RE: 2021 Audi RS3 officially unveiled

[Limpet]

New nose is a weird mix of Honda and Skoda. Not really sure what they were aiming for.

Rest of it looks alright. Will have a mega engine that sounds great, and it will go like stink.

Owning one would be a bit like having a Cosworth back in the day. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, chances are uncomfortably high that someone is going to have a go at relieving you of it at some point.

[PhantomPH]

Limpet said:

Rest of it looks alright. Will have a mega engine that sounds great, and it will go like stink.

It won't sound great. If the new RS6 near me is anything to go by, it will sound like nothing at all.

[s m]

Limpet said:

New nose is a weird mix of Honda and Skoda. Not really sure what they were aiming for.

Rest of it looks alright. Will have a mega engine that sounds great, and it will go like stink.

Owning one would be a bit like having a Cosworth back in the day. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, chances are uncomfortably high that someone is going to have a go at relieving you of it at some point.

I do like the sound of the existing models when I hear one being taken through the revs

Be interesting to hear what the new one is like

I’m no fan of autoboxes so never be on my shopping list even secondhand but they certainly get a shift on

[CDP]

Looks wise I think the Seat is the best of the VAG quartet. Noise wise the RS5 wins hands down.

[Terminator X]

s m said:

Limpet said:

New nose is a weird mix of Honda and Skoda. Not really sure what they were aiming for.

Rest of it looks alright. Will have a mega engine that sounds great, and it will go like stink.

Owning one would be a bit like having a Cosworth back in the day. Unless you live in the middle of nowhere, chances are uncomfortably high that someone is going to have a go at relieving you of it at some point.

I do like the sound of the existing models when I hear one being taken through the revs

Be interesting to hear what the new one is like

I’m no fan of autoboxes so never be on my shopping list even secondhand but they certainly get a shift on

It isn't an auto, DCT.

TX.

[Ron240]

Terminator X said:

It isn't an auto, DCT..

Maybe you would like to rewrite your post to make it understandable to others...you know, in the way you percieve it in your own mind.

Just for the record...a DCT equipped vehicle has an automated manual transmission which means the gear selection process is automated, therefore it is quite common to refer to it as an "auto".

[Terminator X]

Ron240 said:

Terminator X said:

It isn't an auto, DCT..

Maybe you would like to rewrite your post to make it understandable to others...you know, in the way you percieve it in your own mind.

Just for the record...a DCT equipped vehicle has an automated manual transmission which means the gear selection process is automated, therefore it is quite common to refer to it as an "auto".

Looks like you understood it ok though. Does it creep forward when you take your foot off the brake when stopped? Yep not an auto.

TX.

[nickfrog]

I am confused. We have a DCT and it's definitely auto, 2 pedals, it does creep and it changes gears all on its own.

[Vickers_VC10]

Terminator X said:

Ron240 said:

Terminator X said:

It isn't an auto, DCT..

Maybe you would like to rewrite your post to make it understandable to others...you know, in the way you percieve it in your own mind.

Just for the record...a DCT equipped vehicle has an automated manual transmission which means the gear selection process is automated, therefore it is quite common to refer to it as an "auto".

Does it creep forward when you take your foot off the brake when stopped? Yep not an auto.

TX.

Lolwut?

[Triumph Man]

All this discussion of auto vs manual, it wouldn’t be so bad if Audi made the effort to get the manual shift on the gear lever the correct way round…

[cerb4.5lee]

nickfrog said:

I am confused. We have a DCT and it's definitely auto, 2 pedals, it does creep and it changes gears all on its own.

The DCT in the M4 doesn't creep, and I find it a bit strange to be fair. All the other auto 2 pedal cars that I've had have always moved forward as soon as you release the brake though. You release the brake in the M4 and it doesn't move at all(you have to press the throttle for it to move). It makes for some fantastic jerky moments to be fair!

[Countdown]

Terminator X said:

Looks like you understood it ok though. Does it creep forward when you take your foot off the brake when stopped? Yep not an auto.

TX.

What's the definition of an "auto"? Mine would be "something that changes gear without the driver needing to depress a clutch."

In relation to the OP my vote also goes for "gopping" but if Audi designs over the last 15 years are anything to go by, they seem to become less offensive as time progresses, maybe because people just get used to them.

[PhantomPH]

Ron240 said:

Terminator X said:

It isn't an auto, DCT..

Maybe you would like to rewrite your post to make it understandable to others...you know, in the way you percieve it in your own mind.

Just for the record...a DCT equipped vehicle has an automated manual transmission which means the gear selection process is automated, therefore it is quite common to refer to it as an "auto".

More to the point, are you referring to this DSG RS3? In which case I must be reading Wikipedia incorrectly:

"A direct-shift gearbox (German: Direktschaltgetriebe[1]), commonly abbreviated to DSG,[2][3] is an electronically-controlled, dual-clutch,[2] multiple-shaft, automatic gearbox, in either a transaxle or traditional transmission layout (depending on engine/drive configuration), with automated clutch operation, and with fully-automatic[2] or semi-manual gear selection."

[Leins]

cerb4.5lee said:

nickfrog said:

I am confused. We have a DCT and it's definitely auto, 2 pedals, it does creep and it changes gears all on its own.

The DCT in the M4 doesn't creep, and I find it a bit strange to be fair. All the other auto 2 pedal cars that I've had have always moved forward as soon as you release the brake though. You release the brake in the M4 and it doesn't move at all(you have to press the throttle for it to move). It makes for some fantastic jerky moments to be fair!

I wonder if that’s a legacy of how SMG behaved, which was more of an “automated-manual” and definitely didn’t creep

Out of interest Lee, is your brake pedal normal or over-sized with DCT? Any SMG cars I know had a regular-sized one despite no clutch pedal

[Ron240]

PhantomPH said:

More to the point, are you referring to this DSG RS3?

Sorry I never picked up on that in relation to the subject matter.
DCT/DSG/PDK are all the same technology, but given different names by different manufacturers. All 3 are in fact DCT.
I previously had an Audi but now I have a Mercedes, so the 7 speed twin clutch set up was previously called DSG but now it is called DCT.

[cerb4.5lee]

Leins said:

cerb4.5lee said:

nickfrog said:

I am confused. We have a DCT and it's definitely auto, 2 pedals, it does creep and it changes gears all on its own.

The DCT in the M4 doesn't creep, and I find it a bit strange to be fair. All the other auto 2 pedal cars that I've had have always moved forward as soon as you release the brake though. You release the brake in the M4 and it doesn't move at all(you have to press the throttle for it to move). It makes for some fantastic jerky moments to be fair!

I wonder if that’s a legacy of how SMG behaved, which was more of an “automated-manual” and definitely didn’t creep

Out of interest Lee, is your brake pedal normal or over-sized with DCT? Any SMG cars I know had a regular-sized one despite no clutch pedal

It's normal size, but personally I would prefer the brake pedal to be over-sized though.

[Terminator X]

nickfrog said:

I am confused. We have a DCT and it's definitely auto, 2 pedals, it does creep and it changes gears all on its own.

Lol in the original post that I replied to the chap was implying that he would not go near an auto car cos gearbox. DCT is nothing like a "slushbox" and to many people, me included, it is a manual car with clutch(s) just engaged with a paddle rather than a pedal.

Anyhoo I couldn't give 2 fks if others don't agree so let's just leave that debate there shall we.

TX.

[nickfrog]

Countdown said:

What's the definition of an "auto"? Mine would be "something that changes gear without the driver needing to depress a clutch."

I agree. A DCT is exactly like that, nothing manual at all about it IME. It might shift a little quicker than a slush box although given a choice between a DCT and a ZF8 I would go for the latter. If I wanted a manual I think I would pick...a manual.

[cerb4.5lee]

nickfrog said:

Countdown said:

What's the definition of an "auto"? Mine would be "something that changes gear without the driver needing to depress a clutch."

I agree. A DCT is exactly like that, nothing manual at all about it IME. It might shift a little quicker than a slush box although given a choice between a DCT and a ZF8 I would go for the latter. If I wanted a manual I think I would pick...a manual.

I'm another one that agrees too. A DCT feels nothing like a 3 pedal manual to use for me. Plus if I'm completely honest I've spent the last couple of weeks thinking how much better my M4 could be with a 3 pedal manual gearbox.

It isn't because I think that the DCT is terrible far from it(annoying and jerky at times though for sure), but I just miss the extra interaction that a 3 pedal manual naturally gives you. A 2 pedal car will never feel like a 3 pedal car to use imo.

Apparently BMW tried their best to make the DCT feel like a manual(no creep and no parking pawl), but for me the bottom line is if you want an manual gearbox than buy a manual gearbox, because there just isn't a substitute for sure.

[V8Head]

Just read all 10 pages so far. In short the latest RS3 is keeping up good appearances, keeping that fab and award winning 5 cylinder engine even though I am too an engine snob and would have a V8 as I have had a few in the past including a TVR. My daily driver is a diesel derivative of the A3 and like all Audi’s, they’re well built ,pleasing to the eye and truly deliver on performance too. One minor detail that puzzles me is why no rear wiper on the saloons? Prefer the hatch back anyway.