RE: Ineos shows off Grenadier interior
Discussion
fortfive said:
I don't think I can get past the awful steering wheel. Prices will be key, they seem to be talking 'from £30K' but frankly I can't see how. More like a 50K start.
You get the feeling that if you can drive one away for £30k the. It'll find a reasonable market but I heard numbers well north of that and if those are remotely correct then I struggle to see any demand beyond urban lifestyle?sisu said:
Given the competitors have a frunk it all looks a bit dated.
Great as the F150 is I don't think there's much chance of getting one officially in Europe? And even less chance than before of an import being useful.Though the F150 is a good example of customer friendly innovation - giving something new and different that still feels familiar - compared to warming over an old idea that wasn't good to begin with; reheated s
t is still st. pquinn said:
sisu said:
Given the competitors have a frunk it all looks a bit dated.
Great as the F150 is I don't think there's much chance of getting one officially in Europe? And even less chance than before of an import being useful.Though the F150 is a good example of customer friendly innovation - giving something new and different that still feels familiar - compared to warming over an old idea that wasn't good to begin with; reheated s
t is still st. I don't want to own an F150, but I know that they sell millions of them. If the idea is so bad, what makes the Grenadier a good one? If anyone is warming over an old idea it is this GTA Los Santos version of a Land Rover 110, that was itself a copy of the Jeep.
sisu said:
I don't want to own an F150, but I know that they sell millions of them. If the idea is so bad, what makes the Grenadier a good one? If anyone is warming over an old idea it is this GTA Los Santos version of a Land Rover 110, that was itself a copy of the Jeep.
They sell millions of F150s because the US pickup buyers like to buy American, the Japanese firms haven't managed the same level of market penetration as Ford and GMC in the full size pickup marketplace. What Jeep was the Landrover 110 based on? It was a coil sprung version of the 109inch long wheelbase landrover first introduced as the 107inch in the mid 50s.
NomduJour said:
Not keen on that either. I’d have preferred a tumble-fold like the old Defender, Metro etc (albeit that it limits load length).My Disco 3 has one of the better solutions, but not necessarily one easily compatible with a ladder frame chassis.
sisu said:
The Grenadier interior looks smaller than a Skoda Yeti.
I don't want to own an F150, but I know that they sell millions of them. If the idea is so bad, what makes the Grenadier a good one? If anyone is warming over an old idea it is this GTA Los Santos version of a Land Rover 110, that was itself a copy of the Jeep.
Talking of which... Why would anyone choose the Grenadier over a Wrangler?I don't want to own an F150, but I know that they sell millions of them. If the idea is so bad, what makes the Grenadier a good one? If anyone is warming over an old idea it is this GTA Los Santos version of a Land Rover 110, that was itself a copy of the Jeep.
Kayoed Owner said:
Having seen the Grenadier and spoken to the Ineos team at Goodwood last weekend I have to say that in the flesh it does not look cheap at all.
I think a lot of the negative comments below miss the point of this vehicle, those comparing it to the new Defender should understand that his car is aimed at buyers of the old defender rather than the “Chelsea tractor” brigade this car is meant to be used in remote areas, off road, in difficult to access terrain, down on the farm etc, where cars get a real pounding.
The interior finishes are tough rather luxurious, there are also drainage plugs in the floor so it can be hosed out which gives a hint at its intended use. No farmer is going to buy the new Defender (ok, some will and have judging by the comments here ;-) ), while it is a very capable car the cost is prohibitive and the materials are just not robust enough (even the checker plating is plastic for pity sake!). As for the switch’s, the way it has been organised is that all the on road switching is on the dash so the driver doesn’t have to take their eyes to far from the road and the off road switches plus a host of auxiliary switched ready for accessories are on the roof panel out of the way.
I could go on and on explaining why this car makes absolute sense to its intended customers but I would recommend those interested take a look at the Ineos Grenadier website or better still go and see one before righting it off. The main point is this is not a car for those looking for a luxury lifestyle 4x4 it’s a tool to do a job and I think it will be hugely successful in it’s natural habitat!
.... Which would be brilliant if it had a £35k price tag. Instead it will start at £45k+ and be 10 years out of date before it even leaves the dealership.I think a lot of the negative comments below miss the point of this vehicle, those comparing it to the new Defender should understand that his car is aimed at buyers of the old defender rather than the “Chelsea tractor” brigade this car is meant to be used in remote areas, off road, in difficult to access terrain, down on the farm etc, where cars get a real pounding.
The interior finishes are tough rather luxurious, there are also drainage plugs in the floor so it can be hosed out which gives a hint at its intended use. No farmer is going to buy the new Defender (ok, some will and have judging by the comments here ;-) ), while it is a very capable car the cost is prohibitive and the materials are just not robust enough (even the checker plating is plastic for pity sake!). As for the switch’s, the way it has been organised is that all the on road switching is on the dash so the driver doesn’t have to take their eyes to far from the road and the off road switches plus a host of auxiliary switched ready for accessories are on the roof panel out of the way.
I could go on and on explaining why this car makes absolute sense to its intended customers but I would recommend those interested take a look at the Ineos Grenadier website or better still go and see one before righting it off. The main point is this is not a car for those looking for a luxury lifestyle 4x4 it’s a tool to do a job and I think it will be hugely successful in it’s natural habitat!
Edited by Kayoed Owner on Thursday 15th July 21:18
Edited by Kayoed Owner on Thursday 15th July 21:21
it is aimed at impressing people with a £10k budget, hoping to achieve sales from people with a £35k budget but then will be priced to compete with a brand new defender at £45k+.
It has no "natural habitat", it targets no "natural niche" and has no "target demographic".
I repeat, its closet natural rival is a Jimney & dacia duster, but with triple the price tag.
I own an old 200tdi Defender commercial and a W164 ML 500 which is the family car.
I really liked the new Defender and also the decent engine options so we could get a petrol. Sadly though after seeing them out and about around Bridgnorth it’s simply too big. It’s a pain at times the width of the ML but the Defender takes it to another level. Also the width seems to barely be different from the mirrors to the body. Seeing people struggling to park them also puts me off.
I like pretty much everything about the Grenadier and hope to get a good look around one so it will be our camping, family bus for a good long time.
People being upset about live axles and such things need to realise it’s simply a different way of doing things and I see no issues with it. Hopefully the chassis is as strong and well built as the obviously biased press releases show it to be.
It’s just great to have the choice.
I’m trying to figure out the grenadier sizes as with a spare wheel it appears to be as long as my old defender 110, which would be absolutely fine.
Dave!
I really liked the new Defender and also the decent engine options so we could get a petrol. Sadly though after seeing them out and about around Bridgnorth it’s simply too big. It’s a pain at times the width of the ML but the Defender takes it to another level. Also the width seems to barely be different from the mirrors to the body. Seeing people struggling to park them also puts me off.
I like pretty much everything about the Grenadier and hope to get a good look around one so it will be our camping, family bus for a good long time.
People being upset about live axles and such things need to realise it’s simply a different way of doing things and I see no issues with it. Hopefully the chassis is as strong and well built as the obviously biased press releases show it to be.
It’s just great to have the choice.
I’m trying to figure out the grenadier sizes as with a spare wheel it appears to be as long as my old defender 110, which would be absolutely fine.
Dave!
Andeh1 said:
.... Which would be brilliant if it had a £35k price tag. Instead it will start at £45k+ and be 10 years out of date before it even leaves the dealership.
it is aimed at impressing people with a £10k budget, hoping to achieve sales from people with a £35k budget but then will be priced to compete with a brand new defender at £45k+.
It has no "natural habitat", it targets no "natural niche" and has no "target demographic".
I repeat, its closet natural rival is a Jimney & dacia duster, but with triple the price tag.
I’m not sure if you are serious with your last comment, if so you missed off the 2021 Lada Niva (and probably the 4x4) - all cracking cars at their own price point but they aren’t comparable in my opinion.it is aimed at impressing people with a £10k budget, hoping to achieve sales from people with a £35k budget but then will be priced to compete with a brand new defender at £45k+.
It has no "natural habitat", it targets no "natural niche" and has no "target demographic".
I repeat, its closet natural rival is a Jimney & dacia duster, but with triple the price tag.
For me the pricing discussion is academic, either it will find buyers at 45k plus and all of the “it needs to be 35k” crowd will be shown to be wrong, or it won’t and will need to be discounted (probably down to 35k
) and thusly be proven to be right. I contend it will sell at this price point. I think what will happen is that the majority of people won’t conclude that it is an overpriced 35k car, rather that Land Rover want north of 75 large for a 110 with a 3l petrol engine and therefore circa 50k for the Grenadier with some options is bang on the money.
Edited by CS Garth on Friday 16th July 22:46
CS Garth said:
I’m not sure if you are serious with your last comment, if so you missed off the 2021 Lada Niva (and probably the 4x4) - all cracking cars at their own price point but they aren’t comparable in my opinion.
For me the pricing discussion is academic, either it will find buyers at 45k plus and all of the “it needs to be 35k” crowd will be shown to be wrong, or it won’t and will need to be discounted (probably down to 35k ) and thusly be proven to be right. I contend it will sell at this price point.
I think what will happen is that the majority of people won’t conclude that it is an overpriced 35k car, rather that Land Rover want north of 75 large for a 110 with a 3l petrol engine and therefore circa 50k for the Grenadier with some options is bang on the money.
Yup, ultimately we're just going to wait and see. For me, Incant work out who the 30,000/annum first owners will be. I think it's easy to see who the second and third owners are set to be but I keep coming back to struggling to see a massive private first owner market in places like the UK unless they are successful with the Kahn edition and getting the right urban music people associated with the brand. This is why I am assuming they have spent the last couple of years tying up prospective corporate orders with power schmoozing?For me the pricing discussion is academic, either it will find buyers at 45k plus and all of the “it needs to be 35k” crowd will be shown to be wrong, or it won’t and will need to be discounted (probably down to 35k
) and thusly be proven to be right. I contend it will sell at this price point. I think what will happen is that the majority of people won’t conclude that it is an overpriced 35k car, rather that Land Rover want north of 75 large for a 110 with a 3l petrol engine and therefore circa 50k for the Grenadier with some options is bang on the money.
Edited by CS Garth on Friday 16th July 22:46
Andeh1 said:
.... Which would be brilliant if it had a £35k price tag. Instead it will start at £45k+ and be 10 years out of date before it even leaves the dealership. It has no "natural habitat", it targets no "natural niche" and has no "target demographic".
I repeat, its closet natural rival is a Jimney & dacia duster, but with triple the price tag.
This is the Grenadier problem. I repeat, its closet natural rival is a Jimney & dacia duster, but with triple the price tag.
The pitch that they are "schmozing corporate clients" means that they are giving them to someone to promote it. If I get a fleet of something or commit to a supplier when they are fresh off the boat means they are fronting the bill.
First sales in 12 months? Just in time for you to buy your TVR Griffith right
If this comes out and isn't simply a competitor to the new Defender and the Mercedes G Wagen I will be astounded. I can't see it as a modern evolution of the old Defender because of the price and the user base. Interestingly when we hire a off roader from SHB we are still given a five-eight year old Defender 110, nice to see they are still in circulation.
If this comes out and isn't simply a competitor to the new Defender and the Mercedes G Wagen I will be astounded. I can't see it as a modern evolution of the old Defender because of the price and the user base. Interestingly when we hire a off roader from SHB we are still given a five-eight year old Defender 110, nice to see they are still in circulation.
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