etc). And yes, it is more efficient, unless all the major worldwide manufacturers don't know something you do?

[Vee12V]

LunarOne said:

ManyMotors said:

Ferrari is hitting on all cylinders - 12, 8 and now 6. Give applause to the folks in Marenello!

What do you mean, now 6?

Technically that's a Dino, not a Ferrari.

[knebworth01]

I like it, its like a Dino for the 21st century. Really good to see this coming out of Ferrari.
Sort of out-NSX's an NSX, although the NSX will be rarer.

[SpeckledJim]

s2000db said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

SpeckledJim said:

s2000db said:

What’s the performance like when it’s run out of battery after a lap or two?

I can’t see hybrid as a way forward yet for super cars imo…

Yeah, but soon enough, if you want to use a supercar for what it's actually actually for, which is 0-40 in Sloane Square many times per evening, then you'll need it to be a hybrid.

It’ll be hopeless for that, cause it won’t spit flames or make a horrendous racket! Lol…

Have you heard of regenerative braking and engines charging the battery with hybrids? Been around for many years now.....

Of course, and as the engine ‘recharges’ the battery (that’s efficient eh!) the performance suffers..
While I realise that pootling around town you won’t notice this, but under flat out driving you will, imo, or have I missed something?

You have. When you ask for performance the battery and engine both work to shove you forward faster than if you didn't have a battery.

When you're not asking for performance, the battery is charged by a mixture of mainly kinetic energy and, if needed, the engine.

It's more efficient AND more performance than not having a battery, not less.

[s2000db]

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

SpeckledJim said:

s2000db said:

What’s the performance like when it’s run out of battery after a lap or two?

I can’t see hybrid as a way forward yet for super cars imo…

Yeah, but soon enough, if you want to use a supercar for what it's actually actually for, which is 0-40 in Sloane Square many times per evening, then you'll need it to be a hybrid.

It’ll be hopeless for that, cause it won’t spit flames or make a horrendous racket! Lol…

Have you heard of regenerative braking and engines charging the battery with hybrids? Been around for many years now.....

Of course, and as the engine ‘recharges’ the battery (that’s efficient eh!) the performance suffers..
While I realise that pootling around town you won’t notice this, but under flat out driving you will, imo, or have I missed something?

Yes, because unless you're flat out driving on the autobahn, whenever you're off the throttle it'll be recharging (eg coasting, braking, going round corners etc). And yes, it is more efficient, unless all the major worldwide manufacturers don't know something you do?

I give up, I’m talking about flat out track driving, and you’re quoting me ‘road driving’ scenarios… lol.

[TyrannosauRoss Lex]

s2000db said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

SpeckledJim said:

s2000db said:

What’s the performance like when it’s run out of battery after a lap or two?

I can’t see hybrid as a way forward yet for super cars imo…

Yeah, but soon enough, if you want to use a supercar for what it's actually actually for, which is 0-40 in Sloane Square many times per evening, then you'll need it to be a hybrid.

It’ll be hopeless for that, cause it won’t spit flames or make a horrendous racket! Lol…

Have you heard of regenerative braking and engines charging the battery with hybrids? Been around for many years now.....

Of course, and as the engine ‘recharges’ the battery (that’s efficient eh!) the performance suffers..
While I realise that pootling around town you won’t notice this, but under flat out driving you will, imo, or have I missed something?

Yes, because unless you're flat out driving on the autobahn, whenever you're off the throttle it'll be recharging (eg coasting, braking, going round corners etc). And yes, it is more efficient, unless all the major worldwide manufacturers don't know something you do?

I give up, I’m talking about flat out track driving, and you’re quoting me ‘road driving’ scenarios… lol.

Ah, you mean like F1 hybrids or Le Mans hybrids? I don't think Ferrari haven't thought of that.....

You do not have WOT all the time on a track either. During cornering or braking it'll be recharging. I'd guess it'd last quite a while before it becomes depleted (by which time you'd need new tyres anyway).

[SpeckledJim]

s2000db said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

TyrannosauRoss Lex said:

s2000db said:

SpeckledJim said:

s2000db said:

What’s the performance like when it’s run out of battery after a lap or two?

I can’t see hybrid as a way forward yet for super cars imo…

Yeah, but soon enough, if you want to use a supercar for what it's actually actually for, which is 0-40 in Sloane Square many times per evening, then you'll need it to be a hybrid.

It’ll be hopeless for that, cause it won’t spit flames or make a horrendous racket! Lol…

Have you heard of regenerative braking and engines charging the battery with hybrids? Been around for many years now.....

Of course, and as the engine ‘recharges’ the battery (that’s efficient eh!) the performance suffers..
While I realise that pootling around town you won’t notice this, but under flat out driving you will, imo, or have I missed something?

Yes, because unless you're flat out driving on the autobahn, whenever you're off the throttle it'll be recharging (eg coasting, braking, going round corners etc). And yes, it is more efficient, unless all the major worldwide manufacturers don't know something you do?

I give up, I’m talking about flat out track driving, and you’re quoting me ‘road driving’ scenarios… lol.

The battery will 'absorb' some energy in the braking phases, and then give it back in the acceleration phases.

[evo69]

jbforce10 said:

DeltaEvo2 said:

Lovely and this: "the highest specific output of any road car in history: 663hp from 3.0-litres is 221hp per litre." Mamma Mia!

That's a lot but the 2 litre 3 cyl in the Gemera kicks out 600 bhp.

Good call, plus the Jesko which puts out up to 1600hp from 5 Litres

[anonymous-user]

I'd like to see one in the metal before making judgments on if it's a looker; some of the images make it look like there's a massive front overhang, others - not so much. Having it styled more for the sake of styling and less for the sake of aero gains, is refreshing. It seems the horsepower arms race shows no signs of abating though.

The positive I'd take from it is it's physically a smaller car than the F8; 4565mm x 1958mm is 'small' these days, so kudos for cramming everything into a smaller envelope.

The list price is strong, but Ferrari can charge what they want these days, and in simple terms, you're getting a lot of horsepower per pound, if that matters to customers.