RE: 2022 Cupra Born VZ3 | PH Review
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Ahonen said:
NGK210 said:
Very witty, if it was called the Nacido in Spanish-speaking markets and, in turn, the UK version was a direct translation.
But the car is named after El Born, which is a district in Barcelona
Ah, so it's effectively the Seat Shoreditch. Seat Nacido would arguably be a better sounding name - or rather it wouldn't be any worse than their regular dismal 'Hola! Look how Spanish we are!' naming strategy.But the car is named after El Born, which is a district in Barcelona
Yes, very dismal, as is naming a car Oxford, Cambridge, Westminster, Somerset, Yukon, Portifino or Roma.
D4rez said:
Missy Charm said:
Nah. The coming of economic Armageddon will derail all this green nonsense, it's already happening in some places. The future looks a lot like the past: ultra modern cars will expire naturally and old ones that can be fixed will become increasingly expensive. The anti-green movement will be the next Brexit and pressure will be put on legislators to revoke low emission zones and so on.
Battery operated cars were nothing more than a flash in the pan when they were first tried; they will be again.
Sure, nice movie scriptBattery operated cars were nothing more than a flash in the pan when they were first tried; they will be again.
Conspiracy theory? It would be, it they hadn't written books on it. Klaus Schwab has one out.
The same Klaus Schwab who is currently holding the WEF conference in Davos.
The same Klaus Schwab who keeps saying that by 2030 You (By that he means us plebs) will own nothing and be happy.
How do people own nothing? make a cost of living crisis, where people can't afford to live. If you can't pay your mortgage, you won't own your home. But you'll be happy.
Turn off the TV and start researching what `The Great reset`, the `4th industrial revolution`, the `The Green new deal`, `Net Zero` and `New world order` is really all about. Once you research it, everything that is happening makes sense.
But again. Anyone mentioning any one of them above, get's called a dangerous conspiracy theorist, and are then rounded on. Carry on !
Oh, and `Net Zero` basically means far less humans on the planet. There is a Youtube clip (probably deleted) where Bill Gates laughs while talking about `Net zero` then goes on to mention that with vaccines, we can reduce the worlds population by 10-15%. But .... even though the words came out of his mouth, on camera. It's still just a conspiracy theory.
I like them. I love a great petrol car, but the refinement of an EV on a long journey is great and the immediate response to the not-a-throttle is pretty addictive.
I'm hoping to get a Model Y though (yes!) a company salary sacrifice scheme when it opens next month, but will have to see what the numbers look like.
Having driven a Y a couple of times, although it's pig ugly, I found it a lot of fun and it's extremely practical.
Honestly, they're just cars. They're different for sure, but they're still cars. Saying "this EV is dull to drive, therefore all EVs are dull/crap" makes just as much sense as comparing a Renault 1.5 diesel to a 335d. You can certainly say you prefer petrol engines to diesel, and that's valid, but you can't tar all cars with the same brush purely because of their propulsion.
And as for the conspiracy theorists, I'm afraid there's an entire industry out there dedicated to tapping into the market for people looking to prove the rest of the world wrong, and they exist only to milk money out of you. Clicks and views = profit, and if you can get a couple of million of highly engaged people who lap up your content around the globe when that content costs you next to nothing to produce then you are literally printing money by keeping them enraged/engaged.
I'm hoping to get a Model Y though (yes!) a company salary sacrifice scheme when it opens next month, but will have to see what the numbers look like.
Having driven a Y a couple of times, although it's pig ugly, I found it a lot of fun and it's extremely practical.
Honestly, they're just cars. They're different for sure, but they're still cars. Saying "this EV is dull to drive, therefore all EVs are dull/crap" makes just as much sense as comparing a Renault 1.5 diesel to a 335d. You can certainly say you prefer petrol engines to diesel, and that's valid, but you can't tar all cars with the same brush purely because of their propulsion.
And as for the conspiracy theorists, I'm afraid there's an entire industry out there dedicated to tapping into the market for people looking to prove the rest of the world wrong, and they exist only to milk money out of you. Clicks and views = profit, and if you can get a couple of million of highly engaged people who lap up your content around the globe when that content costs you next to nothing to produce then you are literally printing money by keeping them enraged/engaged.
schaeffs said:
- For those that are talking I3s v this - please go and drive them both. I have and its not even close. The I3 unfortunately feels last EV gen.
what?The i3 has a carbon chassis, is quicker to accelerate, consumes less energy per mile driven, and in my (quite extensive) experience is a far better drivers car thanks to weighing 373kg less (that's a lot btw) and having a lower CofG (that carbon tub) and having a chassis set up that is entertaining, dynamic and actually encorages you to throw and drift it around.
If anything the i3 still feels like a "next gen" passenger car to me despite being very nearly 10 years old now ;-)
Max_Torque said:
schaeffs said:
- For those that are talking I3s v this - please go and drive them both. I have and its not even close. The I3 unfortunately feels last EV gen.
what?The i3 has a carbon chassis, is quicker to accelerate, consumes less energy per mile driven, and in my (quite extensive) experience is a far better drivers car thanks to weighing 373kg less (that's a lot btw) and having a lower CofG (that carbon tub) and having a chassis set up that is entertaining, dynamic and actually encorages you to throw and drift it around.
If anything the i3 [b] still [/b[ feels like a "next gen" passenger car to me depsite being very nearly 10 years old
Welshbeef said:
cobra kid said:
40k for 99mph?
You don't need much more than that in the real world, but still.......
Given that’s 41% above the highest legal speed in the UK what relevance does it have?You don't need much more than that in the real world, but still.......
If it gets to 70mph in say 3 seconds that would be a mighty weapon and force any ICE to be deep into ban territory to pass
TX.
Terminator X said:
Welshbeef said:
cobra kid said:
40k for 99mph?
You don't need much more than that in the real world, but still.......
Given that’s 41% above the highest legal speed in the UK what relevance does it have?You don't need much more than that in the real world, but still.......
If it gets to 70mph in say 3 seconds that would be a mighty weapon and force any ICE to be deep into ban territory to pass
TX.
Am I going to buy this? No. Perfectly happy with my C63.
I don't really mind EV drivetrains, they don't interest me but I don't hate them. What I do hate is the idea car makers have in their heads that EV's need to be these clumsy looking overdesigned slabs that have to 'look like an electric car'. Why does being an EVN mean all these cars like the ID4 and whatever this is need to look like an original A Class? EV or not, new cars are of absolutely no interest to me.
aaron_2000 said:
I don't really mind EV drivetrains, they don't interest me but I don't hate them. What I do hate is the idea car makers have in their heads that EV's need to be these clumsy looking overdesigned slabs that have to 'look like an electric car'. Why does being an EVN mean all these cars like the ID4 and whatever this is need to look like an original A Class? EV or not, new cars are of absolutely no interest to me.
Stuck between a rock and a hard place aren't they. Some people demand they look different, some people would rather they looked like "normal" cars. The result is design by committee, which is never a good thing. There are many exceptions though, Polestar 2, Taycan, e-tron GT, Honda e all look great, but as ever, it's purely subjective.aaron_2000 said:
I don't really mind EV drivetrains, they don't interest me but I don't hate them. What I do hate is the idea car makers have in their heads that EV's need to be these clumsy looking overdesigned slabs that have to 'look like an electric car'. Why does being an EVN mean all these cars like the ID4 and whatever this is need to look like an original A Class? EV or not, new cars are of absolutely no interest to me.
Because the batteries are massive and weight a f
k tonne. They’ve not got much choice if they want the cars to be “affordable”.Also someone said ICE will be priced off the road. What happens when people aren’t paying billions in tax for petrol and a large hole appears in the Government balance sheet?
Miserablegit said:
And that would be a perfectly valid response.
Those I know who drive Teslas say they do so purely for the “No-brainier” tax breaks.
My daily driver for the last 2 years has been a Model 3 LR....because of the company car tax breaks. Those I know who drive Teslas say they do so purely for the “No-brainier” tax breaks.
I'm retiring in a few months....and have just ordered a Model 3 LR paid for with my own hard earned cash.
Why? It's an easy car to live with, pleasant enough to drive long distances, cheap as chips to run - fuel (we have a 4kWh solar array) and no servicing to speak of....and I quite like it.
Several other folks I know also run non-company car EV's, so it does happen.
Edited by WhyOne on Wednesday 25th May 15:10
WhyOne said:
Miserablegit said:
And that would be a perfectly valid response.
Those I know who drive Teslas say they do so purely for the “No-brainier” tax breaks.
My daily driver for the last 2 years has been a Model 3 LR....because of the company car tax breaks. Those I know who drive Teslas say they do so purely for the “No-brainier” tax breaks.
I'm retiring in a few months....and have just ordered a Model 3 LR paid for with my own hard earned cash.
Why? It's an easy car to live with, pleasant enough to drive long distances, cheap as chips to run - fuel (we have a 4kWh solar array) and no servicing to speak of....and I quite like it.
Several other folks I know also run non-company car EV's, so it does happen.
Edited by WhyOne on Wednesday 25th May 15:10
Welshbeef said:
WhyOne said:
Miserablegit said:
And that would be a perfectly valid response.
Those I know who drive Teslas say they do so purely for the “No-brainier” tax breaks.
My daily driver for the last 2 years has been a Model 3 LR....because of the company car tax breaks. Those I know who drive Teslas say they do so purely for the “No-brainier” tax breaks.
I'm retiring in a few months....and have just ordered a Model 3 LR paid for with my own hard earned cash.
Why? It's an easy car to live with, pleasant enough to drive long distances, cheap as chips to run - fuel (we have a 4kWh solar array) and no servicing to speak of....and I quite like it.
Several other folks I know also run non-company car EV's, so it does happen.
Edited by WhyOne on Wednesday 25th May 15:10
This was plan 'a'
The lease company (Lex) want £4k more for my 2 year old, 12k mile M3 than Tesla want for a brand new one.
Go figure.
Harrison Bergeron said:
Because the batteries are massive and weight a fk tonne. They’ve not got much choice if they want the cars to be “affordable”.
Also someone said ICE will be priced off the road. What happens when people aren’t paying billions in tax for petrol and a large hole appears in the Government balance sheet?
The greater likelihood is that battery cars will be priced off the road. A relatively significant fraction of an electric car's purchase price is raw materials, which is a cost that cannot be reduced. The bottom line is that a battery needs a specific quantity of lithium or cobalt or whatever in it to work effectively; no lithium no battery, if you will, so it has to be bought. Raw materials are getting more expensive, computer chips are getting more expensive and inflation is relatively high. k tonne. They’ve not got much choice if they want the cars to be “affordable”.Also someone said ICE will be priced off the road. What happens when people aren’t paying billions in tax for petrol and a large hole appears in the Government balance sheet?
Todays £40,000 electric car might be £45,000 next year and £50,000 the year after that. We're talking quite serious money here for the equivalent of an average family hatchback. In the past that would have been ameliorated by a surfeit of cheap credit, but the economic points already alluded to are also causing lenders to draw their horns in. Interest rates are likely to rise, after all.
Petrol cars can be made cheaper. Regulations can be relaxed, safety and emissions controls equipment can be stripped out; making something like an old Mini is cheap. Electric cars can be made cheaper up to a point, but beyond that savings become incredibly hard to make; the batteries are expensive and they can't be made out of anything else. They may be left high and dry as a result.
Harrison Bergeron said:
Because the batteries are massive and weight a fk tonne. They’ve not got much choice if they want the cars to be “affordable”.
Also someone said ICE will be priced off the road. What happens when people aren’t paying billions in tax for petrol and a large hole appears in the Government balance sheet?
What do you think happens? Road pricing pence per mile charge k tonne. They’ve not got much choice if they want the cars to be “affordable”.Also someone said ICE will be priced off the road. What happens when people aren’t paying billions in tax for petrol and a large hole appears in the Government balance sheet?
Why do you suppose we’re getting all of these smart motorways and APNR being installed everywhere.
Missy Charm said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Because the batteries are massive and weight a fk tonne. They’ve not got much choice if they want the cars to be “affordable”.
Also someone said ICE will be priced off the road. What happens when people aren’t paying billions in tax for petrol and a large hole appears in the Government balance sheet?
The greater likelihood is that battery cars will be priced off the road. A relatively significant fraction of an electric car's purchase price is raw materials, which is a cost that cannot be reduced. The bottom line is that a battery needs a specific quantity of lithium or cobalt or whatever in it to work effectively; no lithium no battery, if you will, so it has to be bought. Raw materials are getting more expensive, computer chips are getting more expensive and inflation is relatively high. k tonne. They’ve not got much choice if they want the cars to be “affordable”.Also someone said ICE will be priced off the road. What happens when people aren’t paying billions in tax for petrol and a large hole appears in the Government balance sheet?
Todays 40,000 electric car might be 45,000 next year and 50,000 the year after that. We're talking quite serious money here for the equivalent of an average family hatchback. In the past that would have been ameliorated by a surfeit of cheap credit, but the economic points already alluded to are also causing lenders to draw their horns in. Interest rates are likely to rise, after all.
Petrol cars can be made cheaper. Regulations can be relaxed, safety and emissions controls equipment can be stripped out; making something like an old Mini is cheap. Electric cars can be made cheaper up to a point, but beyond that savings become incredibly hard to make; the batteries are expensive and they can't be made out of anything else. They may be left high and dry as a result.
So unless that changes forget about it.
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