RE: Goodwood debut for 2022 Toyota GR 86
Discussion
They have history for launching new models at Goodwood.
Back in 2012 they launched the GT86 at the FOS and had a competition for 86 winners to get to drive one up the hill on the Thursday. I was one of the lucky winners, but unlucky enough to get an Auto.
Despite that I liked it and did test drive a manual one in 2014 but the price they quoted seemed high especially given the fairly limited performance.
And then I had a test drive in an older but more powerful Coupe I had always fancied so I bought one of those.
But I'd like to try a GR86, and I really hope they are a success.
Back in 2012 they launched the GT86 at the FOS and had a competition for 86 winners to get to drive one up the hill on the Thursday. I was one of the lucky winners, but unlucky enough to get an Auto.
Despite that I liked it and did test drive a manual one in 2014 but the price they quoted seemed high especially given the fairly limited performance.
And then I had a test drive in an older but more powerful Coupe I had always fancied so I bought one of those.
But I'd like to try a GR86, and I really hope they are a success.
You have to admire Toyota for having the vision to launch the GR range. This new GT86 looks really good and with an N/A engine in this day and age it should be applauded.
I really liked Mazda RX8’s having owned 3 of them and this is new Toyota the closest anyone has come to making a modern day incarnation. Just imagine a modern RX8 but with reliability!
I wonder if Toyota’s collaboration with BMW on the Supra freed up funds to allow the Yaris and GT86 development?
I really liked Mazda RX8’s having owned 3 of them and this is new Toyota the closest anyone has come to making a modern day incarnation. Just imagine a modern RX8 but with reliability!
I wonder if Toyota’s collaboration with BMW on the Supra freed up funds to allow the Yaris and GT86 development?
Earl of Petrol said:
The reason there’s a proliferation of TT’s on the road is choice. This (Toyota) could be sold with bigger/smaller engines, hybrid maybe, or, dare I say a diesel. What about a convertible (MX5 market) or one with a GR Yaris drivetrain.
Disagree. The reason there's a proliferation of TTs on the road is the badge, and the fact that it appeals to people that aren't really very interested in cars and driving. The GT86 is far more focused than a TT. You can't compare to a TT, you need to look at other Japanese sports cars. The GT86 sold roughly as well as the S2000 and much better than the 370Z, the latter ended up at a similar price to the GT86 because Nissan couldn't sell them. It's a small Japanese sports car that isn't cutesy like an MX5, and in the UK and Europe we just don't buy that type of car.Hybrid and diesel simply does not belong in a small, relatively light sports car. As for other engine options, when I spoke to someone from Toyota's marketing department (I think it was on the subject of the TRD version) he mentioned the cost of getting type approval in Europe was relatively high. Adding a second engine option would double the approval cost but wouldn't double sales, so likely wouldn't make financial sense.
I like the idea of cars like this, a dying breed and glad they exist at all.
The red and white ones with black wheels in the first photo look quite chavvy though, very out of place in front of Goodwood House. You’d expect nothing less than an Aston DB4 with a Panama hat in the back shelf what?! Spiffing show old boy etc…
The red and white ones with black wheels in the first photo look quite chavvy though, very out of place in front of Goodwood House. You’d expect nothing less than an Aston DB4 with a Panama hat in the back shelf what?! Spiffing show old boy etc…
shih tzu faced said:
I like the idea of cars like this, a dying breed and glad they exist at all.
The red and white ones with black wheels in the first photo look quite chavvy though, very out of place in front of Goodwood House. You’d expect nothing less than an Aston DB4 with a Panama hat in the back shelf what?! Spiffing show old boy etc…
I would be interested to see how it looks in darker colours, like black, charcoal, british racing green, even a darker version of the red one. Hopefully they offer some choice.The red and white ones with black wheels in the first photo look quite chavvy though, very out of place in front of Goodwood House. You’d expect nothing less than an Aston DB4 with a Panama hat in the back shelf what?! Spiffing show old boy etc…
Grrbang said:
shih tzu faced said:
I like the idea of cars like this, a dying breed and glad they exist at all.
The red and white ones with black wheels in the first photo look quite chavvy though, very out of place in front of Goodwood House. You’d expect nothing less than an Aston DB4 with a Panama hat in the back shelf what?! Spiffing show old boy etc…
I would be interested to see how it looks in darker colours, like black, charcoal, british racing green, even a darker version of the red one. Hopefully they offer some choice.The red and white ones with black wheels in the first photo look quite chavvy though, very out of place in front of Goodwood House. You’d expect nothing less than an Aston DB4 with a Panama hat in the back shelf what?! Spiffing show old boy etc…
Nothing wrong with black wheels in my opinion, though I suppose the older ones among us prefer their chrome trim and gunmetal alloys.
spikyone said:
Earl of Petrol said:
The reason there’s a proliferation of TT’s on the road is choice. This (Toyota) could be sold with bigger/smaller engines, hybrid maybe, or, dare I say a diesel. What about a convertible (MX5 market) or one with a GR Yaris drivetrain.
Disagree. The reason there's a proliferation of TTs on the road is the badge, and the fact that it appeals to people that aren't really very interested in cars and driving. The GT86 is far more focused than a TT. You can't compare to a TT, you need to look at other Japanese sports cars. The GT86 sold roughly as well as the S2000 and much better than the 370Z, the latter ended up at a similar price to the GT86 because Nissan couldn't sell them. It's a small Japanese sports car that isn't cutesy like an MX5, and in the UK and Europe we just don't buy that type of car.Hybrid and diesel simply does not belong in a small, relatively light sports car. As for other engine options, when I spoke to someone from Toyota's marketing department (I think it was on the subject of the TRD version) he mentioned the cost of getting type approval in Europe was relatively high. Adding a second engine option would double the approval cost but wouldn't double sales, so likely wouldn't make financial sense.
The perceived interior and exterior quality of the TT is leagues above any of the cars you've mentioned despite barely changing since 2015. Japanese manufacturers just need to try harder, especially on the interior - this new GR86 looks older than a 2015 TT inside.
The purchase decision was for the TT because it felt like a higher quality product for the same (or better) price. Just better value for money, honestly.
flukey5 said:
Having bought a TT over these cars, personally I didn't care about the badge.
The perceived interior and exterior quality of the TT is leagues above any of the cars you've mentioned despite barely changing since 2015. Japanese manufacturers just need to try harder, especially on the interior - this new GR86 looks older than a 2015 TT inside.
The purchase decision was for the TT because it felt like a higher quality product for the same (or better) price. Just better value for money, honestly.
Seriously?The perceived interior and exterior quality of the TT is leagues above any of the cars you've mentioned despite barely changing since 2015. Japanese manufacturers just need to try harder, especially on the interior - this new GR86 looks older than a 2015 TT inside.
The purchase decision was for the TT because it felt like a higher quality product for the same (or better) price. Just better value for money, honestly.
They’re not a good drive, even tho recent ones less bad.
flukey5 said:
Having bought a TT over these cars, personally I didn't care about the badge.
The perceived interior and exterior quality of the TT is leagues above any of the cars you've mentioned despite barely changing since 2015. Japanese manufacturers just need to try harder, especially on the interior - this new GR86 looks older than a 2015 TT inside.
The purchase decision was for the TT because it felt like a higher quality product for the same (or better) price. Just better value for money, honestly.
It depends how to judge value for money. In terms of interior quality the Audi is streets ahead of the rattly Japanese interior and much more refined. But the TT has economies of scale in its favour as much of the platform is shared with the FWD VAG hatches. The GT86/BRZ is a bespoke platform, which in my view makes it more special.The perceived interior and exterior quality of the TT is leagues above any of the cars you've mentioned despite barely changing since 2015. Japanese manufacturers just need to try harder, especially on the interior - this new GR86 looks older than a 2015 TT inside.
The purchase decision was for the TT because it felt like a higher quality product for the same (or better) price. Just better value for money, honestly.
It's a shame the TT is not being replaced.
CABC said:
flukey5 said:
Having bought a TT over these cars, personally I didn't care about the badge.
The perceived interior and exterior quality of the TT is leagues above any of the cars you've mentioned despite barely changing since 2015. Japanese manufacturers just need to try harder, especially on the interior - this new GR86 looks older than a 2015 TT inside.
The purchase decision was for the TT because it felt like a higher quality product for the same (or better) price. Just better value for money, honestly.
Seriously?The perceived interior and exterior quality of the TT is leagues above any of the cars you've mentioned despite barely changing since 2015. Japanese manufacturers just need to try harder, especially on the interior - this new GR86 looks older than a 2015 TT inside.
The purchase decision was for the TT because it felt like a higher quality product for the same (or better) price. Just better value for money, honestly.
They’re not a good drive, even tho recent ones less bad.
Inside (where I spend 99% of the time) it's a far better place to be, better sound system, better infotainment. Sure it's an understeer machine, but really how often are you breaking traction on public roads. I'm looking for something different now, but I enjoyed the TT.
SidewaysSi said:
I can't imagine people cross shopping a GT86 and TT.
They're both sporty 2+2 coupes - I don't see why not. I certainly did. My main cross shop before I bought the TT was an ND1 MX-5, you know - the other hairdresser's car.
I didn't like the engine or the interior quality at the time, both of which were improved with the ND2 30AE, which I bought.
As said before. Sit in and drive a TT and then an MX-5 or GT86. The TT feels better quality and more substantial/solidly put together. I'm not the best driver in the world and I certainly wasn't coming from a 59 HP Renault Twingo, but the TT felt like a bigger upgrade - ESPECIALLY considering the VAG PCP deals actually made it cheaper
Edited by flukey5 on Friday 25th June 11:41
flukey5 said:
spikyone said:
Earl of Petrol said:
The reason there’s a proliferation of TT’s on the road is choice. This (Toyota) could be sold with bigger/smaller engines, hybrid maybe, or, dare I say a diesel. What about a convertible (MX5 market) or one with a GR Yaris drivetrain.
Disagree. The reason there's a proliferation of TTs on the road is the badge, and the fact that it appeals to people that aren't really very interested in cars and driving. The GT86 is far more focused than a TT. You can't compare to a TT, you need to look at other Japanese sports cars. The GT86 sold roughly as well as the S2000 and much better than the 370Z, the latter ended up at a similar price to the GT86 because Nissan couldn't sell them. It's a small Japanese sports car that isn't cutesy like an MX5, and in the UK and Europe we just don't buy that type of car.Hybrid and diesel simply does not belong in a small, relatively light sports car. As for other engine options, when I spoke to someone from Toyota's marketing department (I think it was on the subject of the TRD version) he mentioned the cost of getting type approval in Europe was relatively high. Adding a second engine option would double the approval cost but wouldn't double sales, so likely wouldn't make financial sense.
The perceived interior and exterior quality of the TT is leagues above any of the cars you've mentioned despite barely changing since 2015. Japanese manufacturers just need to try harder, especially on the interior - this new GR86 looks older than a 2015 TT inside.
The purchase decision was for the TT because it felt like a higher quality product for the same (or better) price. Just better value for money, honestly.
) and decided not to buy a Japanese car because of that. I'm not trying to make this a "gotcha", btw, and it's fine to use that as a reason for buying/not buying a particular model of car. We all have different priorities. 
Bennet said:
IMO, they are still missing a big trick by not giving this a hatchback boot. Looks easily doable without changing the shape of the car at all.
No straight 6, no estate version. I'm surprised it's even getting any attention on PH.Moving on to a serious reply, I agree a hatch would make it more practical and would make little difference to the shape - but it would make the back heavier, higher, the car pricier, maybe not by much, and I think would also compromise rear head room.
I quite liked the original. The MX-5 to me though looks prettier, can drop the roof, and doesn't have compromises with the engine.
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