RE: Ford Sierra 1.6 Laser | Spotted

RE: Ford Sierra 1.6 Laser | Spotted

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stickleback123

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160 months

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I've just been talking to a friend whose Ford/Vauxhall experience is all post 1995 so based on the Mondeo and the Vectra. They struggled to believe me when I say that Ford made absolute steaming sts of cars for 15+ years and Vauxhall absolutely smashed it through the 80s and 90s, given the complete reversal from the late 90s onwards.

These were crap cars from the off, with poor quality mechanicals, weak power outputs, noisy, poor riding, poor handling, and they all looked knackered by the time they were three years old. I drove a lot of mainstream cars that were around from the mid 90s onwards (so a lot of late 80s onwards dross) and besides the Fiesta, which was a good little car, they were all absolute crap.

Fortunately they almost all vanished before they were 10 years old - a Sierra was already getting to be a rare sight by 2000 despite the youngest being only 6 years old, a testament to what piles of crap they were.

I remember the first time I drove a Mondeo I couldn't believe that FORD made this car, FORD!!!!

This car needs to be preserved so people can drive it and howl with laughter that it was something made on the right side of the iron curtain that people actually bought. You drive one now and it's laugh out loud bad, but you drive a 405 or a Cav Mk2/3 or pretty much any of it's competitors and it just feels like a somewhat more st version of a modern car.


Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 23 November 18:44

Pughmacher

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w824gb3 said:
The Sierra wasn't just a Cortina in drag. It had irs instead of a live axle. In the day the higher spec ones were much covetted. I had an 86 Cav at the time and was always proud that it's 1.6 had 90hp compared to the Ford's 75. That said the Cav was an unreliable heap that needed a new camshaft every 5 mins. I sold it and bought another Ford.
Yep. A good deal different. My gramp had a couple of sierras having previously swore he would never have one because the styling was so far removed from the cortina. CVH was ste (1.8). Pinto was ok if dated. As for the cavalier question iirc the top end on the SOHC Vauxhall lump liked to let you know it was there. I’m sure a few owners who knew there way round a tool box looked at hydraulic lifters with some scorn back in the day. After all if your Pinto was rattly then tighten up up the followers.

MC Bodge

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146 months

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dontlookdown said:
Besides, my Dad had an actual Mark 2 Cavalier in the mid 80s and that was still a better car than my mate's dad's Sierra. Even though I was still too young to drive either of themsmile
My Dad had a Mk2 Cavalier 1.6. FWD was seen as a plus back then. It appeared to be about as fast as my cousin's Sierra 1.8 at the time (it was the heady days of the 80s. Did speed limits apply back then?)

I drove the MK2 a few times (on L plates) before he swapped it for a Mk3 1.6 which, although quite comfortable, gadget-laden and refined, with its unleaded engine, was very sluggish in comparison and didn't handle very well.

MC Bodge

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stickleback123 said:
I've just been talking to a friend whose Ford/Vauxhall experience is all post 1995 so based on the Mondeo and the Vectra. They struggled to believe me when I say that Ford made absolute steaming sts of cars for 15+ years and Vauxhall absolutely smashed it through the 80s and 90s, given the complete reversal from the late 90s onwards.

These were crap cars from the off, with poor quality mechanicals, weak power outputs, noisy, poor riding, poor handling, and they all looked knackered by the time they were three years old. I drove a lot of mainstream cars from the mid 90s onwards and besides the Fiesta, which was a good little car, they were all absolute crap.

Fortunately they almost all vanished before they were 10 years old - a Sierra was already getting to be a rare sight by 2000 despite the youngest being only 6 years old, a testament to what piles of crap they were.

I remember the first time I drove a Mondeo I couldn't believe that FORD made this car, FORD!!!!

This car needs to be preserved so people can drive it and howl with laughter that it was something made on the right side of the iron curtain that people actually bought. You drive one now and it's laugh out loud bad, but you drive a 405 or a Cav Mk2/3 or pretty much any of it's competitors and it just feels like a somewhat more st version of a modern car.

Edited by stickleback123 on Tuesday 23 November 18:37
I drove a friend's Sierra Sapphire in the late 90s. It must have been less than 10 years old, but was baggy and everything felt loose. Bloody awful. A Mondeo was VASTLY better.

stickleback123

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MC Bodge said:
I drove a friend's Sierra Sapphire in the late 90s. It must have been less than 10 years old, but was baggy and everything felt loose. Bloody awful. A Mondeo was VASTLY better.
I can remember to this day my genuine and deep felt astonishment the first time I drove a Mondeo. It was a mid spec hire car with very few miles on the clock, and it was almost impossible to believe the same company who insulted the market with the likes of the Mk5 Escort and the Sierra could make a car like this.

MC Bodge

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stickleback123 said:
MC Bodge said:
I drove a friend's Sierra Sapphire in the late 90s. It must have been less than 10 years old, but was baggy and everything felt loose. Bloody awful. A Mondeo was VASTLY better.
I can remember to this day my genuine and deep felt astonishment the first time I drove a Mondeo. It was a mid spec hire car with very few miles on the clock, and it was almost impossible to believe the same company who insulted the market with the likes of the Mk5 Escort and the Sierra could make a car like this.
My Dad went from the Mk3 Cavalier to a Mondeo 1.8, which was a revelation in ride and handling (the engine was willing too), and I bought a 2.0 Mondeo (which wasn't any better than the 1.8, even with the close ratio box) as a result.

AC43

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179 months

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MC Bodge said:
stickleback123 said:
MC Bodge said:
I drove a friend's Sierra Sapphire in the late 90s. It must have been less than 10 years old, but was baggy and everything felt loose. Bloody awful. A Mondeo was VASTLY better.
I can remember to this day my genuine and deep felt astonishment the first time I drove a Mondeo. It was a mid spec hire car with very few miles on the clock, and it was almost impossible to believe the same company who insulted the market with the likes of the Mk5 Escort and the Sierra could make a car like this.
My Dad went from the Mk3 Cavalier to a Mondeo 1.8, which was a revelation in ride and handling (the engine was willing too), and I bought a 2.0 Mondeo (which wasn't any better than the 1.8, even with the close ratio box) as a result.
The fwd Cav leapfrogged the Sierra and then the Mondeo leapfrogged the Cav.

Ford FINALLY started to, you know, engineer things.

stickleback123

8,350 posts

160 months

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AC43 said:
The fwd Cav leapfrogged the Sierra and then the Mondeo leapfrogged the Cav.

Ford FINALLY started to, you know, engineer things.
And the Vectra.... well, let us not talk about that hehe

Rob 131 Sport

709 posts

23 months

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davidc1 said:
I saw an A reg estate in white recently on the A21 bypass. A 2.3 ghia.with the double headlights and the pepperpots alloys.
Looked so tiny.
Cant be many of those left!
Any 2.3 Cortina or Sierra is a fantastic bit of kit. A mainstream car with a V6 Engine was always going to be a winner clap

cerb4.5lee

21,002 posts

151 months

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stickleback123 said:
MC Bodge said:
I drove a friend's Sierra Sapphire in the late 90s. It must have been less than 10 years old, but was baggy and everything felt loose. Bloody awful. A Mondeo was VASTLY better.
I can remember to this day my genuine and deep felt astonishment the first time I drove a Mondeo. It was a mid spec hire car with very few miles on the clock, and it was almost impossible to believe the same company who insulted the market with the likes of the Mk5 Escort and the Sierra could make a car like this.
I'm odd because I much preferred the XR4x4 that I had in comparison to the ST24 (2000 model) that I had back in 2001. The Mondeo seemed really boring and grown up to me at the time. Almost too smooth for its own good if you know what I mean.

I did eventually really fall for the Mondeo a few years later though, and I ran a couple as sheds(a 1994 model 1.8LX and a 2000 model V6 Ghia X). I absolutely loved the 3 years I had in the V6 Ghia X, and I used it as a shed to run alongside my Cerbera(anyone who uses a TVR as their only car needs their head looking at reliability wise for me!).

Edited by cerb4.5lee on Tuesday 23 November 20:41

Numeric

991 posts

122 months

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MC Bodge said:
dontlookdown said:
Besides, my Dad had an actual Mark 2 Cavalier in the mid 80s and that was still a better car than my mate's dad's Sierra. Even though I was still too young to drive either of themsmile
My Dad had a Mk2 Cavalier 1.6. FWD was seen as a plus back then. It appeared to be about as fast as my cousin's Sierra 1.8 at the time (it was the heady days of the 80s. Did speed limits apply back then?)

I drove the MK2 a few times (on L plates) before he swapped it for a Mk3 1.6 which, although quite comfortable, gadget-laden and refined, with its unleaded engine, was very sluggish in comparison and didn't handle very well.
Very similar with me - but I got to drive the Mk2 after I got my test as well. It was a really great car and in my hazy memory had excellent steering feel as well, but a bucket of understeer could be induced in the wet. But it was predictable on narrow tyres and taught me how to slither around at lower speeds, great fun!

And the Sierra's I drove? Yuk, it was amazing how then the Mondeo came along and made the Mk3 Cavalier seem utterly dull, Ford just utterly reversed everything with the Mondeo and Focus.

biggbn

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191 months

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I had a 91 2000 glsi, absolutely great bit of kit for the time, quick, lairy handling, lively gearbox, comfy and practical. Silver over grey if I remember, smart old motor.

njw1

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82 months

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w824gb3 said:
The Sierra wasn't just a Cortina in drag. It had irs instead of a live axle. In the day the higher spec ones were much covetted. I had an 86 Cav at the time and was always proud that it's 1.6 had 90hp compared to the Ford's 75. That said the Cav was an unreliable heap that needed a new camshaft every 5 mins. I sold it and bought another Ford.
Yep, independent rear suspension on the Sierra (vs a torsion beam on the Cavalier) and the Sierra had a completely different front suspension set up to the Cortina, and better brakes, it was only engines and gearboxes that got carried over and those gearboxes had a superb shift quality, much better than anything modern imo.
I always preferred the Vauxhall engines as they were more revvy and willing but preferred the rear drive handling of the Sierra as all the Cavaliers I drove didn't seem to do handling, just lots of understeer.

832ark

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Olivera

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stickleback123 said:
MC Bodge said:
I drove a friend's Sierra Sapphire in the late 90s. It must have been less than 10 years old, but was baggy and everything felt loose. Bloody awful. A Mondeo was VASTLY better.
I can remember to this day my genuine and deep felt astonishment the first time I drove a Mondeo. It was a mid spec hire car with very few miles on the clock, and it was almost impossible to believe the same company who insulted the market with the likes of the Mk5 Escort and the Sierra could make a car like this.
The amusing thing is the 'new' 90s Fords (Focus/Mondeo) are mostly despised by Ford enthusiasts. They are worth about 6p in comparison to anything from the 80s, which are easily in the thousands/tens of thousands.

BSSBMW

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84 months

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My first RWD car at 18 in the late 90's was a Sierra 2.0iS (D400ART) which at the time i thought was the dogs as most of my mates were all pottering about in sub 1600cc fwd hatches and it was sideways at any given opportunity till it threw a rod out the block a few months later so it was replaced with a 1.6GL which was dog slow in comparison.

A few other Sierras passed through my hands in my early 20's, a 2.0i Sapphire Ghia in both pinto and DOHC, Sapphire 2.0 GLSi with the DOHC, a late 2.0 LX hatch with the carb fed DOHC and I was horrible to that car. People say the pinto was the better engine but in I found the twin cam could take some serious abuse.

After selling the late twin cam Sapphire Ghia which was a low mileage mint car I bought my first BMW E30, a 325i manual with an LSD and recaros when I was 22 that was a revelation so much so that I still own a similar spec car to this day.

cerb4.5lee

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151 months

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BSSBMW said:
After selling the late twin cam Sapphire Ghia which was a low mileage mint car I bought my first BMW E30, a 325i manual with an LSD and recaros when I was 22 that was a revelation so much so that I still own a similar spec car to this day.
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cerb4.5lee

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832ark said:
biglaugh

I felt exactly the same as you when my Dad rolled onto the drive in his 1987 Sierra 1.8LX years ago to be fair! hehe

Nu57jez9639

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My old man had a 1.6 Ghia from the front looks just the same as this left hooker model in the UK Even the L had a rear wash wipe think only the base 1.3 didn't come with 1 ,my oldmans got smacked up the arse in Leeds town centre by a council wagon car was a Wright off ,6 months or so later house phone goes a bloke on the phone has looked up our name in the phone directory and asks the old man if milege is genuine etc as it's very low for 5 or 6 years old car dad says ( milege is genuine I only do so many miles a day etc but I had the car written off earlier in the year it was a Wright mess so my insurance paid me out) chap on the phone had just bought it funnily enough few months later I see it parked outside Wakefield express offices , over the next few years it was often scene by members of the family.

hungry_hog

1,502 posts

159 months

Tuesday
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My Dad had a 1.6L as a company car...even then I didn't think it was great.

Engine was unrefined
Gear change notchy
Real poverty spec ( I guess to be expected as a humble L vs the GL / Ghia etc.) - the material on the seats was rough, no rear headrests or armrest, windy windows, manual mirrors

Later he got a Rover 214SLi and it felt like an Merc S class in comparison!