RE: 2021 Volkswagen ID.4 GTX Max | PH Review
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Oh dear, VW... oh dear, oh dear...
55k for something that is slower, shorter ranged and ergonomically poorer than the competition.
"Yeah but it's got VW on the front!"
Those days are long gone. Can't help but think rushing this to market will do more harm than good to VW.
Kia EV6, 7K Cheaper(!), quicker and more fun to drive.
Do agree with the previous comments with comparing this to the model 3, surely the model Y is the natural competition?
55k for something that is slower, shorter ranged and ergonomically poorer than the competition.
"Yeah but it's got VW on the front!"
Those days are long gone. Can't help but think rushing this to market will do more harm than good to VW.
Kia EV6, 7K Cheaper(!), quicker and more fun to drive.
Do agree with the previous comments with comparing this to the model 3, surely the model Y is the natural competition?
T1berious said:
Oh dear, VW... oh dear, oh dear...
55k for something that is slower, shorter ranged and ergonomically poorer than the competition.
"Yeah but it's got VW on the front!"
Those days are long gone. Can't help but think rushing this to market will do more harm than good to VW.
Kia EV6, 7K Cheaper(!), quicker and more fun to drive.
Do agree with the previous comments with comparing this to the model 3, surely the model Y is the natural competition?
Going out on a limb here, but VW will sell a magnitude more of these than Kia will EV6s, or Hyundai will Ioniq 5s. Current 9-12 month waiting lists for ID cars at the moment, whereas you can walk into a Hyundai dealership and have a brand new one next week. 55k for something that is slower, shorter ranged and ergonomically poorer than the competition.
"Yeah but it's got VW on the front!"
Those days are long gone. Can't help but think rushing this to market will do more harm than good to VW.
Kia EV6, 7K Cheaper(!), quicker and more fun to drive.
Do agree with the previous comments with comparing this to the model 3, surely the model Y is the natural competition?
This is not a Model 3 rival as its a complete different class of car.
However, I would take a Kia EV6 any day of the week over this. This ID4 seems massively overpriced at £55k and the interior tech is terrible and would stop be buying the car full stop having been in an ID3 recently.
What I find more mental is you can have the Audi Q4 E Tron S Line 50 with the same drive train and battery for £3k less!
However, I would take a Kia EV6 any day of the week over this. This ID4 seems massively overpriced at £55k and the interior tech is terrible and would stop be buying the car full stop having been in an ID3 recently.
What I find more mental is you can have the Audi Q4 E Tron S Line 50 with the same drive train and battery for £3k less!
Speed1283 said:
Also for how many more years must we keep having to hear things like 'batteries mounted low down to reduce centre of gravity' or equivalent. It's old news now so why repeat it in every review?
Sadly, until the PR department can come up with something useful to say to fill the press release. 'The engine is in the front to allow passengers to enter the cabin more easily'. 'The windows are at the top of the doors so the driver doesn't have to bend down to see the outside'. 'The wheels are all round to provide improved ride comfort over triangular wheels' .greggy50 said:
This is not a Model 3 rival as its a complete different class of car.
However, I would take a Kia EV6 any day of the week over this. This ID4 seems massively overpriced at £55k and the interior tech is terrible and would stop be buying the car full stop having been in an ID3 recently.
What I find more mental is you can have the Audi Q4 E Tron S Line 50 with the same drive train and battery for £3k less!
I drove the EV6 on Wednesday, the Skoda and ID4 a couple of weeks earlier. Admittedly my test drive was fairly short on the Kia (unlike the Skoda and ID4) but it didn't seem that much better than the entry spec of the VAG cars I was trying. Unfortunately VW have nobbled the battery and power of the base ID4 in the hope people will move up to the next model but combined with the withdrawal of the 2500 grant the jump in price is too great. The base ID4 and Enyaq are pretty decent value.However, I would take a Kia EV6 any day of the week over this. This ID4 seems massively overpriced at £55k and the interior tech is terrible and would stop be buying the car full stop having been in an ID3 recently.
What I find more mental is you can have the Audi Q4 E Tron S Line 50 with the same drive train and battery for £3k less!
CDP said:
greggy50 said:
This is not a Model 3 rival as its a complete different class of car.
However, I would take a Kia EV6 any day of the week over this. This ID4 seems massively overpriced at £55k and the interior tech is terrible and would stop be buying the car full stop having been in an ID3 recently.
What I find more mental is you can have the Audi Q4 E Tron S Line 50 with the same drive train and battery for £3k less!
I drove the EV6 on Wednesday, the Skoda and ID4 a couple of weeks earlier. Admittedly my test drive was fairly short on the Kia (unlike the Skoda and ID4) but it didn't seem that much better than the entry spec of the VAG cars I was trying. Unfortunately VW have nobbled the battery and power of the base ID4 in the hope people will move up to the next model but combined with the withdrawal of the 2500 grant the jump in price is too great. The base ID4 and Enyaq are pretty decent value.However, I would take a Kia EV6 any day of the week over this. This ID4 seems massively overpriced at £55k and the interior tech is terrible and would stop be buying the car full stop having been in an ID3 recently.
What I find more mental is you can have the Audi Q4 E Tron S Line 50 with the same drive train and battery for £3k less!
In fact on our car scheme the Q4 is coming out cheaper than the equivalent ID4 due to the lease costs.
greggy50 said:
The biggest issue with the none base models of the ID4 (which are cheap if you can deal with the range) is that the Q4 E Tron costs the same pretty much or in the case of the GTX is £3k less and it has a far better interior with tech that actually works.
In fact on our car scheme the Q4 is coming out cheaper than the equivalent ID4 due to the lease costs.
If it had the range and performance of the Skoda along with allowing a towbar on the base I'd have already ordered one. Indeed it was the inability to spec the towbar without spending about 7k more that stopped me. I was sitting across the desk from the dealer trying to order one at the time.In fact on our car scheme the Q4 is coming out cheaper than the equivalent ID4 due to the lease costs.
ajap1979 said:
Going out on a limb here, but VW will sell a magnitude more of these than Kia will EV6s, or Hyundai will Ioniq 5s. Current 9-12 month waiting lists for ID cars at the moment, whereas you can walk into a Hyundai dealership and have a brand new one next week.
We ordered one and it won't be here till Jan... bummer 
T1berious said:
ajap1979 said:
Going out on a limb here, but VW will sell a magnitude more of these than Kia will EV6s, or Hyundai will Ioniq 5s. Current 9-12 month waiting lists for ID cars at the moment, whereas you can walk into a Hyundai dealership and have a brand new one next week.
We ordered one and it won't be here till Jan... bummer No matter how compromised or crap it may be, it has the VW badge so will sell well.
Had a couple in recently looking at a ZOE and comparing it with an ID3, ZOE was a month wait (as we had one on order), ID3 was 8 months, she preferred the ZOE for the size and price, interior and availability, the car was mainly for her, he listed many faults and downsides with the ID3, mainly the interior, they both said they hated it, infotainment system and lack of physical buttons, plus a couple of times they had booked test drives in the ID3 and both times it was cancelled due to being in the workshop again for another update, but then he proceeded to go on about how great VW's are with a good reputation for quality and reliability, both were actually positive to me about the ZOE and he was negative about the ID3, they bought the ID3.
Had a couple in recently looking at a ZOE and comparing it with an ID3, ZOE was a month wait (as we had one on order), ID3 was 8 months, she preferred the ZOE for the size and price, interior and availability, the car was mainly for her, he listed many faults and downsides with the ID3, mainly the interior, they both said they hated it, infotainment system and lack of physical buttons, plus a couple of times they had booked test drives in the ID3 and both times it was cancelled due to being in the workshop again for another update, but then he proceeded to go on about how great VW's are with a good reputation for quality and reliability, both were actually positive to me about the ZOE and he was negative about the ID3, they bought the ID3.
Debaser said:
What are VW thinking with that awful infotainment system? I’ve been using a similar system for about six months and it still surprises me with how utterly crap it is.
Will one of the manufacturers please make a decent EV without building everything around those fecking infotainment tablet things... They're horrible, completely unnecessary and are simply built in obsolescence.By all means, make them an optional extra but I want 'proper' tactile buttons and a life that isn't permanently connected to the likes of Google, etc.
I was about to buy a Pulsar, right up until the point I took it for a test drive. The Google integration on that is more than a step too far and you can't even get a simple analogue speedo on the dash.
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