RE: New Prodrive P25 reimagines Impreza 22B
Discussion
A got a 2.5 dropped into my type r. It had all the internals updated and balanced. Was like a rocket and that only had 350 bhp. I rebuilt the original turbo, so was quite small for the engine, so it didn’t make huge power but had no lag. So 400 in the pro drive car will be epic!!
Main issue with getting 400 bhp with the standard car is cooling and gear box. A later spec C intercooker could be used to avoid a front mount. But the 5speed box doesn’t like big torque. Better with a standard 6 speed but using the shorter gear ratios.
The rally cars had a magnesium front revserve inlet manifold for the front mounted inter cooler.
Main issue with getting 400 bhp with the standard car is cooling and gear box. A later spec C intercooker could be used to avoid a front mount. But the 5speed box doesn’t like big torque. Better with a standard 6 speed but using the shorter gear ratios.
The rally cars had a magnesium front revserve inlet manifold for the front mounted inter cooler.
Edited by Mr Fix It on Wednesday 25th May 15:05
epom said:
22B still the car I want most. Can't afford this one or the original.
I've not driven a 22B but know someone who owned one and sold it for under £30k (ouch) and I'd suggest if you want 95% of what a 22B offers for much less money the sti5/6 generation of cars are absolutely phenomenal.Great thing about them is that you can just about drive them and not really worry too much if they go pop or get dinged.
A 22B on the other hand!
borat52 said:
I've not driven a 22B but know someone who owned one and sold it for under 30k (ouch) and I'd suggest if you want 95% of what a 22B offers for much less money the sti5/6 generation of cars are absolutely phenomenal.
Great thing about them is that you can just about drive them and not really worry too much if they go pop or get dinged.
A 22B on the other hand!
I had a V3 STI wagon and found it too cammy, it was running a V4 STI engine though. It had a set of Technomagnesio Monaco wheels that I absolutely loved but could never find another set. I always really wanted a V5/6 STI wagon, I missed out on one a couple of years ago. that would've been perfect. My uncle had a V5 Type R with an engine built by RCM, that was a phenomenal car. Great thing about them is that you can just about drive them and not really worry too much if they go pop or get dinged.
A 22B on the other hand!
Edited by aaron_2000 on Wednesday 25th May 15:38
I’m surprised Prodrive are referencing the 22B so heavily. That was an STi Japan creation wasn’t it? I owned #095/400 as below (bought for £20,500, sold for £21,000). Prodrive reworked a few for the Type UK version (eg. longer gearing, driving lamps), but their main road car creation was the later P1. I would expect Prodrive to be making comparisons with their own ‘97 on WRC cars.
i owned #301 for 7 years, and am looking at this with interest.
A few observations; the original car was built from version 4 STI's that were taken off the production line, and then modified. It required around 150 changes to turn a v4 into a 22B. This included things like double seam-welded chassis, bespoke guards, engine, etc.
An actual 22B, with manufacturer backed provenance can be bought these days for anywhere from £100k-£200k. For my part (not that that's worth anything), I don't see the logic in buying a tuner car with zero manufacturer provenance for anywhere near the price of a genuine 22B. It is, literally, a replica.
I know what Singer does with Porsches. I still haven't come to terms with that though. If these are available at a reasonable price, sure, I'll buy one. But if they're asking telephone numbers for it, no thanks.
A few observations; the original car was built from version 4 STI's that were taken off the production line, and then modified. It required around 150 changes to turn a v4 into a 22B. This included things like double seam-welded chassis, bespoke guards, engine, etc.
An actual 22B, with manufacturer backed provenance can be bought these days for anywhere from £100k-£200k. For my part (not that that's worth anything), I don't see the logic in buying a tuner car with zero manufacturer provenance for anywhere near the price of a genuine 22B. It is, literally, a replica.
I know what Singer does with Porsches. I still haven't come to terms with that though. If these are available at a reasonable price, sure, I'll buy one. But if they're asking telephone numbers for it, no thanks.
LotusOmega375D said:
I’m surprised Prodrive are referencing the 22B so heavily. That was an STi Japan creation wasn’t it? I owned #095/400 as below (bought for 20,500, sold for 21,000). Prodrive reworked a few for the Type UK version (eg. longer gearing, driving lamps), but their main road car creation was the later P1. I would expect Prodrive to be making comparisons with their own ‘97 on WRC cars.
22B is an icon, but it was far from the best roadgoing iteration. The Prodrive developed P1 was certainly better resolved from a suspension perspective.No doubt Prodrive have seen the eye- watering prices the 22B has been fetching over the past 12 months, and thought they fancy a slice of the action...
However, I have to agree 2.5 litres and paddleshift transmission doesn’t sound the best start point ...
Edited by Slippydiff on Wednesday 25th May 16:08
I think it's fantastic news. It's incredible to think a 25 year old car as iconic as a 2 door Impreza is going to be rebuilt, improved and sold by a professional rally and race company as a brand new car.
This really is a moment to enjoy as any car enthusiast, but especially those that enjoy fast Japanese modified cars!
I very much doubt any other car manufacturer will produce anything like this in our hybrid / full electric future.
So what do we know so far and what can we guess?
It's 2.5 litre, but is it the older 2.5 EJ257 or a modified 2.4 FA24F?
In excess of 400bhp, so a bigger turbo than OEM fitted before.
Surely they'll fit a front mount intercooler this time otherwise cooling will be an issue?
Six speed semi-auto gearbox, must be aftermarket as Subaru have moved to CVTs. Quaife with DCCD maybe?
Lightweight chassis, due to extensive use of carbon fibre. Definitely roof, bonnet, wings/arches, boot, door mirrors. Bumpers? Doors?
Door mirrors look like S201 shape, however most people prefer the WRC shape.
No roof scoop.
Adjustable rear spoiler like the 22B, but surely much larger and aero efficient.
Bonnet vents much larger WRC shaped. But on a road car bonnet vents get blocked off to stop the engine electrics getting wet.
The front bumper looks like a 22B with the optional spotlights. The grill design hasn't copied the WRC bumper design though?
Oversized Prodrive P1 OZ style alloy wheels. Likely 18" as any larger will be too heavy. Which company has made them this time?
AP Racing front brakes shown. 6 pot calipers with 365mm or larger steel disks? Carbon would be an extreme choice by them!
AP Racing rear brakes too?
What about ABS brakes?
Surely 5x114.3 hubs with the larger bearings and stronger driveshafts must have been chosen?
Coilovers for handling, adjustability and lows. KW? AST? Bilstein? I think Ohlins.
A full, partially stripped or fully stripped interior? Likely Recaro seats, maybe a half cage and harnesses?
Optional fire safety equipment?
Alistair
This really is a moment to enjoy as any car enthusiast, but especially those that enjoy fast Japanese modified cars!
I very much doubt any other car manufacturer will produce anything like this in our hybrid / full electric future.
So what do we know so far and what can we guess?
It's 2.5 litre, but is it the older 2.5 EJ257 or a modified 2.4 FA24F?
In excess of 400bhp, so a bigger turbo than OEM fitted before.
Surely they'll fit a front mount intercooler this time otherwise cooling will be an issue?
Six speed semi-auto gearbox, must be aftermarket as Subaru have moved to CVTs. Quaife with DCCD maybe?
Lightweight chassis, due to extensive use of carbon fibre. Definitely roof, bonnet, wings/arches, boot, door mirrors. Bumpers? Doors?
Door mirrors look like S201 shape, however most people prefer the WRC shape.
No roof scoop.
Adjustable rear spoiler like the 22B, but surely much larger and aero efficient.
Bonnet vents much larger WRC shaped. But on a road car bonnet vents get blocked off to stop the engine electrics getting wet.
The front bumper looks like a 22B with the optional spotlights. The grill design hasn't copied the WRC bumper design though?
Oversized Prodrive P1 OZ style alloy wheels. Likely 18" as any larger will be too heavy. Which company has made them this time?
AP Racing front brakes shown. 6 pot calipers with 365mm or larger steel disks? Carbon would be an extreme choice by them!
AP Racing rear brakes too?
What about ABS brakes?
Surely 5x114.3 hubs with the larger bearings and stronger driveshafts must have been chosen?
Coilovers for handling, adjustability and lows. KW? AST? Bilstein? I think Ohlins.
A full, partially stripped or fully stripped interior? Likely Recaro seats, maybe a half cage and harnesses?
Optional fire safety equipment?
Alistair
Edited by FastJapCars on Wednesday 25th May 17:43
footsoldier said:
Macboy said:
I'm fairly disappointed they haven't taken the tried and tested formula of every recent recreation/restomod/caricature and immediately given it a 500,000 price tag. Obviously that'll have to be with the in-build pictures and press release number two.
they have...
sharkattack said:
I know 2 things with absolute certainty.
1. I love it and I want one more than anything
2. I can't afford it and will never, ever see one in the flesh
1) Agreed it’s really cool. 2) I don’t see why you won’t see one, the owners are likely to take them to car shows. I’ve seen the Lancia equivalent, the Futurista, at a show, and that’s very rare. They’ll be on show 👍1. I love it and I want one more than anything
2. I can't afford it and will never, ever see one in the flesh
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