Modifying to be illegal?
Discussion
otolith said:
The right thing to do with the crashed Tesla was to scrap it and put the V8 into something that deserves it.
Utterly pointless waste of time.
The world would be a far worse place for enthusiasts if some people didn't spend huge amounts of money making completely rubbish cars. Utterly pointless waste of time.
bigothunter said:
Easiest in terms of massive revisions to infrastructure of energy supply and revolution of the car fleet from ICE to EV? Or easiest in terms of a soft target funded by gullible private individuals? 
More like easier to justify.Aircraft pollute, but are high in the sky and as such are essentially invisible. Ships pollute but are out at sea and essentially invisible.
But cars are not, and I'm sure that politicians have more constituents crying "something needs to be done about car exhaust" that for planes and ships.
Extreme example yes, and no idea what caused it, but you get the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ThCYUxc5E
NMNeil said:
More like easier to justify.
Aircraft pollute, but are high in the sky and as such are essentially invisible. Ships pollute but are out at sea and essentially invisible.
But cars are not, and I'm sure that politicians have more constituents crying "something needs to be done about car exhaust" that for planes and ships.
Extreme example yes, and no idea what caused it, but you get the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ThCYUxc5E
Also cars pollute with PM10s, etc outside of schools. Aircraft and ships don't.Aircraft pollute, but are high in the sky and as such are essentially invisible. Ships pollute but are out at sea and essentially invisible.
But cars are not, and I'm sure that politicians have more constituents crying "something needs to be done about car exhaust" that for planes and ships.
Extreme example yes, and no idea what caused it, but you get the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ThCYUxc5E
vaud said:
Also cars pollute with PM10s, etc outside of schools. Aircraft and ships don't.
My point was that if a politician took a train, ship or plane, he would be unaware of the pollution they cause. But if the van in the video drove past him I'm sure his thoughts would turn to "Something must be done", especially if his constituents had already complained of smoking vehicles.The same thing will possibly happen in the next few years when cars are fitted with the speed limiters. If said politician is on the motorway and going as fast as his speed limiter will allow and a bike goes past as though he's standing still, the motorcycle exemption to the fitting of speed limiters would come to an end very rapidly.
It's down to how visible is the problem to the general/voting public, and how much credit a politician can claim for 'solving' the problem.
NMNeil said:
Think about it.
If you join a forum for atheists, you will quickly establish that there are no, and never have been any gods, then unless you have someone who believes that there is an invisible man who lives in the sky. the forum will just collapse.
You, as well as many others on PH, believe that you should be given absolute freedom to modify your car or bike as you see fit with no concern of the consequences. So unless someone disagrees then the thread will be short lived.
And to hope that others don't respond to me and engage in conversation because you disagree with what I post, is rather childish.
Two straw men for the price of oneIf you join a forum for atheists, you will quickly establish that there are no, and never have been any gods, then unless you have someone who believes that there is an invisible man who lives in the sky. the forum will just collapse.
You, as well as many others on PH, believe that you should be given absolute freedom to modify your car or bike as you see fit with no concern of the consequences. So unless someone disagrees then the thread will be short lived.
And to hope that others don't respond to me and engage in conversation because you disagree with what I post, is rather childish.
Once the laws come in then insurance companies will be compelled to be more stringent with their questioning and stipulations over non modification.
Therefore any sneaky mods or whatever will render the vehicle uninsured.
MOT testers will be required to be more vigilant
Companies won't be allowed to retail performance enhancing products etc
It will be a minefield
Therefore any sneaky mods or whatever will render the vehicle uninsured.
MOT testers will be required to be more vigilant
Companies won't be allowed to retail performance enhancing products etc
It will be a minefield
lord trumpton said:
Once the laws come in then insurance companies will be compelled to be more stringent with their questioning and stipulations over non modification.
Therefore any sneaky mods or whatever will render the vehicle uninsured.
MOT testers will be required to be more vigilant
Companies won't be allowed to retail performance enhancing products etc
I believe that the last one will have the most impact, as companies will no longer be able to even advertise remapping, or emissions control equipment removal.Therefore any sneaky mods or whatever will render the vehicle uninsured.
MOT testers will be required to be more vigilant
Companies won't be allowed to retail performance enhancing products etc
"Specifically, we would look to create:
a specific offence for supplying, installing and/or advertising, a ‘tampering product’ for a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply where a principal effect of the product is to bypass, defeat, reduce the effectiveness of or render inoperative a system, part or component (the product may be a physical part or component, hardware and/or software)
a specific offence for removing, reducing the effectiveness of, or rendering inoperative a system, part or component for a vehicle/NRMM and advertising such services
a specific offence for allowing for use or providing a vehicle or NRMM that has had the operations described in the previous 2 points performed on it
a new power to require economic operators to provide information, where a service/product they have supplied amounts to or enables ‘tampering’ with a vehicle or NRMM – this would apply in any of the above senses and include requirements to provide relevant information on the quantities of products sold or modified"
NMNeil said:
My point was that if a politician took a train, ship or plane, he would be unaware of the pollution they cause. But if the van in the video drove past him I'm sure his thoughts would turn to "Something must be done", especially if his constituents had already complained of smoking vehicles.
The same thing will possibly happen in the next few years when cars are fitted with the speed limiters. If said politician is on the motorway and going as fast as his speed limiter will allow and a bike goes past as though he's standing still, the motorcycle exemption to the fitting of speed limiters would come to an end very rapidly.
It's down to how visible is the problem to the general/voting public, and how much credit a politician can claim for 'solving' the problem.
I suspect it's far more to do with how much politicians' sponsors are affected.The same thing will possibly happen in the next few years when cars are fitted with the speed limiters. If said politician is on the motorway and going as fast as his speed limiter will allow and a bike goes past as though he's standing still, the motorcycle exemption to the fitting of speed limiters would come to an end very rapidly.
It's down to how visible is the problem to the general/voting public, and how much credit a politician can claim for 'solving' the problem.
Corporates will be affected by changes to or cost-increases in shipping
Corporates will be affected by taxes on industrial pollution
Corporares will be affected by prohibitions/restrictions on logging and other primary industry
Executives like being able to fly everywhere (although I can see aviation being target #2)
Joe public are an easy target, as we generally can't afford expensive lawyers to bog changes to the law down in the courts for years, and we don't donate millions to political parties / employ politicians as very expensive 'consultants'.
Cynical? Yeah, very much so.
Wrong? I doubt it...
otolith said:
DodgyGeezer said:
Soooooo..... where do the anti-modification crowd stand on this??
https://www.carthrottle.com/post/v8-tesla-model-s-...
Full thumbs up from me - excellent stuff
Personally, not anti-modification. I own a car which has different wheels, exhaust, induction and interior to those it left the factory with, and a supercharger.https://www.carthrottle.com/post/v8-tesla-model-s-...
Full thumbs up from me - excellent stuff
But looking at that, I can only ask - "why?"
Because they just adore the striking styling of the Tesla Model S, but it's too fast for them and they want to slow it down?
Because being unlucky enough to live in the USA, where such things are unheard of, the only way they could obtain a noisy V8 engined car was to convert an electric one?
I am glad people do daft stuff for the sake of it, YouTube has made it so the rewards are there, budgets are higher and coverage global so of course folk will go to much bigger lengths to do stuff that will generate views, subscriptions and adulation.
I think it would have happened anyway but YT just makes it so you will end up with a choice, his next trick is a diesel (Cummins) engined model 3.
I fancy a Triple Rotor Rotary one, from one extreme to the other in terms of efficiency, maybe a Steam Powered Model Y ?
I love to see the engineering that goes into it and I like people who do stuff, rather than just talk about it.
The Wookie said:
NMNeil said:
Think about it.
If you join a forum for atheists, you will quickly establish that there are no, and never have been any gods, then unless you have someone who believes that there is an invisible man who lives in the sky. the forum will just collapse.
You, as well as many others on PH, believe that you should be given absolute freedom to modify your car or bike as you see fit with no concern of the consequences. So unless someone disagrees then the thread will be short lived.
And to hope that others don't respond to me and engage in conversation because you disagree with what I post, is rather childish.
Two straw men for the price of oneIf you join a forum for atheists, you will quickly establish that there are no, and never have been any gods, then unless you have someone who believes that there is an invisible man who lives in the sky. the forum will just collapse.
You, as well as many others on PH, believe that you should be given absolute freedom to modify your car or bike as you see fit with no concern of the consequences. So unless someone disagrees then the thread will be short lived.
And to hope that others don't respond to me and engage in conversation because you disagree with what I post, is rather childish.
J4CKO said:
A V8 engine is the most predictable thing to happen to a Tesla Model S, someone had to do it and Rich Rebuilds I think got there first (I think) and I think its pretty cool.
I sort of recognise the impulse, for the same reason I always liked the idea of chucking the V8 from a muscle car in the skip and fitting a rotary, but it’s just not a terribly attractive proposition you’re going to end up with. It’s not a particularly pretty or great handling car, so apart from a “f
k you, I ruined my car / wasted my V8” to environmentalists, it seems a bit pointless. otolith said:
J4CKO said:
A V8 engine is the most predictable thing to happen to a Tesla Model S, someone had to do it and Rich Rebuilds I think got there first (I think) and I think its pretty cool.
I sort of recognise the impulse, for the same reason I always liked the idea of chucking the V8 from a muscle car in the skip and fitting a rotary, but it’s just not a terribly attractive proposition you’re going to end up with. It’s not a particularly pretty or great handling car, so apart from a “fk you, I ruined my car / wasted my V8” to environmentalists, it seems a bit pointless. vaud said:
NMNeil said:
More like easier to justify.
Aircraft pollute, but are high in the sky and as such are essentially invisible. Ships pollute but are out at sea and essentially invisible.
But cars are not, and I'm sure that politicians have more constituents crying "something needs to be done about car exhaust" that for planes and ships.
Extreme example yes, and no idea what caused it, but you get the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ThCYUxc5E
Also cars pollute with PM10s, etc outside of schools. Aircraft and ships don't.Aircraft pollute, but are high in the sky and as such are essentially invisible. Ships pollute but are out at sea and essentially invisible.
But cars are not, and I'm sure that politicians have more constituents crying "something needs to be done about car exhaust" that for planes and ships.
Extreme example yes, and no idea what caused it, but you get the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0ThCYUxc5E
otolith said:
J4CKO said:
A V8 engine is the most predictable thing to happen to a Tesla Model S, someone had to do it and Rich Rebuilds I think got there first (I think) and I think its pretty cool.
I sort of recognise the impulse, for the same reason I always liked the idea of chucking the V8 from a muscle car in the skip and fitting a rotary, but it’s just not a terribly attractive proposition you’re going to end up with. It’s not a particularly pretty or great handling car, so apart from a “fk you, I ruined my car / wasted my V8” to environmentalists, it seems a bit pointless. As a f
k you to environmentalists, its also a bit lame as most Tesla owners arent all that arsed anyway and a 2.2 ton saloon isnt especially eco, more efficient, doesn't generate as many local emissions but the whole eco thing tends to be a bit of a strange argument when applied to massive, powerful luxury cars, or cars in general.I expect Greta Thunberg isn't sat crying into her ethically sourced cereal over it and the odd conversion affects the end result about as much as football morons fighting after a game, would be a bit weird to see it as any kind of meaningful defiance.
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