RE: All-new Range Rover Sport revealed
Discussion
This looks really good to my eyes, and I also really liked the way that the last generation looked too. I just wish that I was brave enough to gamble on their reliability though.
These are one of the few cars on the road that could be a brave pill even when they are brand new!
Even with the poor build quality and the lousy reliability record though...they still don't stop me from lusting after them, and I think that they are a very desirable car for sure.
These are one of the few cars on the road that could be a brave pill even when they are brand new!
Even with the poor build quality and the lousy reliability record though...they still don't stop me from lusting after them, and I think that they are a very desirable car for sure.
Wills2 said:
notread said:
No doubt these'll be all over the Cotswolds like a rash before too long. Black with "cherished plates". I look forward to seeing them looming in my mirror as they tailgate me through every 30 limit.
On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Dude it's just a car...On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Government must act if individuals don’t. Higher taxes on weight - the more resources you consume in making a car, the more damaging to the environment. Thus you pay for the damage you cause. Isn’t that being responsible?
We need a reset on what aspiration (if not luxury) should be. Not sure the Government can help with that, unfortunately.
I love cars as much as the next person, but we can’t stick our necks in the sand and pretend all is well before speccing our overweight vehicle every 3 years. It’s not. I admire the Alpine A110 much more than, say, a BMW M4. The former is light, focused, with a purity of purpose. The latter is overweight and too big. One leads, one follows.
Go on ahead and sneer at NotRead. I stand behind his comment.
Ps I have no kids, a 14 year old car which I have owned almost from scratch, and a 50:1 house : new car price ratio. Judge away.
Pps nice looking car ( or would be with silver wheels). Just not the sort of vehicle that appeals to me.
Edited by Ray_Aber on Wednesday 11th May 08:26
Ray_Aber said:
No it’s not. I agree wholeheartedly with NotRead’s post and it’s general points. If the population don’t take responsibility for the planet by reining in consumptive excess (or paying compensation in much more punitive taxes *) then others must do that in their stead. NotRead suggests that this responsibility lies at the feet of the manufacturers. To an extent I agree but as they (and their shareholders) are driven by profit, that’s not going to happen. They will follow, not lead. It’s like the construction sector - innately conservative.
Government must act if individuals don’t. Higher taxes on weight - the more resources you consume in making a car, the more damaging to the environment. Thus you pay for the damage you cause. Isn’t that being responsible?
We need a reset on what aspiration (if not luxury) should be. Not sure the Government can help with that, unfortunately.
I love cars as much as the next person, but we can’t stick our necks in the sand and pretend all is well before speccing our overweight vehicle every 3 years. It’s not. I admire the Alpine A110 much more than, say, a BMW M4. The former is light, focused, with a purity of purpose. The latter is overweight and too big. One leads, one follows.
Go on ahead and sneer at NotRead. I stand behind his comment.
Ps I have no kids, a 14 year old car which I have owned almost from scratch, and a 50:1 house : new car price ratio. Judge away.
Pps nice looking car ( or would be with silver wheels). Just not the sort of vehicle that appeals to me.
Your overlooking one quite big point.... the environment is a GLOBAL problem.... getting rid of a few thousand Range Rover sports in the UK is not gunna solve all your issues when places like China, USA, Russia exist. Government must act if individuals don’t. Higher taxes on weight - the more resources you consume in making a car, the more damaging to the environment. Thus you pay for the damage you cause. Isn’t that being responsible?
We need a reset on what aspiration (if not luxury) should be. Not sure the Government can help with that, unfortunately.
I love cars as much as the next person, but we can’t stick our necks in the sand and pretend all is well before speccing our overweight vehicle every 3 years. It’s not. I admire the Alpine A110 much more than, say, a BMW M4. The former is light, focused, with a purity of purpose. The latter is overweight and too big. One leads, one follows.
Go on ahead and sneer at NotRead. I stand behind his comment.
Ps I have no kids, a 14 year old car which I have owned almost from scratch, and a 50:1 house : new car price ratio. Judge away.
Pps nice looking car ( or would be with silver wheels). Just not the sort of vehicle that appeals to me.
Why would you want us a tiny country with not much contribution to the environment issue allow a government to obtain more tax and issue more regulations thrown down on a country that is already suffering.
Edited by WY86 on Wednesday 11th May 08:23
Ray_Aber said:
Wills2 said:
notread said:
No doubt these'll be all over the Cotswolds like a rash before too long. Black with "cherished plates". I look forward to seeing them looming in my mirror as they tailgate me through every 30 limit.
On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Dude it's just a car...On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Government must act if individuals don’t. Higher taxes on weight - the more resources you consume in making a car, the more damaging to the environment. Thus you pay for the damage you cause. Isn’t that being responsible?
We need a reset on what aspiration (if not luxury) should be. Not sure the Government can help with that, unfortunately.
I love cars as much as the next person, but we can’t stick our necks in the sand and pretend all is well before speccing our overweight vehicle every 3 years. It’s not. I admire the Alpine A110 much more than, say, a BMW M4. The former is light, focused, with a purity of purpose. The latter is overweight and too big. One leads, one follows.
Go on ahead and sneer at NotRead. I stand behind his comment.
Ps I have no kids, a 14 year old car which I have owned almost from scratch, and a 50:1 house : new car price ratio. Judge away.
Pps nice looking car ( or would be with silver wheels). Just not the sort of vehicle that appeals to me.
We need to take responsibility, these are not just cars, they are decisions which are deeply culturaly related,
Nobody needs a 3 ton 600 horsepower car that can wade in 1 meter of water, no matter how impressive this might be technically.
We need more rational and enjoyable solutions from car manufacturers which at the moment are almost totally missing from the market.
I’ve always shared the ‘new money’ sentiment of a new rrs on finance and never been interested in them.
But i might actually get one if these! The tax breaks of buying the PHEV through a business mean you’re getting it for half price. Especially when corp tax goes up to 25% next April.
Regardless of the image it looks lovely to my eyes. 70 miles on a charge will cover 90% of its driving. Perfect for the school run- gosh I’m falling in to every cliche going and it goes against all my morals!!
But i might actually get one if these! The tax breaks of buying the PHEV through a business mean you’re getting it for half price. Especially when corp tax goes up to 25% next April.
Regardless of the image it looks lovely to my eyes. 70 miles on a charge will cover 90% of its driving. Perfect for the school run- gosh I’m falling in to every cliche going and it goes against all my morals!!
WY86 said:
Your overlooking one quite big point.... the environment is a GLOBAL problem.... getting rid of a few thousand Range Rover sports in the UK is not gunna solve all your issues when places like China, USA, Russia exist.
Why would you want us a tiny country with not much contribution to the environment issue want even more tax and regulations thrown down on a country that is already suffering.
Why would you assume the OP is only refering to the UK?Why would you want us a tiny country with not much contribution to the environment issue want even more tax and regulations thrown down on a country that is already suffering.
WY86 said:
dt95aac said:
Why would you assume the OP is only refering to the UK?
Because he said Government and not plural referring to the UK.Does this bring woe to an individual in a suffering country? Only if you have a very skewed view on what creates hardship and suffering. Being encouraged by fiscal means to buy a lighter, smaller (less big, these days, rather than small) car that is less consumptive of the world's resources is hardly laying it on thick, nor is holding onto that car for four years, not three. Same with mobile phones. Same with everything. You won't notice the difference. Multiplied across the continent (EU emissions targets) or globe? You will. Global influence works.
I am encouraged by manufacturers moving the luxury dial away from leather to more sustainable (or less animal based) materials - either recycled, or plant based (e.g. Kenaf). This is a good sign. However, moving from a 2.3 ton ICE to a 1.8 ton one makes much more of a difference (or for BEV, from 2.6 ton to 2.1 tons).
We can all play our part without piety or self-sacrifice.
dt95aac said:
I totally agree with all the above.
We need to take responsibility, these are not just cars, they are decisions which are deeply culturaly related,
Nobody needs a 3 ton 600 horsepower car that can wade in 1 meter of water, no matter how impressive this might be technically.
We need more rational and enjoyable solutions from car manufacturers which at the moment are almost totally missing from the market.
Plenty of these options exist in the form of Ford, Kia, Suzuki, Dacia, etc etc. but Brits are badge snobs and most wouldn’t be seen dead in anything not German or a British luxury brand. We need to take responsibility, these are not just cars, they are decisions which are deeply culturaly related,
Nobody needs a 3 ton 600 horsepower car that can wade in 1 meter of water, no matter how impressive this might be technically.
We need more rational and enjoyable solutions from car manufacturers which at the moment are almost totally missing from the market.
If JLR or BMW came out with a sensible car like a Dacia or even a Ford Kuga no one would buy it.
Ray_Aber said:
Fair point. It is a global issue - but we can only immediately influence what's around us, and by that, I mean the UK. Global influence comes later. We are the 16th biggest global polluter in CO2 terms. We have to do what we can. In so doing, we can influence other countries. Lead, not follow.
Does this bring woe to an individual in a suffering country? Only if you have a very skewed view on what creates hardship and suffering. Being encouraged by fiscal means to buy a lighter, smaller (less big, these days, rather than small) car that is less consumptive of the world's resources is hardly laying it on thick, nor is holding onto that car for four years, not three. Same with mobile phones. Same with everything. You won't notice the difference. Multiplied across the continent (EU emissions targets) or globe? You will. Global influence works.
I am encouraged by manufacturers moving the luxury dial away from leather to more sustainable (or less animal based) materials - either recycled, or plant based (e.g. Kenaf). This is a good sign. However, moving from a 2.3 ton ICE to a 1.8 ton one makes much more of a difference (or for BEV, from 2.6 ton to 2.1 tons).
We can all play our part without piety or self-sacrifice.
So what is worse someone who owns 1 range rover sport or someone who owns 1 estate car and 1 sports/ fun car? Does this bring woe to an individual in a suffering country? Only if you have a very skewed view on what creates hardship and suffering. Being encouraged by fiscal means to buy a lighter, smaller (less big, these days, rather than small) car that is less consumptive of the world's resources is hardly laying it on thick, nor is holding onto that car for four years, not three. Same with mobile phones. Same with everything. You won't notice the difference. Multiplied across the continent (EU emissions targets) or globe? You will. Global influence works.
I am encouraged by manufacturers moving the luxury dial away from leather to more sustainable (or less animal based) materials - either recycled, or plant based (e.g. Kenaf). This is a good sign. However, moving from a 2.3 ton ICE to a 1.8 ton one makes much more of a difference (or for BEV, from 2.6 ton to 2.1 tons).
We can all play our part without piety or self-sacrifice.
the thing that attracts me to an SUV is it does so many things, be it long drives, going to the tip or going to Costco. I would also think it is a dangerous game your playing wanting the government to get tighter on emissions and pollution because say once the big evil SUV'S are gone, they will look at maybe old cars which do not have OPF filters or other such emission containing devices fitted. They could also look at big powerful estate cars/super cars/grand tourers.
and once they get rid of ICE cars they will then move on to looking at EV's and guess what there will be a problem with them that was unforeseen at the time of adoption...
Ray_Aber said:
Wills2 said:
notread said:
No doubt these'll be all over the Cotswolds like a rash before too long. Black with "cherished plates". I look forward to seeing them looming in my mirror as they tailgate me through every 30 limit.
On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Dude it's just a car...On a serious note, the lack of design ambition and relevance is depressing. Land Rover are not alone in this, but as a pedlar of essentially oversized, supposedly luxury vehicles, they're certainly part of the problem.
Manufacturers and designers - especially "premium" brands - don't just pander to customer demand, they actively create that demand. They define what's aspirational and influence customer behaviour. It's high time they recognised that responsibility and "nudged" people toward better choices.
It's within the capability of the automotive industry to make a virtue of efficient packaging, lighter weight, smaller wheels and tyres, lower-drag etc. Designers need to redefine luxury, creating beauty through simplicity and intelligent, honest use of sustainable materials. And they need to do it quickly, because the sh*t is hitting the fan now, not 20 years in the future.
Instead, the auto industry seems intent on perpetuating the idea that luxury = BIG, with dozens of different materials, processes and surface finishes, few of which serve any practical purpose and most of which are expensive (in terms of money, resources and energy) to produce and difficult or impossible to resuse or recycle.
We, and our kids, deserve better.
Government must act if individuals don’t. Higher taxes on weight - the more resources you consume in making a car, the more damaging to the environment. Thus you pay for the damage you cause. Isn’t that being responsible?
We need a reset on what aspiration (if not luxury) should be. Not sure the Government can help with that, unfortunately.
I love cars as much as the next person, but we can’t stick our necks in the sand and pretend all is well before speccing our overweight vehicle every 3 years. It’s not. I admire the Alpine A110 much more than, say, a BMW M4. The former is light, focused, with a purity of purpose. The latter is overweight and too big. One leads, one follows.
Go on ahead and sneer at NotRead. I stand behind his comment.
Ps I have no kids, a 14 year old car which I have owned almost from scratch, and a 50:1 house : new car price ratio. Judge away.
Pps nice looking car ( or would be with silver wheels). Just not the sort of vehicle that appeals to me.
Edited by Ray_Aber on Wednesday 11th May 08:26
griffsomething said:
originals said:
Prefer that to the FFRR.
Just don't spec it in black/black wheels.
99% will be sadly. I live in Cheshire and it seems like every other car you see is a black leather, black paint Range Rover. Just don't spec it in black/black wheels.
Lovely cars to ride about in but wish the owners would have a little more imagination when choosing colours.
Looking at the colour options its not exactly mind blowing. One red, one blue and a nice green but the rest are black or grey.
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