Modifying to be illegal?

Modifying to be illegal?

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Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Wednesday 5th January 2022
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bigothunter said:
Kawasicki said:
Shop pollution kills 400,000 each year in Europe alone.
Did you mean ship? scratchchin
Yep! laugh

NMNeil

5,860 posts

49 months

Wednesday 5th January 2022
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Kawasicki said:
bigothunter said:
Kawasicki said:
Shop pollution kills 400,000 each year in Europe alone.
Did you mean ship? scratchchin
Yep! laugh
Wow, 100,000 unreported deaths then?
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20211115-air-po...

NMNeil

5,860 posts

49 months

Wednesday 5th January 2022
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I enjoy the nice leisurely ride in the countryside and the narrative about the new 2022 laws for motorists.
Can anyone confirm that what he's saying is true, especially the bit about, 'if you hit a pedestrian, it's your fault'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYGQkRYvNII

DodgyGeezer

40,156 posts

189 months

Wednesday 5th January 2022
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NMNeil said:
I enjoy the nice leisurely ride in the countryside and the narrative about the new 2022 laws for motorists.
Can anyone confirm that what he's saying is true, especially the bit about, 'if you hit a pedestrian, it's your fault'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYGQkRYvNII
I have heard much the same WRT an update of the highway code. I suspect it's more along the lines of "...if in doubt the most vulnerable is in the right....". At this point I suspect that dashcams for all is the way forward, purely for protection

NMNeil

5,860 posts

49 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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DodgyGeezer said:
I have heard much the same WRT an update of the highway code. I suspect it's more along the lines of "...if in doubt the most vulnerable is in the right....". At this point I suspect that dashcams for all is the way forward, purely for protection
I can understand the reasoning, but question the practicality on how the 'pedestrian comes first' rules will be enforced.
And as the video said, cyclists will believe that they do in fact own the road and if they are hit by a car, it's automatically the car drivers fault. This must have the insurance companies concerned about all those potential cyclist vs. cars claims.
I worked as a dispatch rider in the 80's and can't remember the number of times a pedestrian simply stepped out in front of me without looking, and that was before the days of the cell phone zombies.

Kawasicki

13,041 posts

234 months

Thursday 6th January 2022
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NMNeil said:
Kawasicki said:
bigothunter said:
Kawasicki said:
Shop pollution kills 400,000 each year in Europe alone.
Did you mean ship? scratchchin
Yep! laugh
Wow, 100,000 unreported deaths then?
https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20211115-air-po...
400,000 is “more than 300,000”.

trails

3,624 posts

148 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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liner33

10,642 posts

201 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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I saw recently that New York State have outlawed modifying exhaust in any way that would make the car louder

Punishable by up to 30 days in jail ! Mental

havoc

29,929 posts

234 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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liner33 said:
Punishable by up to 30 days in jail ! Mental
American prisons have got to keep numbers up to make a profit, don't you know...

Blakewater

4,303 posts

156 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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havoc said:
liner33 said:
Punishable by up to 30 days in jail ! Mental
American prisons have got to keep numbers up to make a profit, don't you know...
Land of the free...

jimPH

3,981 posts

79 months

Wednesday 30th March 2022
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NMNeil said:
DodgyGeezer said:
I have heard much the same WRT an update of the highway code. I suspect it's more along the lines of "...if in doubt the most vulnerable is in the right....". At this point I suspect that dashcams for all is the way forward, purely for protection
I can understand the reasoning, but question the practicality on how the 'pedestrian comes first' rules will be enforced.
And as the video said, cyclists will believe that they do in fact own the road and if they are hit by a car, it's automatically the car drivers fault. This must have the insurance companies concerned about all those potential cyclist vs. cars claims.
I worked as a dispatch rider in the 80's and can't remember the number of times a pedestrian simply stepped out in front of me without looking, and that was before the days of the cell phone zombies.
Surely it's just paving the way for autonomous cars.

CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

34 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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trails said:
Debate has been scheduled for 25th April.

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All very well and good but not a single member of parliament has any interest in cars so.......

Other than Boris Johnson as it turns out........ if you remember the Top Gear interview...

bigothunter

11,069 posts

59 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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CarCrazyDad said:
All very well and good but not a single member of parliament has any interest in cars so.......

Other than Boris Johnson as it turns out........ if you remember the Top Gear interview...
IDS owns a Morgan smile


Evanivitch

19,808 posts

121 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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CarCrazyDad said:
All very well and good but not a single member of parliament has any interest in cars so.......
Obviously not the case. However, being a politician with a flash car is easy fodder for the red tops.

bigothunter

11,069 posts

59 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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Interesting topic with an obvious answer.

Modifying to be illegal? Yes definitely - it's only a matter of time.

More stringent regulations will bring cars into alignment with other forms of transport. Aircraft are tightly controlled with only a few approved changes permitted (eg winglets). Airworthiness Directive mandates changes on an aircraft to restore an acceptable level of safety. This policy follows through to road vehicles especially with today's keen focus on safety.

In the meantime, enjoy modifying your cars. It will be outlawed in the not too distant future.

DodgyGeezer

40,156 posts

189 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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bigothunter said:
In the meantime, enjoy modifying your cars. It will be outlawed in the not too distant future.
this ^^^^

vaud

50,291 posts

154 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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DodgyGeezer said:
bigothunter said:
In the meantime, enjoy modifying your cars. It will be outlawed in the not too distant future.
this ^^^^
Outlawed and impossible for the coming generation of cars.

CarCrazyDad

4,280 posts

34 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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Nothing is impossible

Everything is crackable

Being told something is impossible only makes people try harder to do it

Look at Tesla in America (Rich's rebuilds)

The un-workable car has been virtually fully cracked

You won't ever stop people changing alloy wheels, or fitting better audio or small touches like a spoiler or splitter

Even engine remapping and unlocking things like speed limiters - https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/german-tuner-rem...

They will try their hardest but I think there will be a huge outcry from the aftermarket parts business sectors for what a huge amount of money - £22 BILLION (https://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/FS_SMMT_THE-IMPORTANCE-OF-THE-UK-AFTERMARKET.pdf) and over 340,000 jobs.

Knowing how most garage owners / mechanics are they aren't going to take anything lying down....

bigothunter

11,069 posts

59 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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CarCrazyDad said:
Nothing is impossible

Everything is crackable

Being told something is impossible only makes people try harder to do it

Look at Tesla in America (Rich's rebuilds)

The un-workable car has been virtually fully cracked

You won't ever stop people changing alloy wheels, or fitting better audio or small touches like a spoiler or splitter

Even engine remapping and unlocking things like speed limiters - https://www.carscoops.com/2020/10/german-tuner-rem...

They will try their hardest but I think there will be a huge outcry from the aftermarket parts business sectors for what a huge amount of money - £22 BILLION (https://www.smmt.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/FS_SMMT_THE-IMPORTANCE-OF-THE-UK-AFTERMARKET.pdf) and over 340,000 jobs.

Knowing how most garage owners / mechanics are they aren't going to take anything lying down....
What happens at annual Specification Compliance Checks during MOTs?


Edited by bigothunter on Thursday 31st March 19:16

ReverendCounter

6,087 posts

175 months

Thursday 31st March 2022
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CarCrazyDad said:
All very well and good but not a single member of parliament has any interest in cars so.......

Other than Boris Johnson as it turns out........ if you remember the Top Gear interview...
bigothunter said:
IDS owns a Morgan smile

JR Mogg has the x2 Bentleys